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  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @maverick said:

    @host_c said: I would also watch out for mails from us these days......

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited May 7

    @host_c said:

    @rpqu said: Price hikes? Or addons on special deals? Either way, gotta alert @AlteredParadox

    Add-ons on the Promo Services, New OS images and templates, changes to the IPV6 network setup wise, promos a bit later, I am still struggling with the above.

    We are trying to make an interactive promo order system, yet, no info for now on it, as it is still in dypers.

    After the IPV4 and IPV6 changes we will deploy RDNS ability in the user panel also, for both IPV4 and IPV6 - most probably by june end - if all goes well :D :D .

    @yoursunny

    VNC has IPV6 now, I remember you said it did not. Hope Stu also managed to make it work :D :D

    my.host-c.com, vnc system and looking glass have new IPV6 addresses also since yesterday.

    How nice. If possible, can you add this as a feature for the IPV6 only vps

    IPv4 programming socks proxy

    Also, did you just refund me? I receive notification that someone had refunded me $3.2

  • Is PayPal broken, or I am I broken? I bought another $12 thing but I couldn’t for the life of me get PayPal to work 🤣 also hi @rpqu

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  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @host_c said:

    @rpqu said: Price hikes? Or addons on special deals? Either way, gotta alert @AlteredParadox

    Add-ons on the Promo Services, New OS images and templates, changes to the IPV6 network setup wise, promos a bit later, I am still struggling with the above.

    We are trying to make an interactive promo order system, yet, no info for now on it, as it is still in dypers.

    After the IPV4 and IPV6 changes we will deploy RDNS ability in the user panel also, for both IPV4 and IPV6 - most probably by june end - if all goes well :D :D .

    @yoursunny

    VNC has IPV6 now, I remember you said it did not. Hope Stu also managed to make it work :D :D

    my.host-c.com, vnc system and looking glass have new IPV6 addresses also since yesterday.

    While you work at networks, please also try to add a firewall managed from client area. AI keeps coming with new vulnerabilities, while docker is quite hard to secure for newbies because it bypasses iptables. Just a thought.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @default said:
    docker is quite hard to secure for newbies because it bypasses iptables.

    Change -p 8080:8080 to -p 127.0.0.1:8080:8080.

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited May 7

    @yoursunny said:

    @default said:
    docker is quite hard to secure for newbies because it bypasses iptables.

    Change -p 8080:8080 to -p 127.0.0.1:8080:8080.

    I know that :) But doing that every time in some projects like Nextcloud AIO is quite difficult, because it has automated SSL and stuff. I ask for firewall not just for me to deploy stuff easier, but for others too.

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  • +1 for firewall in the control panel. Also, bananas.

    Thanked by 1host_c
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @AlteredParadox said:
    Is PayPal broken, or I am I broken? I bought another $12 thing but I couldn’t for the life of me get PayPal to work 🤣 also hi @rpqu

    PayPal is broken 1 in 5

    • Captcha fail to load
    • Loading & Loading
    • SMS gateway broken
    • Mail gateway broken
    • Hooks broken
    • Confused currency picker
    • Transaction not found in history
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited May 7

    @default
    @rpqu

    I can add firweall the next thing in the morning. Here is the BUT:

    Users can then delete the Admin rules also :D :D

    I have wrote MG ( Modules Garden ) to add a UUID to the rules defined in the backend so they do not show up in the user panel, that way, useres can define their own settings, as this way, the firewall module is basically unusable, other then de defined rules by us.

    That was like 6 months ago, so......... yes, to be done :D :D :D

    I never imagined in the 90's when I was happy with my MS-DOS and Win 3.11 that software will be such a trash in 30 years. Well, it is, in general, trash.

    Nowbody gives a fucq anymore on optimization or any basic decent logic in an app anymore, and when you take whatever AI is writing is sloppy on a best day.

    So yes, we need 4 cores of 3.4 GHz Ryzen to start spider Solitare today, nice, now that is EVOLUTION.

    I think I will just start getting Lammas, @AlteredParadox - do you have a good supplier? :D :D :D

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited May 7

    Ahh, just remembered another shit from the to-do list.

    Remember we promissed inter-lan traffic?

    Well, here is the catch, Proxmox Sums the traffic of all lan cards present in a VPS, so to overcome that, you just need to poll eth0 - the "wan card", yet that is in a ticket for.... 1 year or so.

