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  • @forest said: If someone spreads falsehoods about someone, even if it's just fake nudes, that's defamation

    Not necessarily, it depends on the definition of defamation. I think it a lot of countries one has to be famous in order to be defamed. In other words, one has to have certain public standing. It would be easier for a movie actor to claim defamation than for a housewife.

  • forestforest Member

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @forest said: If someone spreads falsehoods about someone, even if it's just fake nudes, that's defamation

    Not necessarily, it depends on the definition of defamation. I think it a lot of countries one has to be famous in order to be defamed. In other words, one has to have certain public standing. It would be easier for a movie actor to claim defamation than for a housewife.

    I think that just makes it harder to prosecute for defamation, but I don't think it provides immunity.

  • @forest said: I don't think it provides immunity

    Yes, of course, anybody can claim defamation. Is some countries the burden of proof is reversed, one can claim defamation and does not have to prove it, it makes it more fun and profitable for lawyers I suppose.

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  • zedzed Member

    Rather enjoyed this, think I found a new daily read.

    The Subprime AI Crisis Is Here

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-subprime-ai-crisis-is-here/

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  • rpqurpqu Member

    @zed said:
    Rather enjoyed this, think I found a new daily read.

    The Subprime AI Crisis Is Here

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-subprime-ai-crisis-is-here/

    Thanks for sharing

  • zedzed Member

    @rpqu said: Thanks for sharing

    don't forget to like and subscribe!

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  • rpqurpqu Member

    @zed said:

    @rpqu said: Thanks for sharing

    don't forget to like and subscribe!

    I don't know how to subscribe in this forum.

  • kinda sounds scary but it’s not really some secret rug pull, it’s more like tech breaking in a messy way

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @akomi007 said:
    kinda sounds scary but it’s not really some secret rug pull, it’s more like tech breaking in a messy way

    What do you mean by it’s more like tech breaking in a messy way. Is that euphemism for something else? Which subject are you replying anyway? Perhaps you should be more verbose and add more context

  • @default said:
    I am not blaming the victim. Let's split things here.

    1. Girl posts online. Girl should be warned about the dangers online beforehand.
    2. Boy grabs picture with or without consent. If it is without consent, then we have another problem with stealing data.
    3. Boy modifies picture. Whether it is with Microsoft Paint, or with Photoshop, or with AI, it is still a modified picture (just that the tool has evolved). This is another problem, but at least we can assume the picture stays confined in his own device or his own fantasy mind.
    4. Boy shares picture. Here we have a serious breach of privacy with even possible intent of humiliating someone.

    I am not blaming the victim; I just say that the victim has a fault too,

    You just contradicted yourself.

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  • @forest said:

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @forest said: If someone spreads falsehoods about someone, even if it's just fake nudes, that's defamation

    Not necessarily, it depends on the definition of defamation. I think it a lot of countries one has to be famous in order to be defamed. In other words, one has to have certain public standing. It would be easier for a movie actor to claim defamation than for a housewife.

    I think that just makes it harder to prosecute for defamation, but I don't think it provides immunity.

    I would expect defamation to be civil, not criminal, but IANAL.

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  • @zed said:
    Rather enjoyed this, think I found a new daily read.

    The Subprime AI Crisis Is Here

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-subprime-ai-crisis-is-here/

    Bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for that.

    tl;dr?

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad
    edited April 17

    Girls are never at fault, or to blame. It's always the sick and twisted mind of men to blame.

    Been plenty of studies about that. Not all men are like that, but when it comes to the things we're discussing, it's always men being proper cunts. Period.

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  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Girls are never at fault, or to blame. It's always the sick and twisted mind of men to blame.

    Been plenty of studies about that. Not all men are like that, but when it comes to the things we're discussing, it's always men being proper cunts. Period.

    Let's not get into misandry. Many times in history women did bad things too. Many women behaved the same as many men. Sometimes women were even guiding men from behind the curtain.

    • violence? There were multiple queens blood thirsty in history. We currently have in EU 3 leading women wanting militaries and violence and did not speak in UN to protect children.
    • prostitiution? Many women led some of the most successful brothels. Nowadays we have ex porn stars leading very successful companies in the adult industry.
    • manipulation? Best spies in the world are actually women, successful in extracting information and selling it to other nations.

