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OpenClaw - Buy a Mac Mini or a VPS? Which? And Why?

I am becoming a heavy user of AI, and I am continue to be amazed what I can get it to do for me. So far, I am self taught and can't believe how productive Claude Cowork with agents like the browser extensions can do - it is managing my Google Adwords campaign. I was thinking of buying a Mac Mini and getting OpenClaw, but I see a least one provider here selling VPSs with OpenClaw installed.

Let's forget money, the initial outlay versus paying monthly as that doesn't matter to me. But time does. If you were in my shoes, what would you do and why? And, any good resources for a non-coder, baseline Linux command line guy, to increase my AI learning? And, anything else I should buy? I have subscriptions to ChatGPT, Claude (max), Perplexity, MidJourney, Leonardo and SuperGrok. For middleware, I also have Adspirer too.

Any/all advice/help/counsel gratefully received.

Comments

  • Openclaw is not useful as of me, I have delted all of my instances as of now,

    I'll rather stick to my micro services that gets thw job done (everytime) and i dont need to worry about random bills

  • Thanks for your input!

    @woinokiz said:
    Openclaw is not useful as of me, I have delted all of my instances as of now,

    I'll rather stick to my micro services that gets thw job done (everytime) and i dont need to worry about random bills

  • Running mine on a KS-LE-B. Don't think there's a need for a Mac mini unless you are planning on running your models locally.

    Thanked by 2MTUser2012 JohnnySac
  • smallpancakessmallpancakes Member
    edited April 27

    @MTUser2012 said: Let's forget money, the initial outlay versus paying monthly as that doesn't matter to me. But time does.

    VPS and Mac mini both probably require the same amount of time. OpenClaw is open source and more flexible so it is kinda expected that you need to spend more time on it. My experience is that almost every OpenClaw upgrade fixes stuff and breaks stuff, but that's also part of the fun.

    If Cowork works for you, there's nothing wrong with sticking to it.

    Thanked by 2MTUser2012 mee2
  • Mini PCs are cheaper and you have MUCH more choice. Can run a headless Ubuntu 26.04 - and not some type of desktop o/s.
    For a VPS you can go with 2cpu 4Gb for like USD20/year

  • @dergelbe said: For a VPS you can go with 2cpu 4Gb for like USD20/year

    That's a crazy deal. Mind sharing the link? Thanks!

  • deafcondeafcon Member

    Running your agent from a VPS means you can access it easily when you're not at home (or wherever you would install the Mac Mini or whatever device). It's not like it's impossible to make a machine available publicly from home, but I'd rather risk my VPS being compromised than my home network.

    Thanked by 1MTUser2012
  • @EthanZou said:

    @dergelbe said: For a VPS you can go with 2cpu 4Gb for like USD20/year

    That's a crazy deal. Mind sharing the link? Thanks!

    Mate, you need to check some of the offers right here. I got 8/200Gb for €50/year in the very boutique.
    Just do a Ctrl+F and look for year

    On the front page you find i.e."
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/216610/little-creek-hosting-nvme-kvm-vps-epyc-nodes-starting-at-12-year#latest

    ok., that is $24 - so keep looking...

  • Low end VPs with api calls

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  • Hosting_b2bHosting_b2b Member, Patron Provider

    @MTUser2012 said:
    I am becoming a heavy user of AI, and I am continue to be amazed what I can get it to do for me. So far, I am self taught and can't believe how productive Claude Cowork with agents like the browser extensions can do - it is managing my Google Adwords campaign. I was thinking of buying a Mac Mini and getting OpenClaw, but I see a least one provider here selling VPSs with OpenClaw installed.

    Let's forget money, the initial outlay versus paying monthly as that doesn't matter to me. But time does. If you were in my shoes, what would you do and why? And, any good resources for a non-coder, baseline Linux command line guy, to increase my AI learning? And, anything else I should buy? I have subscriptions to ChatGPT, Claude (max), Perplexity, MidJourney, Leonardo and SuperGrok. For middleware, I also have Adspirer too.

    Any/all advice/help/counsel gratefully received.

