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Looking to Downgrade From Hetzner | OVH Kimsufi/Eco Range Experiences?
Hello LET People, hope y'all are doing well.
I wasn't sure whether to put this in requests or help, as I won't be moving for a month or 2, but I wanted to start looking around and had questions, so sorry if it's meant to be in help cat.
I currently have a dedi with Hetzner, which I'm currently paying 86$/month (including VAT) for and with the "3%" price increase (it was not 3%) its not really viable anymore, so I am planning on downgrading.
My current specs are
Ryzen 9 3900 3.1-4.3 Ghz 12c 24t
128GB DDR4 @ 2666 MHz
2x 1.92Tb Samsung SSD PM9A3 (Datacenter Nvme)
1G/Unmetered
Main use cases are a few game servers (Mainly Minecraft), along with a few basic websites/applications (it's gone hella underutilised)
I was wondering what people's experiences have been with the OVH Kimsufi/Eco ranges. Am I right in thinking they are stable/decent quality? Also, how rare are the mystery/bonuses people get? (not banking on it, just curious cuz i always see people mention them)
Since I'm already shopping around, what do you all have to offer? Based on the current OVH range, I'm probably looking to spend somewhere around $160–240/year (I am very open to locking in for longer periods).
I'm fully aware I won't get anything close to my current server at that price point, but ideally I'd be looking for:
Clock speed > Core amount (e.g., 3.7-3.9GHz 4C 8T > 2-2.6GHz 8C 16T)
32Gb Ram
250-500Gb SSD
At least 1TB Bandwidth
No NAT, Mail ports are fine blocked
Location: US or EU Only
It doesn't necessarily have to be a Dedi. I am open to VDS/VPS if the specs and price are good enough.
Thank you all for reading.
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While i have not used Kimsufi i can pretty much tell you blind that if go for one of the E5v2s (these are seemingly all you get in the $160-200 range and i doubt there's too many hosts that would match that) it will be way more than a slight downgrade. Even the E5v4s regularly don't really have exactly stellar single core performance, v3 or v2... All the clockrate in the world isn't going to fix that.
Edit: The E3v6s (the v5 just doesn't make sense) and E5-1650v4 (higher multicore in comparison to the E3s) aren't all bad but also slightly to notable above your projected budget. To be fair if you absolutely have to cheap out the 1650v2 is pretty much as good as a v2 E5 gets.
As long as the CPU performance of the one you pick is suitable for your workload you'll be happy with it. The Eco line hardware is reliable, I've had some running for many years, they mostly have datacenter model drives too. Support is the same now for Eco unlike the old Kimsufi days, especially if you use the US branch, you can always talk to a real person who doesn't use canned replies and talks like a normal person which unfortunately can be harder to find now days.
Ye ur right, I don't need a ton of CPU power. I was gonna up the budget to the cost of the V6's, but idk if it'll be that important. My concern is probably the RAM, but i think 32 should cover it + It hopefully prevents people from offering overshared potato xeon VPSs as thats something that probably wont be too great for me
Is there a big difference in support between the US and EU sides of OVH? While I will rarely need support sometimes things just happen.
100% agree. He lists Minecraft, which from my experience is notoriously single core hungry, though. That's why i think it's not the worst idea to maybe not go for the 100% cheapest option. The 1620v2 would be a ~35% singlecore and about ~83% multicore downgrade, the 1650v2 still ~23% single and ~70% multi. The others are at least a little closer even if it obviously doesn't come anywhere close to the multicore performance of the Ryzen.
Edit: Personally i feel 1270v6 is probably the best bang for the buck. I would be tempted by the 1650v4 and it's 2 extra cores but 20% more multicore and even slightly less singlecore for 5€/m extra seems dubious.
I just know the US branch is their own company and runs a bit different than, err, "OVH global". The support in general is fine, especially for the low cost. I'd say not as good as Hetnzer though.
All you get for locking in yearly contracts is free setup with OVH. For ECO, there is no option to lock in for a year. If you are US based, then Eco sucks because you have to pay setup fee on every ECO server.
Does that change once u make an account on the us site when I checked on the us site without signing in it said it had free setup and 5% off with the 1 year?
