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zedzed Member

Backblaze has quietly stopped backing up your data

https://rareese.com/posts/backblaze/

"TLDR: Despite claiming to backup all your data, Backblaze quietly stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders - along with potentially many other things."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47762864

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  • defaultdefault Veteran

    Who cares about customer's data as long as it was already used for AI? Its purpose has been achieved.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    Fuc*. It seems I really have to purchase LTO machine

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  • wii747wii747 Member

    I quit backblaze and now just use zerobyte to do my own backups on multiple storage VPS's

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  • raviravi Member

    @wii747 said:
    I quit backblaze and now just use zerobyte to do my own backups on multiple storage VPS's

    zerobyte looks interesting.

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  • @ravi said:

    @wii747 said:
    I quit backblaze and now just use zerobyte to do my own backups on multiple storage VPS's

    zerobyte looks interesting.

    Zero byte? That's REALLY not backing up! :p

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  • By interesting I hope you mean disappointing.

  • jadenjaden Member

    @wii747 said:
    I quit backblaze and now just use zerobyte to do my own backups on multiple storage VPS's

    I'll have a look at Zerobyte. I recently switched to restic for backups using multiple storage VPSes with separate providers and it's worked extremely well.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @rpqu said:
    Fuc*. It seems I really have to purchase LTO machine

    Nuh, I guess adding the step of first, if needed downloading from [e.g. dropbox] and then, 'tar'ing and compressing what you want before backblazing it should do the trick. Plus of course checking from time to time whether it's actually there on backblaze.

    Btw don't forget to put a temp storage box with HDD cap of at least the uncompressed LTO tape size in front of the LTO drive ...

    @wii747 said:
    I quit backblaze and now just use zerobyte to do my own backups on multiple storage VPS's

    Didn't you grasp it yet and learn? That approach risks to boil down to "rinse and repeat".

    The true problem is that nowadays it seems to have become normal for companies to optimize profit/shareholder value by breaking what was agreed and fucking their customers.
    So, switching to another company risks to just switch WHO fucks you.

    Most important: THANK YOU Mr. Reese and @zed for doing the one step known to occasionally curing the disease, making it known and spreading the word about it.

    Finally, a big fat FY! to backblaze

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  • maxxxxxmaxxxxx Member

    @zed said:

    Backblaze has quietly stopped backing up your data

    https://rareese.com/posts/backblaze/

    "TLDR: Despite claiming to backup all your data, Backblaze quietly stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders - along with potentially many other things."

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47762864

    Why am I not surprised. It's "unlimited" and that's the reason Backblaze stopped backing up those. The same reason for why they don't have a linux client. It seems Backblaze didn't communicate this change properly to customers. But also people never learn.

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  • zedzed Member

    I think they really kinda fucked the dog on this. I pay them to backup my important data, they decide some of my important data isn't and stop backing it up. Yes I should verify but since the decision is unannounced do I have to verify weekly? Daily?

    I reckon most people won't care or even notice until it's too late but having read about this I'd at a minimum be looking for a new backup vendor that didn't secretly stop backing up my shit.

  • ahnlakahnlak Member

    To be fair, they've always excluded network drives from backups, which is fundamentally what OneDrive / Dropbox is.

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  • @wii747 said: now just use zerobyte

    How do you find it? It is still at an early stage.

  • zedzed Member

    The Deepfake Nudes Crisis in Schools Is Much Worse Than You Thought

    https://www.wired.com/story/deepfake-nudify-schools-global-crisis/

    "Around the world, teenage boys are saving Instagram and Snapchat images of girls they know from school and using harmful “nudify” apps to create fake nude photos or videos of them. These deepfakes can quickly be shared across whole schools, leaving victims feeling humiliated, violated, hopeless, and scared the images will haunt them forever."

    I guess I'm naive (and old) but I had no idea this was a thing.
    Now having said that I feel foolish because OBVIOUSLY this would be happening, wow.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @zed said:
    I guess I'm naive (and old) but I had no idea this was a thing.
    Now having said that I feel foolish because OBVIOUSLY this would be happening, wow.

    This type of apps has existed for 2016. So, it's nothing new.
    If girls had learned something, girls won't post their photos online.

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @zed said:

    The Deepfake Nudes Crisis in Schools Is Much Worse Than You Thought

    https://www.wired.com/story/deepfake-nudify-schools-global-crisis/

    "Around the world, teenage boys are saving Instagram and Snapchat images of girls they know from school and using harmful “nudify” apps to create fake nude photos or videos of them. These deepfakes can quickly be shared across whole schools, leaving victims feeling humiliated, violated, hopeless, and scared the images will haunt them forever."

    I guess I'm naive (and old) but I had no idea this was a thing.
    Now having said that I feel foolish because OBVIOUSLY this would be happening, wow.

    Meh, people are freaking out too much about this. This type of thing has existed for ages. If someone spreads falsehoods about someone, even if it's just fake nudes, that's defamation and we already have systems in place to criminalize that. The problem isn't the technology, it's the fact that idiots think what they see is real, so releasing fake nudes ends up just as harmful as leaking real nudes. That's not the fault of the technology which is literally just hallucinating a fictional scenario.