    So I have my hands tyed because of software, not hw issues.
    Too small as a company for a full onboard coding team, while i have the setup already in place, just cannot use it. It makes me a bit sad pissed off you know.....

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @host_c I would like to confirm some numbers as I want to improve the Host Proration Calculator (HPC):
    1. Within PayPal's buyers protection. It costs $15 to the host if the customer won a dispute.
    2. If the customer's ordered a $20. Requested full refund, how much do you lost? Is it only PayPal's fixed fees or including the percentages or did they charge you again for the extras?
    3. Does the customer received $20 without any fees, last time the customer were charged fees?
    4. Does PayPal discourage or penalize if you reduce the refunded amount because of PayPal's fees?

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited May 11

    @rpqu said:
    @host_c I would like to confirm some numbers as I want to improve the Host Proration Calculator (HPC):
    1. Within PayPal's buyers protection. It costs $15 to the host if the customer won a dispute.
    2. If the customer's ordered a $20. Requested full refund, how much do you lost? Is it only PayPal's fixed fees or including the percentages or did they charge you again for the extras?
    3. Does the customer received $20 without any fees, last time the customer were charged fees?
    4. Does PayPal discourage or penalize if you reduce the refunded amount because of PayPal's fees?

    Refunds were processed based on the original payment/invoice value. In WHMCS and PP, what I currently have available is partial refund functionality. Regarding how PayPal handles fees internally, to be fully honest, I do not fully understand nor actively track their fee logic in detail. As it seems, after X days in case of a partial refund they take the fees from the payee not the Provider, that was strange to us also, as this was literally the first time we used that functionality also.

    From my side, what we saw is the NET amount sent back to the user. For accounting purposes, NET is what was effectively received after fees, while gross/brutto is the amount before taxes and processing fees. In the latest thread/screenshots you can clearly see the "NET" value referenced in the PP transaction, so why did PP take fees, have no clue.

    We did start an internal debate after the last Spray-Can show with accounting. For the moment, I do not have a definitive comment on what and why went wrong in some cases, as not all of them received the refunds with fees, so that is strange again. :#

    What we did was provide accounting with:

    • the user list + PP addresses - yah, maybe 8 out of 28 actually matched it by the way. :D
    • the service periods,
    • the remaining days,

    Then allowed them to calculate the actual returned amounts, considering that this is literally the service we pay them for. WHMCS itself does not properly handle this logic out of the box, and also for same sake of accounting logic, if we do a partial redound we have to reference the initial invoice, as well, accounting legislation, fiscal declarations, and whatever in the mix. ( at least for EU, for the rest of the non-EU states, I shall not comment, as those have different rules ) - so we let accounting figure this one out so we don't have a clash at moth end "what invoice was this from".

    We are talking about ~28 services that went thru this process, as those had upfront payments that surpassed the 30 April deadline, the rest were fixed by cutting them to the value / month payment in February-March so they did not renew for yearly and as a result those were gracefully terminated without this hassle/issue.

    Also, honestly, regarding WHMCS lately… I am slowly reaching the point of “Trash + Bye Bye.” - but that is another discussion for another time. :D

    Thanked by 1AlteredParadox
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @host_c said:

    @rpqu said:
    @host_c I would like to confirm some numbers as I want to improve the Host Proration Calculator (HPC):
    1. Within PayPal's buyers protection. It costs $15 to the host if the customer won a dispute.
    2. If the customer's ordered a $20. Requested full refund, how much do you lost? Is it only PayPal's fixed fees or including the percentages or did they charge you again for the extras?
    3. Does the customer received $20 without any fees, last time the customer were charged fees?
    4. Does PayPal discourage or penalize if you reduce the refunded amount because of PayPal's fees?

    Refunds were processed based on the original payment/invoice value. In WHMCS and PP, what I currently have available is partial refund functionality. Regarding how PayPal handles fees internally, to be fully honest, I do not fully understand nor actively track their fee logic in detail. As it seems, after X days in case of a partial refund they take the fees from the payee not the Provider, that was strange to us also, as this was literally the first time we used that functionality also.

    From my side, what we saw is the NET amount sent back to the user. For accounting purposes, NET is what was effectively received after fees, while gross/brutto is the amount before taxes and processing fees. In the latest thread/screenshots you can clearly see the "NET" value referenced in the PP transaction, so why did PP take fees, have no clue.