Have u had todo any sort of billing support with them? as my experience with hetzner on that part was pretty poor, server has been great though
Ye it usually is but most of the cpu heavy stuff has been optimised or already done with most of the stuff jus being occasional spikes I jus didn’t think it’s be wise to go for a lower clock speed I’m not too well versed in hosting stuff tbh
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=3575&cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+3900
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-1620+v2+@+3.70GHz&id=2047
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-1650+v2+@+3.50GHz&id=2066
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E3-1230+v6+@+3.50GHz&id=3032
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E3-1270+v6+@+3.80GHz&id=3014
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-1650+v4+@+3.60GHz&id=2838
My calculation above for the 1620 is wrong, sorry. I was looking at v1 not v2 but overall i'd still prefer the 1270v6.
Edit: Sent from an aging 1620v4 (my energy supplier loves me...)
I see it now, yeah US requires an upfront payment.
KS-5 seems to be best for you.
This doesn't seem to be the case of the US branch anymore, at least when it comes to sales. A few years ago it was like you described. They even emailed me a few times offering to wave setup fees of the eco line when I never checked out.
But I had to email them a couple of weeks ago because for whatever reason the US branch has an issue with ordering cPanel licenses. The sales team seemed to have no idea what cPanel was, and kept linking me to the VPS order form. Had to do a wacky workaround with the API
As for the OP, I've been using over for 15+ years at this point and never had a big issue (aside from that one Christmas day fiber cut a decade ago). When there is a hardware problem, I've never waited more than an hour or two for replacement gear, and the two times I've had a hardware failure they fixed it without me needing to open a ticket.
Oh, just for comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+D-1540+@+2.00GHz&id=2507 You aren't far off with the lower clock speeds. On those oldish CPUs you quickly get below 2000 points with the 100 cores at 2.x Ghz models and that's even in my oldschool Xeon loving opinion: Pretty much ass.
Brotha don't order a software license from a server company.
Ordinarily I wouldn't, but when that license is for personal use and is about 30% cheaper than going direct, it's worth it. The same flow with the website order form and API works on all the other branches correctly, just not the US one, it just doesn't seem like it's actually possible to report the issue to anyone
Would this dedi fit your requirements?
Intel Xeon E3-1265Lv3
RAM: 32 GB DDR3
Disks: 240 GB SSD
Traffic: Unmetered @ 1Gbit
1 IPv4
$39/mo
No offense but this is a really pointless offer. The only thing it has going for it is the Gbit uplink and 120GB more disk. The CPU has the performance of about (even slightly less) the 12€ OVH box at ~3x the price... Why would OP need that when he's trying to go cheap?
No idea why you recommend E5v4 or the like, I would rather look at this:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3584vs3563vs3546/Intel-Xeon-E-2274G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-PRO-3900-vs-Intel-Xeon-E-2288G
and settle for a KS-5-A ($32 at OVH CA plus one-time setup of $32) or a SYS-3 ($46.5 currently without setup fee but unfortunately oos atm for the 32GB RAM, 2x960 GB NVMe version) as op is looking for high single core cpu speed.
They may not hit the price point within $240/year but are a lot less than the current $86/month with better cpu speed.
Regarding support: hardware support is superb at both Hetzner and OVH. Other support is non-existent at both comps.
Only thing you would need to know: do you need game-server like ddos protection? If yes, you would have to look into the game models at OVH that are a bit more expensive than the ones I mentioned above.
Well...
You basically answer it yourself (+ OP originally started with $200 max). Besides the E-2274G is only marginally faster than the E3-1270v6. I don't really see how it would justify ~30% price increase. The E-2288G is obviously more noticeable but also double the price and still only ~16% more single core than the 1270.
Sure, the 2288G will do more but it probably depends a lot on how many of those Minecraft servers OP wants to run for it to make much of a difference. I get your point about the bigger boxes still being way cheaper though and i'm also a little scared by the a few wording in relation to Minecraft.
Yes, the E3-1270v6 is a much better choice than any E5 offered by OVH.
So if you want it really cheap, hunting for a KS-LE-B NVMe would be the best option.
Hey @Hayzee,
You said clock speed > core count, and for Minecraft + web that's the right call. Our RYZEN 16G (DDR5) in Eygelshoven, NL runs on AMD Ryzen 9950X (5.7 GHz boost):
Order for 12 months and you save another 10% (~184€/yr ≈ $200), 24 months saves 15%. Both fit your $160-240/yr range.