    I am not defending men. I am not defending women either. But history and present show that even women (who should in theory represent the act of giving life) are many times the same as men. We're all equal, we're all cunts, there is no battle of the sexes. The only common root of the problem is always the same: greed (always wanting more) driving us all to do really nasty stuff even if the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I do not wish to derail this thread, but maybe misandry is not the solution. Please try and give it a thought. You don't need to reply, just sleep on it. Simply because major religions promoted patriarchy and men were always leaders, does not mean that women would have been much different — look at us now, me, you, all of us, together on the same planet of hatred and greed and wars, yet having politicians from both genders dancing on the same music and same narrative.

    Again, I deeply apologise to others if I derailed this thread. I just felt like commenting on this.

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @default said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Girls are never at fault, or to blame. It's always the sick and twisted mind of men to blame.

    Been plenty of studies about that. Not all men are like that, but when it comes to the things we're discussing, it's always men being proper cunts. Period.

    Let's not get into misandry. Many times in history women did bad things too. Many women behaved the same as many men. Sometimes women were even guiding men from behind the curtain.

    • violence? There were multiple queens blood thirsty in history. We currently have in EU 3 leading women wanting militaries and violence and did not speak in UN to protect children.
    • prostitiution? Many women led some of the most successful brothels. Nowadays we have ex porn stars leading very successful companies in the adult industry.
    • manipulation? Best spies in the world are actually women, successful in extracting information and selling it to other nations.

    I am not defending men. I am not defending women either. But history and present show that even women (who should in theory represent the act of giving life) are many times the same as men. We're all equal, we're all cunts, there is no battle of the sexes. The only common root of the problem is always the same: greed (always wanting more) driving us all to do really nasty stuff even if the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    I do not wish to derail this thread, but maybe misandry is not the solution. Please try and give it a thought. You don't need to reply, just sleep on it. Simply because major religions promoted patriarchy and men were always leaders, does not mean that women would have been much different — look at us now, me, you, all of us, together on the same planet of hatred and greed and wars, yet having politicians from both genders dancing on the same music and same narrative.

    Again, I deeply apologise to others if I derailed this thread. I just felt like commenting on this.

    I don't mind you addressing this personally. Do I agree? No, I don't.

    Sure... There's plenty of women who are just as bad as men. So lets stick to the numbers and you'll find women are more than often not the problem.

    Flawed? For sure. Buts it's always men acting upon it following their caveman peanut brains (read dick and testosterone :smile: ) )

    We could elaborate, and I'm sure we (the two of us) could actually do in a respectful manner but we'd probably derail too much.

    Just got triggered by people even slightly directing blame to women considering circumstances. There's never a valid excuse, imo.

    Wearing a short skirt, revealing top can never be an excuse to blame me for being even partially at fault for whatever sick thing some other comes up with.

    Notconliney, not offline.

    Should we educate about this and take precautions? Yes, for sure. Who's at fault or to blame? Always the predator , usually men.

  • zedzed Member

    @rpqu said: I don't know how to subscribe in this forum.

    I was just being silly pretending to be a youtuber, I don't think you can.

    @TimboJones said: Bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for that.

    It really is a long read but it's a great piece, read it on the shitter or something. Basically it's unsustainable, it's OBVIOUSLY unsustainable, it's a house of cards, crash imminent.

    @default said: I do not wish to derail this thread, but maybe misandry is not the solution.

    @Saragoldfarb said: We could elaborate, and I'm sure we (the two of us) could actually do in a respectful manner but we'd probably derail too much.

    You're not derailing anything imo, discussion is the meat.

    The women @default refers to are basically a statistical anomaly though. Guys have to control themselves no matter what because at the end of the day we can take what we want. You can say she should know better than to post those pics or wear those clothes or walk down that dark street and she probably should but it's still on us to not be animals.

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 18

    It's not great to describe a complex issue as "men are the problem". That's reductionist.

