What’s really behind residential proxy providers?

whiterider · April 23

@sillycat said:

@whiterider said: So "legit" operators are less expensive than botnet operated networks?

No. What I'm saying is that proxy resellers offer the proxy pools of legit providers for cheaper because they purchase in bulk from these legit providers, so they can resell for cheaper.

Generally, shadier pools are cheaper. Brightdata at 4/g, 711proxy (shady, but not 100% shady) at 1.2/g and Kimwolf sells at 0.8/g.

I have also found this, it's really interesting

rpqu · April 23

@whiterider said:
and why are people keep using them,

Rate limiters, geo-block, and other type of network nuisance.
Whitelisting IP could reduce the attack surface from DDoS. More often than not, they're denying access to legit user who happened to be abroad or on patchy network (People would use proxy within their own country, because suboptimal routing by their ISP).
Telco roaming, depending on the duration more expensive and less stable compared to proxy.

unsafetypin · April 23

For example - Brightdata is super scammy and uses peoples phones, tvs, tablets, browsers as proxy endpoints.

Brightdata "scams" to get users as part of their proxy network - https://bright4good.eco/ , https://earnapp.com/, https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bright-rewards-earn-cash/id1645893250 , Found in Minecraft mods - https://notes.highlysuspect.agency/blog/who_is_bright_data/

And you'll never ever guess where their CEO is from.

Neoon · April 23

@Shakib said:
We sell those to multiple proxy companies.

It's basically servers in data center, IP ranges routed over ISP ASN. Works as good as your native broadband/mobile data.

There are some secrets that makes our proxies better than what you could buy from the companies that are not using our services.

Edit: Our setup is better than IPRoyal. Already tested myself.

https://hostcram.com/proxy

That's an expensive /24 and easily blocked.

Shakib · April 23

@Neoon said:

@Shakib said:
We sell those to multiple proxy companies.

It's basically servers in data center, IP ranges routed over ISP ASN. Works as good as your native broadband/mobile data.

There are some secrets that makes our proxies better than what you could buy from the companies that are not using our services.

Edit: Our setup is better than IPRoyal. Already tested myself.

https://hostcram.com/proxy

That's an expensive /24 and easily blocked.

But none of our ranges are being blocked.

aphex · April 23

@david said: TorGuard also offers a residential IP service. From what I understand, they're using IP's from ISP's attached to a server. I haven't used it, so I don't know how well it works, but it's intriguing.

Where I work we detect every single TG IP immediately through a side channel. All torguard IPs listen on the same port whether you like it or not with predictable responses

3K33 · April 23

I knew something about this topic, but im suprised IPRoyal does their own “pools” now. They were reselling PacketStream some time ago.

But as others said, it’s either a botnet or earn money apps, honeygain is a good example.

Except some geo locks all other uses are either gray area or straight up illegal.

LTGT · April 23

@sillycat said:

@whiterider said: So residential proxies should be clasified generaly speaking as cyber crime enablers since the hosts are obtained maliciously and the end customer also uses them in a malicious way.

Depends what you malicious. Is getting around ratelimits malicious? Is getting around captchas malicious?

Most legitimate pools block websites that are obvious criminal activity, such as all banks, *.gov, etc.

were you not defending maskify?
You know? the proxy provider using kimwolf?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4753587/#Comment_4753587

leomax · April 25

@whiterider said:

@zed said:

@Shakib said:

@whiterider said:

@Shakib said:
We sell those to multiple proxy companies.

It's basically servers in data center, IP ranges routed over ISP ASN. Works as good as your native broadband/mobile data.

There are some secrets that makes our proxies better than what you could buy from the companies that are not using our services.

Edit: Our setup is better than IPRoyal. Already tested myself.

https://hostcram.com/proxy

Woudln't that be consider a datacenter proxy service? Datacenter proxies is an easier product line to understand, residential proxies on the other hand in my mind can be only aquired by making someone part of a botnet and then using their network, which is very very bad.

No you have no idea then.

It will only be marked as data center proxy if the ASN is data center/Business/Hosting ASN.

If we announce IP range for an example over AS6079 Astound Broadband, it will show up as ISP. We can just do it better than other providers.

