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The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos
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If you are from EU - generate email text with LLM and send it to your country representatives to stop this madness.
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It's like the third time they're trying to pass this law
Yes, this time majority is supporting this crap. And it will be passed if we again will do nothing.
@Levi
Do you really think that what is sent over any social media or stored in any Hyperscale DC is not scanned, tagged and dissected??? and that is not a EU thing......
You did not read the proposal. They want to scan everything without supervision. This will be used against people latter as a mass surveillance, censorship. At least for now, there is discrimination for scanning. If this proposal in question will pass - no supervision will be required for data mining about you, your children etc. Non-discriminatory scanning. Anything obtained in this way could be used legally in the court of law.
This would immensely help regimes to keep loud voices at bay, for example.
They vote today... isn't this too late?
I understand that @Levi , but that is nothing new in my view, except the "Anything obtained in this way could be used legally in the court of law." part, this is and has been going on for quite a while now in my view. ( scanning, tagging, sale/exchange of personal data, surveillance and so on ).
technology can be misused in a lot of ways. It always depends on the Idiots ( I have no other words ) in power/charge.
To what extent this will go, well, good question.... I hate it as much as you and most of others.
EDIT:
Yet I doubt that will pass, as it contradicts a lot of other EU laws and regulations.
That is the problem: why does it have to be obtained?! A person is not guilty until proven otherwise. When everybody is under surveillance, it means they are guilty until proven otherwise. This is a main difference between states which respect freedom of speech and others which don't.
EU used to be a model of democracy and freedom but not anymore. It is no longer a model of democracy (in Romania were elections cancelled as an example) and it is no longer a model of freedom (they intend to monitor private communications like other tyrannic states). Unfortunately we are witnessing the fall of EU while citizens can't do much but stand by and watch in awe as their votes and trusts are trampled.
lets send only cock photos !
Sorry to ring a bell here, but EU was never a model of freedom nor democracy, it is and was a model for Control. EU has what?? like ~100 years without monarchy???? com on brotha, Democratic systems evolve over time, that implies try and error, and the EU is in dypers.
You do realize that you have 27 Independent states in the EU, each with it's own history, habits, religion and most of them were killing each-other for a few hectare of land not long ago.
Free elections, Rulle of law, Human Rights - those alone don't make a system Democratic if they miss-applied or miss-interpreted.
I pretty much doubt Democracy and Freedom are EU strong points, as if that would be true, why so many extremest to take control???? They would not even had the chance to speak of control if the democratic systems would actually work.
We EU members need to learn to forget the past as today it has no importance , play ball, work together, then freedom and democracy will follow.
There is no organization of society which have no flaws. All organizations are run by people and people has flaws: greed, apathy, corruption, power.
But there is always hope, which drives society to achieve better and better. If society succumb to apathy - the power will bring greed and corruption to any system. This is the cycle.
My pov is primitive - don't sleep when evil is at work. Apathy and ignorance allows bad things escalate.
Precisely, ignorance of the masses is what got us to today shit show, I agree with you on that.
The ignorance of 1990-2020 fueled by too much hope of the early 90's when everyone thought with the fall of communism the problems were solved, well...... no. As you pointed out greed, apathy, corruption, power remained in all of the "so called democratic" systems some have today. ( institutions take decades to build properly )
When citizens disagree on a large scale bad actors gain more room, hence that we need to put aside what happened 100 years ago, and learn to play ball.
As I said before, we are in dypers, and it will take a lot of time for this to be resolved to a scale that we, as citizens feel ok. ( I will also put "if" these will be resolved, yet, I will probably not live to see that happen ).
A bit misleading IMO.
They're discussing extending chat control, which was in place since 2021 and was already extended once before.
Chat control doesn't force chat apps to spy on you, it gives them a voluntary exemption from existing EU privacy laws which would enable scanning.
The only slightly worrying thing is that, as far as I understand it, the previous version of chat control only allowed targeted scanning, while the new proposal allows untargeted general scanning.
I still disagree with it, but just wanted to clarify, because "The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos" makes it sound worse than it is.
Well, given that you understand how things like this works: little by little they weaken resistance.
First this is "think about children", second "our safety at risk" and so on. Gov never propose something radical from point 1. They cull public, make it numb.
But we do understand that loosely written laws can and will be interpreted for someone to gain control and power. This looks like area 51 shizo, but holy shit, we are going there.