    The scientific reason is most likely the so-called variability hypothesis. Men, in part due to having only one X chromosome, tend to have more variability in their behaviors. This is why men are more likely to be extreme pacifists, but also more likely to be extreme aggressors. Men are more likely to be math prodigies, but also more likely to be imbeciles who are barely smart enough to do menial labor. When you look at any extremes, good or bad, it's usually men. For example, men are:

    • More likely to be rapists
    • More likely to beat up a rapist
    • More likely to be war mongers
    • More likely to be extreme pacifists
    • More likely to be robbers
    • More likely to try to stop a robbery
    • More likely to abuse their authority
    • More likely to fight against abusive authority

    It's pointless to pick and choose which of these examples of variability are "male", because you can make male behavior as a whole look good or bad depending on which you pick depending on which particular system of beliefs or political agenda you hold. By the way, this observation is not unique to humans.

    Simplifying complex sociological and behavioral sciences helps no one and only muddies the water.

    With that said, of course assault is bad. Getting assaulted is never the victim's fault, as fault implies that it was deserved.

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  • SeguiSegui Member

    I really have to purchase LTO machine

  • rpqurpqu Member

    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

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  • forestforest Member
    edited April 18

    @rpqu said:
    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

    That's only true in some ways. Women are still more likely to experience sexual harassment or assault. There are also still quite a few sexists who will shame a woman for showing even the slightest amount of skin. It really depends on where you are and the sociopolitical climate there. But it's not as simple as "reversal".

    It sucks to be a man (convicted due to false accusation, tortured in prison, committed suicide):
    https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/7atyhy/cousin_confessed_to_falsely_accusing_my_brother/

    It sucks to be a woman (blackmailed and surrounded by people who don't care, can't report it):
    https://old.reddit.com/r/rape/comments/e6k8r1/i_am_consensually_being_raped_by_my_captain_i/

    Humans are shitty. We as a species take advantage of the system regardless of their gender.

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  • rpqurpqu Member

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said:
    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

    That's only true in some ways. Women are still more likely to experience sexual harassment or assault. There are also still quite a few sexists who will shame a woman for showing even the slightest skin.

    Humans are shitty as a whole and take advantage of the system regardless of their gender.

    The statistics is conflated by several factors. Feminists always repeat the same statement over and over again to discourage prosecution of those who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and assault — implying it will discourage female from reporting the crime and getting justice which will result in undercounting.
    By this standard, it's contentious to claim the higher likelihood of victimization compared to male, as male has more tendency to not report these crimes, especially when the perpetrator is the opposite sex, which could counter-accuse and the court may feel the pressure from outside to prosecute the male.
    If the phrase as neutral as "You look beautiful" constitute a sexual harassment, I believe female would lead in numbers

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  • @default said:

    • prostitiution? Many women led some of the most successful brothels. Nowadays we have ex porn stars leading very successful companies in the adult industry.

    Counter point, if I was a prostitute, I'd probably prefer a woman running it than a man.

  • @Segui said:
    I really have to purchase LTO machine

    I am curious if there's decent lifetimes of this equipment and second hand purchase would be a steal, or if it's like all my old DVD drives that no longer work after being unpowered for a decade.

  • @rpqu said:
    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

    Just don't be surprised if you're identified as the toxic male in the room.

  • @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said:
    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

    That's only true in some ways. Women are still more likely to experience sexual harassment or assault. There are also still quite a few sexists who will shame a woman for showing even the slightest skin.

    Humans are shitty as a whole and take advantage of the system regardless of their gender.

    The statistics is conflated by several factors. Feminists always repeat the same statement over and over again to discourage prosecution of those who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and assault — implying it will discourage female from reporting the crime and getting justice which will result in undercounting.
    By this standard, it's contentious to claim the higher likelihood of victimization compared to male, as male has more tendency to not report these crimes, especially when the perpetrator is the opposite sex, which could counter-accuse and the court may feel the pressure from outside to prosecute the male.
    If the phrase as neutral as "You look beautiful" constitute a sexual harassment, I believe female would lead in numbers

    When was the last time you've done sexual harassment training from HR? Not recently, it appears.

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  • forestforest Member
    edited April 18

    @TimboJones said:

    @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said:
    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

    That's only true in some ways. Women are still more likely to experience sexual harassment or assault. There are also still quite a few sexists who will shame a woman for showing even the slightest skin.

    Humans are shitty as a whole and take advantage of the system regardless of their gender.