Honest tradeoff: you asked for 32 GB - bumping to 32 GB pushes the monthly into the high 20s€, outside your target. If 16 GB DDR5 + the 9950X clock speed works for your Minecraft + web use, this lands well in budget.
Order: skri.me/ryzen9950X
Looking Glass: skrime.eu/network / AS215365
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions so far
Thank you for the benchmarks, I'm surprised the low Xeons aren't too far off lmao
It has been something I had been considering; it's a little bit higher than the budget but it's pretty nice for what I need.
I appreciate you reaching out, but at that price point, the French win as that's more than most of their Kimsufi range, and they do offer more. The only upside would be 1G, which isn't entirely needed in my case.
Thank you for reaching out. I'll keep this offer in mind
I think I saw them on sale before, but didn't really look into them. If I'm interested in it, ig ill have to find someone to transfer, but other than that, thank you for the suggestion
As a sidenote, I probably should have included in the main post about the Minecraft servers, they are essentially going into a keep-alive/legacy mode, the majority of the world has been generated, and there's nothing too crazy going on, just vanilla with a few plugins with a few players and the entire machine hasn't gone over 5% cpu util in months
I didn't want to end up getting an overshared ancient Xeon, as that would probably go bad. My main concerns are ram and storage, as worlds can get a bit big storage-wise, and the server can eat ram up a bit sometimes (Based on my container stats, it averages around 17 GB Ram, I can probably get that lower (hopefully)).
5% of 12C/24T is about 1 thread or half a core though. I know, it doesn't really work like that and you'll probably be fine even with the 1270 and minecraft still being bad at multithreading but you'll be shrinking your overall CPU by ~65-70% after all and chances are it won't be 95% idle any longer
The wonders of Java's garbage collection but given you'll probably have 32GB minimum 17 on average doesn't seem too bad.
Edit: I wouldn't worry about RAM too much. OVH's E3 seems to be modern enough to actually run DDR4 at least. The mechanical rust spinners might not be ideal though but i guess if it's really bad you could always run them as yolo raid to push the performance up a notch. Just don't skip on a somewhat regular offsite backup.
I am happy with my kimsufi 15/month. yes its old hardware but at least it has predictable performance. Not something you can say from those overcrowded servers with 7 dollar per year vps-es.
Eco is exactly same as normal ovh dedi. Its just older hardware for cheaper. All the panels and networks are otherwise the same
They come with some limitations.. eg you cant assign /24 to a KS server. Network is not 1Gbit and more.
Would you be interested in this?
Intel Xeon E3-1230v2 / 32GB RAM / 240GB SSD / 1 Ipv4 / 1Gbps Unmetered / Price $17.95/m
It is in Tampa, FL. I bought it from SolidVPS during their Mega Deals sale but I have no use for it. The only issue is the transfer fee is $25.
I also have KS-MYST in RBX on EU account that I may let go for a good price
if you are interested.
I would also suggest checking out Servarica. Some really good deals for EPYC.
https://clients.servarica.com/store/bf-2025-kvm-slim-slice
https://clients.servarica.com/store/v3-kvm-slices
You can buy /25 or 128 additional IPs to kimsufi (KS) or 256 or full /24 to SYS. Additionally you BYOIP and use those without limits.
My KS is 300 Mbps but network bursts 1Gbps both ways. Its just the guaranteed amount.
KS-6 is 10Gbps down and 1Gbps up burst.
Is the price on that including any sort of taxes? I'm a Brit, so some places charge VAT, some dont its a mixed bag lmao.
What exactly is the Mystery stuff I see mentioned somewhat often here? Are they just random upgrades or specific, limited-time/edition servers?
SolidVPS is US based and Servarica is Canada based so there should be no VAT/taxes.
KS-MYST is just a limited deal that OVH did. The specs are dependent on what year you got.
Intel Xeon E5-1650v3 - 6c/12t - 3.5 GHz/3.8 GHz
64 GB ECC 2133 MHz
2×480 GB SSD SATA
Renewal Price: 22,99€ /m
OVH will charge VAT due to EU account so EU based.
I would also take in consideration location because it depends on where your player base is located. It would be beneficial to have it closer to them.
Ah, ok, that's cool. I assume the mystery ones usually come at a big transfer cost, right?
And location is less of a concern due to the players being all over the world, so someone will suffer slightly