I have looked into my country representatives who support this rule: they are all 75+ IT illiterates. Some of them even don't speak English language. I'am worried that these idiots will do irreversable damage.
Yeah, but I also genuinely wish that the feds would do more against CP, etc. It’s pretty bad how openly that stuff is being shared via telegram or cloud storage providers. So I’m not completely opposed to on-device scanning for these kinds of services. Not that there won’t always be secure communications channels that they could use, but the average pedo has an iq of like 80 so it would go a long way.
I also doubt the EU could enforce a ban/restriction on encrypted communication in a way that would really affect me. There will always be open source solutions, even if it were to be illegal in the EU, and mainstream platforms like WhatsApp can’t be trusted anyways.
So really I don’t care much what the EU does here and we don’t have much say in that anyways.
Governments are like: we must protect citizens against man-in-the-middle attacks, therefore we [the government] must be the man-in-the-middle. And so, they become that very attacker which they hate. The irony!
Hi,
especially if you do this, you will make sure that they will vote for it...
Because thats exactly why its on the table...
True. They don't care. They want to identify and control information against dissent. It is another signal of EU morphing into something against freedom of speech and possibly against peace.
Hi,
i am sorry, but thats too much nonsense.
You act like anything here is new.
Already now, a judge can allow the police to spy on the potential criminal. The police can not just do it. A judge must allow it. Thats right now possible ( just like the past decades ).
This is possible in all countries, and i mean all. ( Aside of the fact that in some countries there is no judge who has to be asked ).
The only real new thing here is, that the EU tries to force the platforms to insert a backdoor.
Identical to what the US already tries to do ( or does?! ).
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or what ever else.
Its weakening the encryption to have the technical possibility for the police to hunt down criminals.
Of course this is something to vote against. We should never allow encryption to be weakened.
Too much abuse possible with this. They must find other ways.
But to think that anything is morphing here is just a wrong point of view.
Interesting view. I guess time will tell. Hopefully I am wrong and you are right.
Chat Control was rejected with 306-307 votes!
Success! This time. They will try again, no doubts.
Easy, because people vote for them (crazy). Free speech is fundamental human right, some might say that your views are extremist. No one should be prosecuted for their beliefs, even if I personally hate them. Where do we draw the line what is extremist?
Imo, that's how democracy should work.
I'm from Germany and I don't care. Just enjoy your life and stop getting upset about every little thing. Everyone dies in the end anyway.
Last time I checked there were more countries opposed to it.
Looks like there were some changes made.
Oct. 30 2025
Updated Danish Chat Control Proposal
Instead of mandating the general monitoring of private chats ("detection orders"), the searches would remain voluntary for providers to implement or not, as is the status quo. The presidency circulated a discussion paper with EU country representatives today, aiming to gather countries' views on the updated (softened) proposal.
Nov 12, 2025
Chat Control 2.0 "Compromise" Sees Broad Support
Behind closed doors, the revised Danish Chat Control compromise sees broad support. Due to Article 4 and 6 in the proposal, scanning of all messages, including end-to-end-encrypted content, is reintroduced while anonymous communication is outlawed and age verification becomes universal. The legislation now moves to the COREPER for approval before being formally adopted as the Council position.
Nov 15, 2025
Mandatory Scanning Excluded
Following significant public opposition, the Danish Presidency has revised its Chat Control compromise text to include recital 17a, which explicitly states that nothing in the regulation imposes detection obligations on providers, thus excluding mandatory scanning. The updated proposal (15318/25) is heading to COREPER and is expected to be formally adopted by the Council on November 18th or 19th, after which trilogue negotiations with the European Parliament will commence.
Nov 26, 2025
Council Endorses Chat Control
All but four countries (Czech Republic, Italy, Netherlands, and Poland) endorsed the revised Danish Chat Control proposal. While the obligation for scanning has been removed, the agreed text nonetheless incentivises service providers to indiscriminately scan private communications.
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
So, the move to ban underaged children is the precondition for legalization of warrantless
mass surveillance. Because if there's no children's message scanned (which can't consent), they could read the messages all they want.The half of your country that had to deal with the Stasi in the previous century, would probably disagree...
Good to know that half of the people in germany was living in German Democratic Republic before xD oh boy
Comparing Stasi with some internet laws.
True, the comparison might skew a bit.
The Stasi was limited by human capacity, whereas Chat Control has AI that automates mass surveillance in ways they could have only dreamt of.
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