    The statistics is conflated by several factors. Feminists always repeat the same statement over and over again to discourage prosecution of those who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and assault — implying it will discourage female from reporting the crime and getting justice which will result in undercounting.
    By this standard, it's contentious to claim the higher likelihood of victimization compared to male, as male has more tendency to not report these crimes, especially when the perpetrator is the opposite sex, which could counter-accuse and the court may feel the pressure from outside to prosecute the male.
    If the phrase as neutral as "You look beautiful" constitute a sexual harassment, I believe female would lead in numbers

    When was the last time you've done sexual harassment training from HR? Not recently, it appears.

    Sexual harassment training is HR garbage and doesn't actually improve people's behavior. Empathy, mental stability, and good theory of mind is what makes people less likely to harass others.

    Human behavior is complex and it's reductionist to pick sides. Sexism is not a one-dimensional competition for victimhood, and the way culture frames it that way distracts from finding effective, just solutions, harming both men and women.

    @TimboJones said:

    @Segui said:
    I really have to purchase LTO machine

    I am curious if there's decent lifetimes of this equipment and second hand purchase would be a steal, or if it's like all my old DVD drives that no longer work after being unpowered for a decade.

    They're pretty reliable, but second-hand LTO machines won't be able to read the latest, densest tapes. There comes a point where it's cheaper just to buy hard drives as the investment pays off sooner and LTO technology obsoletes fairly rapidly (at least rapidly enough that any cheap, second-hand LTO drive will not be competitive).

    I'd only recommend LTO if you're getting into the petabyte storage range, and in that case, with a new machine.

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  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited April 19

    @forest said:

    @TimboJones said:

    @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said:
    Society always goes against men, when the perceived victim is a woman and the perpetrator is a man
    Girls harassing another girl/boy, damaging their reputation, socials,bodily contacts... No one will bat an eye
    Boys harassing another boy... No one gives a fuck until someone get beaten up
    Boys harassing a girl... LOL, straight to jail/juvenile detention/HR/drop out.
    Female could talk openly about others body parts and male aren't supposed to. So, we have entered the era of sexual reversal

    That's only true in some ways. Women are still more likely to experience sexual harassment or assault. There are also still quite a few sexists who will shame a woman for showing even the slightest skin.

    Humans are shitty as a whole and take advantage of the system regardless of their gender.

    The statistics is conflated by several factors. Feminists always repeat the same statement over and over again to discourage prosecution of those who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and assault — implying it will discourage female from reporting the crime and getting justice which will result in undercounting.
    By this standard, it's contentious to claim the higher likelihood of victimization compared to male, as male has more tendency to not report these crimes, especially when the perpetrator is the opposite sex, which could counter-accuse and the court may feel the pressure from outside to prosecute the male.
    If the phrase as neutral as "You look beautiful" constitute a sexual harassment, I believe female would lead in numbers

    When was the last time you've done sexual harassment training from HR? Not recently, it appears.

    Sexual harassment training is HR garbage and doesn't actually improve people's behavior. Empathy, mental stability, and good theory of mind is what makes people less likely to harass others.

    How big is the company you work for, how many people do you work in your office, and how many HR training sessions have you taken in the last two years? The fact that you don't think it's valuable to just go over what the acceptable behaviour is and make people aware of and responsible for their actions is surprising.

    Human behavior is complex and it's reductionist to pick sides. Sexism is not a one-dimensional competition for victimhood, and the way culture frames it that way distracts from finding effective, just solutions, harming both men and women.

    Tell that to the person I quoted talking about "feminists always" and that ludicrous bullshit about men not reporting crimes more than women.

    @TimboJones said:

    @Segui said:
    I really have to purchase LTO machine

    I am curious if there's decent lifetimes of this equipment and second hand purchase would be a steal, or if it's like all my old DVD drives that no longer work after being unpowered for a decade.

    They're pretty reliable, but second-hand LTO machines won't be able to read the latest, densest tapes. There comes a point where it's cheaper just to buy hard drives as the investment pays off sooner and LTO technology obsoletes fairly rapidly (at least rapidly enough that any cheap, second-hand LTO drive will not be competitive).

    I don't think this is the best time for hard drives to be talked about in the same sentence as "cheaper". This price spike in hard drives probably makes the tape economics even better.