    Hey. Today we can offer this

    Thanked by 1MTUser2012
  • Try OpenClaw on a VPS first, and you'll realize it's just a waste of your tokens

  • Best setup.

    VPS for openclaw (the brain), but as most said here, it really isn't groundbreaking stuff especially when you rely on external API services.

    I recommend buying a local mac ultra (old one m1, m2) which larger ram 32GB+ to run a decent model, which you can host yourself.

    This + API for bigger smarter model, that openclaw can pivot too for more demanding requests is the way to go.

    Thanked by 1MTUser2012
  • Great point. I hadn't thought of that. I do make extensive use of remote control software like Splashtop. But, that is a strong point in favor of VPS.

    @deafcon said:
    Running your agent from a VPS means you can access it easily when you're not at home (or wherever you would install the Mac Mini or whatever device). It's not like it's impossible to make a machine available publicly from home, but I'd rather risk my VPS being compromised than my home network.

  • Interesting. I am open to the possibility of token and by extension user farming. Does this comment come from actual experience on your part?

    @HoshinoAya said:
    Try OpenClaw on a VPS first, and you'll realize it's just a waste of your tokens

  • Looks like some great resources. I skimmed them already. Looks like a lot of work to setup. I need to think about that too as Claude Cowork is working fine for me right now.

    @Hosting_b2b said:

    @MTUser2012 said:
    I am becoming a heavy user of AI, and I am continue to be amazed what I can get it to do for me. So far, I am self taught and can't believe how productive Claude Cowork with agents like the browser extensions can do - it is managing my Google Adwords campaign. I was thinking of buying a Mac Mini and getting OpenClaw, but I see a least one provider here selling VPSs with OpenClaw installed.

    Let's forget money, the initial outlay versus paying monthly as that doesn't matter to me. But time does. If you were in my shoes, what would you do and why? And, any good resources for a non-coder, baseline Linux command line guy, to increase my AI learning? And, anything else I should buy? I have subscriptions to ChatGPT, Claude (max), Perplexity, MidJourney, Leonardo and SuperGrok. For middleware, I also have Adspirer too.

    Any/all advice/help/counsel gratefully received.

    Hey. Today we can offer this

  • Hosting_b2bHosting_b2b Member, Patron Provider

    @MTUser2012 said:
    Looks like some great resources. I skimmed them already. Looks like a lot of work to setup. I need to think about that too as Claude Cowork is working fine for me right now.

    @Hosting_b2b said:

    @MTUser2012 said:
    I am becoming a heavy user of AI, and I am continue to be amazed what I can get it to do for me. So far, I am self taught and can't believe how productive Claude Cowork with agents like the browser extensions can do - it is managing my Google Adwords campaign. I was thinking of buying a Mac Mini and getting OpenClaw, but I see a least one provider here selling VPSs with OpenClaw installed.

    Let's forget money, the initial outlay versus paying monthly as that doesn't matter to me. But time does. If you were in my shoes, what would you do and why? And, any good resources for a non-coder, baseline Linux command line guy, to increase my AI learning? And, anything else I should buy? I have subscriptions to ChatGPT, Claude (max), Perplexity, MidJourney, Leonardo and SuperGrok. For middleware, I also have Adspirer too.

    Any/all advice/help/counsel gratefully received.

    Hey. Today we can offer this

    Fair point! That’s exactly why we provided the step-by-step commands in the guide—to make the process as straightforward as possible.

    If you want to give it a try on a high-performance environment, you can use the promo code EASTER25 to get 25% OFF on any VPS/Cloud instance. It’s a great way to secure a powerful setup at a fraction of the cost.

    Feel free to use the guide whenever you're ready to deploy!

  • MonocleMonocle Member
    edited April 27

    @EthanZou said:

    @dergelbe said: For a VPS you can go with 2cpu 4Gb for like USD20/year

    That's a crazy deal. Mind sharing the link? Thanks!