    We did start an internal debate after the last Spray-Can show with accounting. For the moment, I do not have a definitive comment on what and why went wrong in some cases, as not all of them received the refunds with fees, so that is strange again. :#

    What we did was provide accounting with:

    • the user list + PP addresses - yah, maybe 8 out of 28 actually matched it by the way. :D
    • the service periods,
    • the remaining days,

    Then allowed them to calculate the actual returned amounts, considering that this is literally the service we pay them for. WHMCS itself does not properly handle this logic out of the box, and also for same sake of accounting logic, if we do a partial redound we have to reference the initial invoice, as well, accounting legislation, fiscal declarations, and whatever in the mix. ( at least for EU, for the rest of the non-EU states, I shall not comment, as those have different rules ) - so we let accounting figure this one out so we don't have a clash at moth end "what invoice was this from".

    We are talking about ~28 services that went thru this process, as those had upfront payments that surpassed the 30 April deadline, the rest were fixed by cutting them to the value / month payment in February-March so they did not renew for yearly and as a result those were gracefully terminated without this hassle/issue.

    Also, honestly, regarding WHMCS lately… I am slowly reaching the point of “Trash + Bye Bye.” - but that is another discussion for another time. :D

    Thank you for the insight. I hope each version makes the proration and refund easier

    https://justpaste.it/hy9sn

    Thanked by 1AlteredParadox
  • @rpqu said:

    @host_c said:

    @rpqu said:
    @host_c I would like to confirm some numbers as I want to improve the Host Proration Calculator (HPC):
    1. Within PayPal's buyers protection. It costs $15 to the host if the customer won a dispute.
    2. If the customer's ordered a $20. Requested full refund, how much do you lost? Is it only PayPal's fixed fees or including the percentages or did they charge you again for the extras?
    3. Does the customer received $20 without any fees, last time the customer were charged fees?
    4. Does PayPal discourage or penalize if you reduce the refunded amount because of PayPal's fees?

    Refunds were processed based on the original payment/invoice value. In WHMCS and PP, what I currently have available is partial refund functionality. Regarding how PayPal handles fees internally, to be fully honest, I do not fully understand nor actively track their fee logic in detail. As it seems, after X days in case of a partial refund they take the fees from the payee not the Provider, that was strange to us also, as this was literally the first time we used that functionality also.

    From my side, what we saw is the NET amount sent back to the user. For accounting purposes, NET is what was effectively received after fees, while gross/brutto is the amount before taxes and processing fees. In the latest thread/screenshots you can clearly see the "NET" value referenced in the PP transaction, so why did PP take fees, have no clue.

    We did start an internal debate after the last Spray-Can show with accounting. For the moment, I do not have a definitive comment on what and why went wrong in some cases, as not all of them received the refunds with fees, so that is strange again. :#

    What we did was provide accounting with:

    • the user list + PP addresses - yah, maybe 8 out of 28 actually matched it by the way. :D
    • the service periods,
    • the remaining days,

    Then allowed them to calculate the actual returned amounts, considering that this is literally the service we pay them for. WHMCS itself does not properly handle this logic out of the box, and also for same sake of accounting logic, if we do a partial redound we have to reference the initial invoice, as well, accounting legislation, fiscal declarations, and whatever in the mix. ( at least for EU, for the rest of the non-EU states, I shall not comment, as those have different rules ) - so we let accounting figure this one out so we don't have a clash at moth end "what invoice was this from".

    We are talking about ~28 services that went thru this process, as those had upfront payments that surpassed the 30 April deadline, the rest were fixed by cutting them to the value / month payment in February-March so they did not renew for yearly and as a result those were gracefully terminated without this hassle/issue.

    Also, honestly, regarding WHMCS lately… I am slowly reaching the point of “Trash + Bye Bye.” - but that is another discussion for another time. :D

    Thank you for the insight. I hope each version makes the proration and refund easier

    https://justpaste.it/hy9sn

    Excuse me, this requires llamas.

    Thanked by 2host_c Saragoldfarb
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @AlteredParadox said:

    @rpqu said:

    @host_c said:

    @rpqu said:
    @host_c I would like to confirm some numbers as I want to improve the Host Proration Calculator (HPC):
    1. Within PayPal's buyers protection. It costs $15 to the host if the customer won a dispute.
    2. If the customer's ordered a $20. Requested full refund, how much do you lost? Is it only PayPal's fixed fees or including the percentages or did they charge you again for the extras?
    3. Does the customer received $20 without any fees, last time the customer were charged fees?
    4. Does PayPal discourage or penalize if you reduce the refunded amount because of PayPal's fees?

