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Internet Protocol Version 8 (IPv8) proposal

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  • dbadudedbadude Member

    @lichade said:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thain-ipv8/

    Instead of forcing a dual-stack architecture like IPv6, the proposed Internet Protocol Version 8 (IPv8) introduces a 64-bit address space that is natively backward compatible with IPv4. Any IPv8 address with a zeroed routing prefix (0.0.0.0.n.n.n.n) is processed under standard IPv4 rules. Because IPv4 is a proper subset of IPv8, there is no "flag day" or forced migration required for existing networks. This architecture resolves address exhaustion by providing every ASN with over 4.2 billion host addresses, while structurally bounding the global BGP table to a single entry per ASN.

    To solve management fragmentation, IPv8 introduces the "Zone Server," a platform that delivers every required network service (like DHCP8 and DNS8) in a single lease response. Security is built-in, authenticating every manageable device via universally cached OAuth2 JWT tokens. Furthermore, north-south traffic is strictly validated at egress: outbound packets must have a corresponding DNS8 lookup and be verified against a WHOIS8-registered active route. This protocol-level enforcement effectively eliminates malware C2 channels that rely on hardcoded IPs.

    I'm just glad there's no more letters in ip addresses.
    @yoursunny must be crying in a corner

    LIKE! especially because it kills the dreaded ipv6 dual-stack requirements.
    Maybe variable length ip addressing for also ipv6 compatibility. yolo

  • An IP that relies on DNS or it doesn't work was the first GTFO for me skimming this.

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  • AudioDogeAudioDoge Member
    edited April 18

    @zed said: At this point arguing about the protocol is just for fun right?

    Pretty much. The Protocol is fine. It is people / organistations and how and when they use it that is the problem.

    Double stacking is a paradox. If everyone switched at the sametime or in a set timeframe on chosen dates there would be less of a delay.

    If we get to the 19 January 2038 and we haven't fully transistioned to IPv6 I propose we just turn everything off and start again.

    Thanked by 1jolo22
  • forestforest Member

    URG pointer field is labeled "Urgent Meowing". :D

    Thanked by 3tentor suyadi92 host_c
  • forestforest Member

    1000%. And it's a terrible proposal anyway. There are actually already a few crappy "simplify and merge IPv4 and IPv6 into one" proposals that people (rightfully) ignore. IIRC there was one actually called IPv9, made by the same crackpot who thought that putting physical fiber optic wires between satellites was a smart idea.

  • @forest said:

    1000%. And it's a terrible proposal anyway. There are actually already a few crappy "simplify and merge IPv4 and IPv6 into one" proposals that people (rightfully) ignore. IIRC there was one actually called IPv9, made by the same crackpot who thought that putting physical fiber optic wires between satellites was a smart idea.

    Plot twist: there's probably satellites in space connected by fiber for spy or military purposes.

    Thanked by 1Saragoldfarb
  • xmsxms Member

    any ipv8 only deals?

    Thanked by 1host_c
  • NushairAlviNushairAlvi 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @xms said: any ipv8 only deals?

    Is IPV8 available everywhere?

    Thanked by 1xms
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @xms said:
    any ipv8 only deals?

    It's deprecated, go with @yoursunny IPv9-only offer

    Thanked by 2xms host_c
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited April 21

    @tentor said: Do you know that anyone can submit draft, right?

    True :+1:

    The IETF process allows weird ideas to be submitted. That’s intentional. It keeps innovation open.... yet aside the fact that I would love the idea in the draft, well, not all of it as most is gibberish, it is 2.5 decades late :D :D :D

    It does look like a April-Fools-satire :D :D

    @lichade said: @yoursunny must be crying in a corner

    Oh dear, that would be lovely to se right??? :D :D :D

    Unfortunately he is way over all, deploying IPV9.

    Now don’t get me wrong: from a human-readable perspective, something like this would have been far better. Actually, @yoursunny mentioned something similar before, either here or on OGF. Others have said the same: a larger address space made of numbers, not letters mixed in an alphabet soup.

    IPv6 resistance is not about "we have enough addresses on ipv4 or we can nat the shit out of it" it is more about "This is annoying/hard to read and I don’t want to deal with it".

    IPv6 is technically solid, but aesthetically terrible a fuqing mess :D and sincerely… from a human perspective, do you think people in 20 years will enjoy setting this up ? 2a0f:85c1:4d3:17::12 - :D :D highly doubt it.....

    But yes, IETF absolutely shit its pants when it over-engineered IPv6.

    Maybe next time, we should let the German These Folks figure this out

    All in all, today I hardly see any new IP related system that could successfully emerge.

  • xmsxms Member

    @host_c said: IPv6 is technically solid, but aesthetically terrible a fuqing mess and sincerely… from a human perspective, do you think people in 20 years will enjoy setting this up ? 2a0f:85c1:4d3:17::12 - highly doubt it.....

    you'd think with the automation we have and DNS that can be easily manged via API, we would automate it by now.

    No we are still handling IPs like neanderthals.

    case in point, there is thread in the forum, from a provider that boosts his own AI bot heavily, and they have no IPv6 deployment.

  • AndreixAndreix Member, Host Rep
    edited April 21

    Even tho I am 100% for a free and uncensored internet... damn... sometimes I feel the need of something like:
    "Welcome to the internet! Please answer 3 simple questions to make sure you can think before surf!"


    He says:
    “no changes required”
    ....
    later: requires version-8 packets, ARP8, ICMPv8, BGP8/OSPF8/IS-IS8, A8 DNS records, Zone Servers, and XLATE8 stateful translation...

  • AndreixAndreix Member, Host Rep

    Now that has more logic than OP's posted draft.

    The last few Meows really hit a sensible chord.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited April 22

    @host_c said:
    IPv6 is technically solid, but aesthetically terrible a fuqing mess :D and sincerely… from a human perspective, do you think people in 20 years will enjoy setting this up ? 2a0f:85c1:4d3:17::12 - :D :D highly doubt it.....

    My parents haven't configured a static IP in their lives and neither will most of their grandchildren with IPv6.

    Who are "people" in this scenario? It's kind of pathetic when network "professionals" complain about having to copy and paste different strings for the most part and type some extra characters the odd time someone would need to. You should operate on names, which are easier to type and remember than numbers.

    You remind me of a retired teacher I met on vacation one time. She was complaining that when they switched from imperial to metric, she had to teach Celsius instead of Fahrenheit, and couldn't (either from lack of effort or from being stupid, not sure). She ranted as if she was asked for pi to 99 places.

    Also, it'll get much easier configuring large networks since with all the subnets, you can specify a single fucking address and let automated subnetting happen. None of this 50 different /24's.

  • The World needs to get onto one language to make it easier to tell if someone is making nonsense due to language barrier or mental illness.

  • good

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