    I found these very interesting deals from @Chunkserve

    2 cores (xeon gold 6122) and 4GB for 16 euros and they might be still giving bonuses through their thread
    https://billing.chunkserve.com/index.php?rp=/store/let-vm-special

    Edit: It can actually be 16 dollars. Change the currency before ordering.

    Thanked by 1hades_corps
  • Is it just me or OpenClaw on npm does not use more than 1 thread?

    I find setup via npm works okay-ist. It's weird that homebrew requires user but Claw's own plug-in want su. Though after that you can just give what ever needed to Claw and it will setup itself.

  • remyremy Member

    Mac mini is only useful for imessage
    Openclaw is crap though

  • @woinokiz said:
    Openclaw is not useful as of me, I have delted all of my instances as of now,

    I'll rather stick to my micro services that gets thw job done (everytime) and i dont need to worry about random bills

    You deleted the spellchecking agent!

  • @HoshinoAya said:
    Try OpenClaw on a VPS first, and you'll realize it's just a waste of your tokens

    Before you know what you do use only free models from Openrouter or Nvidia. Once you know what you want try a cheap model, like deepseek v4-flash

  • @TimboJones said:

    @woinokiz said:
    Openclaw is not useful as of me, I have delted all of my instances as of now,

    I'll rather stick to my micro services that gets thw job done (everytime) and i dont need to worry about random bills

    You deleted the spellchecking agent!

    It keeps happening after i started using samsung keyboard

  • HostMeNowHostMeNow Member, Host Rep

    Try PicoClaw first, it can even run on a pie nano.

    Thanked by 2MTUser2012 dedicados
  • HoshinoAyaHoshinoAya Member

    @MTUser2012 said:
    Interesting. I am open to the possibility of token and by extension user farming. Does this comment come from actual experience on your part?

    @HoshinoAya said:
    Try OpenClaw on a VPS first, and you'll realize it's just a waste of your tokens

    For me, yes. I ran it on my VPS for three months, and whenever I wanted it to carry out some precise tasks (for example, browsing content in a browser or logging into certain websites), it would become really stupid and clumsy. I’d have to remind it three, four, even five times before it would realize something was wrong. Every time that happened, I felt like deleting it completely and never using it again

    Thanked by 1MTUser2012
  • MTUser2012MTUser2012 Member

    This is really helpful to me. I think I'm just going to stick with using Claude and Cowork mode. It has been good at doing the things that I want to do and I have learned quite a bit. I don't need something that won't do what I want readily. That is just too much work.

    @HoshinoAya said:

    @MTUser2012 said:
    Interesting. I am open to the possibility of token and by extension user farming. Does this comment come from actual experience on your part?

    @HoshinoAya said:
    Try OpenClaw on a VPS first, and you'll realize it's just a waste of your tokens

    For me, yes. I ran it on my VPS for three months, and whenever I wanted it to carry out some precise tasks (for example, browsing content in a browser or logging into certain websites), it would become really stupid and clumsy. I’d have to remind it three, four, even five times before it would realize something was wrong. Every time that happened, I felt like deleting it completely and never using it again

  • kaddaikaddai Member

    @MTUser2012 said:
    This is really helpful to me. I think I'm just going to stick with using Claude and Cowork mode. It has been good at doing the things that I want to do and I have learned quite a bit. I don't need something that won't do what I want readily. That is just too much work.

    @HoshinoAya said:

    @MTUser2012 said:
    Interesting. I am open to the possibility of token and by extension user farming. Does this comment come from actual experience on your part?

    @HoshinoAya said:
    Try OpenClaw on a VPS first, and you'll realize it's just a waste of your tokens

    For me, yes. I ran it on my VPS for three months, and whenever I wanted it to carry out some precise tasks (for example, browsing content in a browser or logging into certain websites), it would become really stupid and clumsy. I’d have to remind it three, four, even five times before it would realize something was wrong. Every time that happened, I felt like deleting it completely and never using it again

    Why not try Hermes-agent which replaceing the openclaw?

    Thanked by 1MTUser2012
  • motafokamotafoka Member

    I'm tinkering with Hermes agent and so far I liked it

    Thanked by 1MTUser2012
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