    Refunds were processed based on the original payment/invoice value. In WHMCS and PP, what I currently have available is partial refund functionality. Regarding how PayPal handles fees internally, to be fully honest, I do not fully understand nor actively track their fee logic in detail. As it seems, after X days in case of a partial refund they take the fees from the payee not the Provider, that was strange to us also, as this was literally the first time we used that functionality also.

    From my side, what we saw is the NET amount sent back to the user. For accounting purposes, NET is what was effectively received after fees, while gross/brutto is the amount before taxes and processing fees. In the latest thread/screenshots you can clearly see the "NET" value referenced in the PP transaction, so why did PP take fees, have no clue.

    We did start an internal debate after the last Spray-Can show with accounting. For the moment, I do not have a definitive comment on what and why went wrong in some cases, as not all of them received the refunds with fees, so that is strange again. :#

    What we did was provide accounting with:

    • the user list + PP addresses - yah, maybe 8 out of 28 actually matched it by the way. :D
    • the service periods,
    • the remaining days,

    Then allowed them to calculate the actual returned amounts, considering that this is literally the service we pay them for. WHMCS itself does not properly handle this logic out of the box, and also for same sake of accounting logic, if we do a partial redound we have to reference the initial invoice, as well, accounting legislation, fiscal declarations, and whatever in the mix. ( at least for EU, for the rest of the non-EU states, I shall not comment, as those have different rules ) - so we let accounting figure this one out so we don't have a clash at moth end "what invoice was this from".

    We are talking about ~28 services that went thru this process, as those had upfront payments that surpassed the 30 April deadline, the rest were fixed by cutting them to the value / month payment in February-March so they did not renew for yearly and as a result those were gracefully terminated without this hassle/issue.

    Also, honestly, regarding WHMCS lately… I am slowly reaching the point of “Trash + Bye Bye.” - but that is another discussion for another time. :D

    Thank you for the insight. I hope each version makes the proration and refund easier

    https://justpaste.it/hy9sn

    Excuse me, this requires llamas.

    Sure, go ahead

  • eliphaseliphas Member

    Long time no see llamas

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @host_c any updates?

  • Where is @host_c!? do we require search parties!?! Last active May 14 :/

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  • @Saragoldfarb did you kidnap him again!?

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  • rpqurpqu Member

    @AlteredParadox said:
    Where is @host_c!? do we require search parties!?! Last active May 14 :/

    On LES it's May 19

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad
    edited May 31

    @AlteredParadox said:
    @Saragoldfarb did you kidnap him again!?

    Not in my basement. Never was able to capture him.

  • barbarosbarbaros Member

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @AlteredParadox said:
    @Saragoldfarb did you kidnap him again!?

    Not in my basement. Never was able to capture him.

    You should set up a trap to catch him with cheap RAM as bait

  • oooh one of my ip's changed. should i have a fit and freak out and demand millions of dollars?! is that how we do things now!?

    Thanked by 2Saragoldfarb host_c
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @AlteredParadox said:
    oooh one of my ip's changed. should i have a fit and freak out and demand millions of dollars?! is that how we do things now!?

    Ipv4?

  • @rpqu said:

    @AlteredParadox said:
    oooh one of my ip's changed. should i have a fit and freak out and demand millions of dollars?! is that how we do things now!?

    Ipv4?

    Yep. Both v4 and v6! 😁

    Thanked by 2Saragoldfarb host_c
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @AlteredParadox said:

    @rpqu said:

    @AlteredParadox said:
    oooh one of my ip's changed. should i have a fit and freak out and demand millions of dollars?! is that how we do things now!?

    Ipv4?

    Yep. Both v4 and v6! 😁

    Must be one of the minion fucking around by swapping IPs

  • @rpqu said:

    @AlteredParadox said:

    @rpqu said:

    @AlteredParadox said:
    oooh one of my ip's changed. should i have a fit and freak out and demand millions of dollars?! is that how we do things now!?

    Ipv4?

    Yep. Both v4 and v6! 😁

    Must be one of the minion fucking around by swapping IPs

    Think it’s the one I had in the range he mentioned they needed to decom soon back in April.

    Thanked by 2Saragoldfarb host_c
  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    Wait... Is that thanks anim new?

  • @Saragoldfarb said:
    Wait... Is that thanks anim new?

    lol nope. BANANAS

    Thanked by 2Saragoldfarb host_c
  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @AlteredParadox said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Wait... Is that thanks anim new?

    lol nope. BANANAS

    Maybe I should quit the shrooms...

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