I could send you one IP from IPRoyal and one from our setup to compare. Both works perfectly fine but real human and some whois can identify IPRoyal residential proxy as proxy/network sharing device while ours will show up as native ISP on all whois/db and even real humans can't confidently say it's proxy.

Curious how ipinfo.io define your residential ips?

That is a really good question indeed, classification + keeping it up to date would be hard but they must have figured out a solid way to impliment this.

The residential proxy detection of ipinfo.io is not very effective. I recommend using this novel detection method, which does not require an API key: https://hooux.github.io/uncloak

emgh · April 25

Sometimes it’s just fake ISP RIPE org

FatGrizzly · April 25

@leomax said:

@whiterider said:

@zed said:

@Shakib said:

@whiterider said:

@Shakib said:
We sell those to multiple proxy companies.

It's basically servers in data center, IP ranges routed over ISP ASN. Works as good as your native broadband/mobile data.

There are some secrets that makes our proxies better than what you could buy from the companies that are not using our services.

Edit: Our setup is better than IPRoyal. Already tested myself.

https://hostcram.com/proxy

Woudln't that be consider a datacenter proxy service? Datacenter proxies is an easier product line to understand, residential proxies on the other hand in my mind can be only aquired by making someone part of a botnet and then using their network, which is very very bad.

No you have no idea then.

It will only be marked as data center proxy if the ASN is data center/Business/Hosting ASN.

If we announce IP range for an example over AS6079 Astound Broadband, it will show up as ISP. We can just do it better than other providers.

I could send you one IP from IPRoyal and one from our setup to compare. Both works perfectly fine but real human and some whois can identify IPRoyal residential proxy as proxy/network sharing device while ours will show up as native ISP on all whois/db and even real humans can't confidently say it's proxy.

Curious how ipinfo.io define your residential ips?

That is a really good question indeed, classification + keeping it up to date would be hard but they must have figured out a solid way to impliment this.

The residential proxy detection of ipinfo.io is not very effective. I recommend using this novel detection method, which does not require an API key: https://hooux.github.io/uncloak

Its crap.

{
  "risk_signals": {
    "routing_entropy_anomaly": true,
    "kernel_signature_offset": true,
    "stack_entropy_inconsistency": false,
    "passive_transport_discrepancy": false,
    "network_origin_incongruity": false
  },
  "connection_verdict": {
    "is_real_device_environment": false,
    "explanation": "Connection originates from a non-real end-user device environment (e.g., VPN, residential proxies, remote desktop, emulators, proxy chains, automation tools)."
  }
}

I'm on Fedora 43.

Shakib · April 25

whiterider · April 25

@leomax said:

@whiterider said:

@zed said:

@Shakib said:

@whiterider said:

@Shakib said:
We sell those to multiple proxy companies.

It's basically servers in data center, IP ranges routed over ISP ASN. Works as good as your native broadband/mobile data.

There are some secrets that makes our proxies better than what you could buy from the companies that are not using our services.

Edit: Our setup is better than IPRoyal. Already tested myself.

https://hostcram.com/proxy

Woudln't that be consider a datacenter proxy service? Datacenter proxies is an easier product line to understand, residential proxies on the other hand in my mind can be only aquired by making someone part of a botnet and then using their network, which is very very bad.

No you have no idea then.

It will only be marked as data center proxy if the ASN is data center/Business/Hosting ASN.

If we announce IP range for an example over AS6079 Astound Broadband, it will show up as ISP. We can just do it better than other providers.

I could send you one IP from IPRoyal and one from our setup to compare. Both works perfectly fine but real human and some whois can identify IPRoyal residential proxy as proxy/network sharing device while ours will show up as native ISP on all whois/db and even real humans can't confidently say it's proxy.

Curious how ipinfo.io define your residential ips?

That is a really good question indeed, classification + keeping it up to date would be hard but they must have figured out a solid way to impliment this.

The residential proxy detection of ipinfo.io is not very effective. I recommend using this novel detection method, which does not require an API key: https://hooux.github.io/uncloak

This also detected my normal connection as "is_real_device_environment": false

384_cz · April 25

Which VPS has the cleanest IP?

dodheimsgard · April 25

All providers use devices with software installed that turns device into proxy. Some are botnets, some are kinda legit.

plumberg · April 25

@384_cz said:
Which VPS has the cleanest IP?

Whichever ones allow dry cleaning

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