    Also, for archive purposes, is tape not preferred for 10-20 year storage? I have had 80GB drives still working 20 years later, but I only use in applications where I can just replace it when it dies and not count on reliability.

    I'd only recommend LTO if you're getting into the petabyte storage range, and in that case, with a new machine.

    Thanks

  • forestforest Member

    @TimboJones said: How big is the company you work for, how many people do you work in your office, and how many HR training sessions have you taken in the last two years? The fact that you don't think it's valuable to just go over what the acceptable behaviour is and make people aware of and responsible for their actions is surprising.

    Small, but I also work with people are are expected to have enough intelligence not to have to be told middle school-level etiquette. Either way, while something has to be done about sexual harassment, most HR-ordered sexual harassment training is really bad and, in some cases, actually counterproductive. That's probably because HR exists to protect the company from lawsuits, not to improve people's behavior.

    @TimboJones said: Tell that to the person I quoted talking about "feminists always" and that ludicrous bullshit about men not reporting crimes more than women.

    That was directed to everyone. Although it is true that men are less likely to report rapes than women, but that doesn't mean men are raped more often than woman, just that they're less likely to report it. No idea what happens to the statistics when prison rapes are accounted for.

    @TimboJones said: Also, for archive purposes, is tape not preferred for 10-20 year storage? I have had 80GB drives still working 20 years later, but I only use in applications where I can just replace it when it dies and not count on reliability.

    For long-term reliability, optical discs might be even better. Tape drives are great though, but you have to refrigerate them to maximize longevity. The main reason hard drives fail over time is the bearings drying up, so in theory you could recover data from a dead hard drive decades later, it would just take more work than sticking it in a tape driver.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @TimboJones said:

    @rpqu said:
    The statistics is conflated by several factors. Feminists always repeat the same statement over and over again to discourage prosecution of those who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, sexual harassment, and assault — implying it will discourage female from reporting the crime and getting justice which will result in undercounting.
    By this standard, it's contentious to claim the higher likelihood of victimization compared to male, as male has more tendency to not report these crimes, especially when the perpetrator is the opposite sex, which could counter-accuse and the court may feel the pressure from outside to prosecute the male.
    If the phrase as neutral as "You look beautiful" constitute a sexual harassment, I believe female would lead in numbers

    When was the last time you've done sexual harassment training from HR? Not recently, it appears.

    Why would HR sent me to sexual harassment training? I think I'm quite good at maintaining boundaries, and initiate or respond conversation properly. If I'm required to treat people like eggs shell, I don't think I would be able to do that.
    It's absurd to put sexual harassment or abuse label to the slightest inconvenience such as male gaze or temporary relapse in thought process which may occur mid conversation or small talk, as if it represents oneself values.

    @forest said:

    @TimboJones said:

    When was the last time you've done sexual harassment training from HR? Not recently, it appears.

    Sexual harassment training is HR garbage and doesn't actually improve people's behavior. Empathy, mental stability, and good theory of mind is what makes people less likely to harass others.

    Human behavior is complex and it's reductionist to pick sides. Sexism is not a one-dimensional competition for victimhood, and the way culture frames it that way distracts from finding effective, just solutions, harming both men and women.

    It's the problem. Victimhood sells, positivity doesn't.

    @TimboJones said:

    @forest said:

    Sexual harassment training is HR garbage and doesn't actually improve people's behavior. Empathy, mental stability, and good theory of mind is what makes people less likely to harass others.

    How big is the company you work for, how many people do you work in your office, and how many HR training sessions have you taken in the last two years? The fact that you don't think it's valuable to just go over what the acceptable behaviour is and make people aware of and responsible for their actions is surprising.

    Human behavior is complex and it's reductionist to pick sides. Sexism is not a one-dimensional competition for victimhood, and the way culture frames it that way distracts from finding effective, just solutions, harming both men and women.

    Tell that to the person I quoted talking about "feminists always" and that ludicrous bullshit about men not reporting crimes more than women.

    I would salute feminist who doesn't give remark/warn people over consequences that may caused backfires when someone is suggesting punishment for those who's proven to make false sexual accusation to certain people.
    They must be few and scarce

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