    @rpqu said: If girls had learned something, girls won't post their photos online.

    Don't blame the girls. Blame the people who blindly trust what they see and who think that every "photo" must be real. People should treat explicit "photos" with the same skepticism they would treat supposedly incriminating screenshots.

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  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @forest said:

    @zed said:

    The Deepfake Nudes Crisis in Schools Is Much Worse Than You Thought

    https://www.wired.com/story/deepfake-nudify-schools-global-crisis/

    "Around the world, teenage boys are saving Instagram and Snapchat images of girls they know from school and using harmful “nudify” apps to create fake nude photos or videos of them. These deepfakes can quickly be shared across whole schools, leaving victims feeling humiliated, violated, hopeless, and scared the images will haunt them forever."

    I guess I'm naive (and old) but I had no idea this was a thing.
    Now having said that I feel foolish because OBVIOUSLY this would be happening, wow.

    Meh, people are freaking out too much about this. This type of thing has existed for ages. If someone spreads falsehoods about someone, even if it's just fake nudes, that's defamation and we already have systems in place to criminalize that. The problem isn't the technology, it's the fact that idiots think what they see is real.

    @rpqu said: If girls had learned something, girls won't post their photos online.

    Don't blame the girls. Blame the people who blindly trust what they see and think that every "photo" must be real. People should treat explicit "photos" with the same skepticism they would treat supposedly incriminating screenshots.

    One should not simply post their life publicly online and not expect others to look at it in various ways. Girls have a blame too, because they need to think about consequences when they post content publicly, just like we think before saying something that my offend someone.

    I come from an era of IRC, where I had to speak with a girl online for many hours, before she would share one picture. I felt honoured for her trust in me with sharing that picture. Nowadays there are many girls having social media profiles and posting pictures every day for everyone to see. One should not be surprised that other teenagers use that same content by altering it for self pleasure. I believe in the end it is girls fault too. They simply need to be warned about what to expect, but I guess they'll ignore parents advice anyway, since parents are old from an era of IRC and can't possibly understand their contemporary social problems with being popular at school.

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @default said:

    @forest said:

    @zed said:

    The Deepfake Nudes Crisis in Schools Is Much Worse Than You Thought

    https://www.wired.com/story/deepfake-nudify-schools-global-crisis/

    "Around the world, teenage boys are saving Instagram and Snapchat images of girls they know from school and using harmful “nudify” apps to create fake nude photos or videos of them. These deepfakes can quickly be shared across whole schools, leaving victims feeling humiliated, violated, hopeless, and scared the images will haunt them forever."

    I guess I'm naive (and old) but I had no idea this was a thing.
    Now having said that I feel foolish because OBVIOUSLY this would be happening, wow.

    Meh, people are freaking out too much about this. This type of thing has existed for ages. If someone spreads falsehoods about someone, even if it's just fake nudes, that's defamation and we already have systems in place to criminalize that. The problem isn't the technology, it's the fact that idiots think what they see is real.

    @rpqu said: If girls had learned something, girls won't post their photos online.

    Don't blame the girls. Blame the people who blindly trust what they see and think that every "photo" must be real. People should treat explicit "photos" with the same skepticism they would treat supposedly incriminating screenshots.

    One should not simply post their life publicly online and not expect others to look at it in various ways. Girls have a blame too, because they need to think about consequences when they post content publicly, just like we think before saying something that my offend someone.

    I come from an era of IRC, where I had to speak with a girl online for many hours, before she would share one picture. I felt honoured for her trust in me with sharing that picture. Nowadays there are many girls having social media profiles and posting pictures every day for everyone to see. One should not be surprised that other teenagers use that same content by altering it for self pleasure. I believe in the end it is girls fault too. They simply need to be warned about what to expect, but I guess they'll ignore parents advice anyway, since parents are old from an era of IRC and can't possibly understand their contemporary social problems with being popular at school.

    While it's true that people should know what to expect, that doesn't mean they are to blame.

    If they're just upset that someone is undressing them with their eyes, then sure, that's on them, but this is more akin to someone spreading rumors that will be widely believed because so many people lack skepticism.

    @default said: I come from an era of IRC, where I had to speak with a girl online for many hours, before she would share one picture. I felt honoured for her trust in me with sharing that picture. Nowadays there are many girls having social media profiles and posting pictures every day for everyone to see.

    The difference is that, on IRC, sharing a picture is deanonymizing themselves. On social media, you're already public. I'd be more willing to share a picture on social media than on IRC (not that I do either, though).

  • @default said: I believe in the end it is girls fault too

    Victim blaming, nice...

    It's not the fault of the girls "ignoring the advice of their parents", it's the fault of the kids who ignore the advice from parents not to harm others.

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  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @NotFoundException said: it's the fault of the kids who ignore the advice from parents not to harm others.

    It's not their fault either. It's the fault of a society that believes that "photos" are always real. Otherwise, a fake nude would be no more harmful than some teenage boy's fanfic about a girl they have a crush on.

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  • @forest said: Otherwise, a fake nude would be no more harmful than fanfiction.

    That's bullshit and even fanfictions can be harmful. Even if they wouldn't believe in the pictures, it's still humiliating. There is just no need to do that in the first place, that's the problem, nothing else

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @NotFoundException said:

    @forest said: Otherwise, a fake nude would be no more harmful than fanfiction.

    That's bullshit and even fanfictions can be harmful. Even if they wouldn't believe in the pictures, it's still humiliating. There is just no need to do that in the first place, that's the problem, nothing else

    It's humiliating, sure, but I'd classify releasing fanfic about your crush more in the category of "being a dick" than something so harmful that it's eternally violating, traumatizing, and haunting. I'd reserve the latter for something like sexual assault.

    But in the end, it can be defamation either way, which is illegal.

  • defaultdefault Veteran

    I am not blaming the victim. Let's split things here.

    1. Girl posts online. Girl should be warned about the dangers online beforehand.
    2. Boy grabs picture with or without consent. If it is without consent, then we have another problem with stealing data.
    3. Boy modifies picture. Whether it is with Microsoft Paint, or with Photoshop, or with AI, it is still a modified picture (just that the tool has evolved). This is another problem, but at least we can assume the picture stays confined in his own device or his own fantasy mind.
    4. Boy shares picture. Here we have a serious breach of privacy with even possible intent of humiliating someone.

    I am not blaming the victim; I just say that the victim has a fault too, but some things have to be thought beforehand. Unfortunately nowadays children are raised with too much positivism and too much "can do" attitude, forgetting that there might be negative consequences since nobody is perfect and people are unique (8 billion of unique individuals).

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @default said: I am not blaming the victim; I just say that the victim has a fault too, but some things have to be thought beforehand.

    Do you consider "has a hand in the chain of events" to be equivalent to "at fault"? Because most people use fault when they mean that it is the primary or proximate cause of whatever went wrong.

  • @forest said: It's humiliating, sure, but I'd classify fanfic about your crush more in the category of "being a dick" than something so harmful that it's violating, traumatizing, and haunting.

    Depends on the fanfic, I would say. But that wasn't the point as fake nudes are much worse. Blaming anyone for posting themself online, saying, obv. someone does that, it's your fault, is like saying, you wore too sexy clothes, it's your fault you got r****. It's straight up victim blaming.

    Even if it's just something like a fanfic or something else and you tick it as "being a dick" and live with it, never blame the victim for it, if they didn't also do something wrong in the first place.

  • @default said: I am not blaming the victim; I just say that the victim has a fault too

    If you phrase it like that, that's straight up victim blaming. You could say, that they didn't handle it carefully, but not say, it's their fault too, WTF

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @NotFoundException said: But that wasn't the point as fake nudes are much worse.

    But the reason it's much worse is not because AI is somehow inherently more evil, but because people will believe what they see when it looks like a photo. As a society, we've been trained to believe "photographic evidence":

    • If Bob claims Alice slept with him and Alice denies it, no one will believe Bob.
    • If Bob uses AI to create image of her sleeping with Bob and Alice denies it, no one will believe Alice.

    And yet, in the era of generative AI, both the baseless claim and the image are equally easy to fabricate and should (but won't) be taken with a grain of salt. That's the problem.

    @NotFoundException said: Blaming anyone for posting themself online, saying, obv. someone does that, it's your fault

    I never said they're at fault either, and I don't think they are. Default is the one saying that, and I disagreed with him, assuming we are using the same definition of fault.

  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @forest said:

    @default said: I am not blaming the victim; I just say that the victim has a fault too, but some things have to be thought beforehand.

    Do you consider "has a hand in the chain of events" to be equivalent to "at fault"?

    You can't just dress provocative, post hot pictures of yourself online, and not expect to have any fault when boys "drool" dreaming you. It is simple biology which needs to be taught.

  • forestforest Member

    @default said: You can't just dress provocative, post hot pictures of yourself online

    This is about people using generative AI to turn normal photos into provocative photos. It's a different scenario.

  • edited April 16

    @forest said: Default is the one saying that, and I disagree with him, assuming we are using the same definition of fault.

    Yea, I know. I find some things said pretty disgusting and find myself getting too emotionally again, shouldn't end like last time. I'm out.

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  • forestforest Member
    edited April 16

    @NotFoundException said:

    @forest said: Default is the one saying that, and I disagree with him, assuming we are using the same definition of fault.

    Yea, I know. I find some things said pretty disgusting and find myself getting too emotionally again, shouldn't end like last time. I'm out.

    It's very possible that he has a different definition of fault. Generally, people think of a person who is at fault as reckless and deserving of what they get (and no one deserves being objectified against their will). I am hoping that he is just saying that people should be aware of bad things that can happen to them, not that anything bad that happens to them is deserved.

    I can definitely think of contrived situations where someone could be at fault, e.g. if they post their own nudes to a porn site and then get butthurt that people sexualize them, but in this case, we have people uploading completely innocent photos and having others weaponize that against them. It's more akin to getting assaulted while dressed normally and walking in a supermarket than dressing half-naked and flirting with hardened criminals in a bar infamous for assaults.

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