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Apple Age Verification

wii747wii747 Member

https://support.apple.com/en-us/125662

Hopefully there is a way not to provide Age Verification. Why should you have to verify your age and how can you trust them with your ID.

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  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited March 25

    You can't. But apple users will obey the corporate overlord anyway.
    Edit:
    There was a TV debate and the concerned parents basically said, kids could learn inappropriate stuff online, psychologically damaged, etc... Basic fear mongering about the algorithm. How parents are alone fighting the negativity of the internet
    It made me think, doesn't kid could learn bad stuff offline? And we should demand accountability over the addiction-inducing algorithm?
    Perhaps, I made wrong assumption.

  • This already started in the UK as of Tuesday with 26.4

    https://www.theverge.com/tech/900284/apple-ios-26-4-uk-age-verification

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @rpqu said: You can't. But apple users will obey the corporate overlord anyway

    I think you mean the government overlord.

    Apple can't just refuse to implement this.

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  • sshboxsshbox Member

    Yet another reason to newer upgrade to iOS 26.

  • conceptconcept Member

    Apple approach of using account age and credit card is already better than other services.

  • You'll need carbon dating to verify the age of an apple. It's easier to cut down the tree and count rings.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @raindog308 said:

    @rpqu said: You can't. But apple users will obey the corporate overlord anyway

    I think you mean the government overlord.

    Apple can't just refuse to implement this.

    Sorry, it's corporate overlord shitting on the mouth of government overlord, then the government overlord shit back to the corporate overlord mouth. 100% human-centipede relationship

  • conceptconcept Member
    edited March 25

    Also it says "When creating a new Apple Account or using Apple services." What if you setup a local account and don't use any apple account or services? At least Apple still allows local account and don't force you to use an Apple Account like Microslop does.. trying to force it on users.

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  • @rpqu said:
    You can't. But apple users will obey the corporate overlord anyway.
    Edit:
    There was a TV debate and the concerned parents basically said, kids could learn inappropriate stuff online, psychologically damaged, etc... Basic fear mongering about the algorithm. How parents are alone fighting the negativity of the internet
    It made me think, doesn't kid could learn bad stuff offline? And we should demand accountability over the addiction-inducing algorithm?
    Perhaps, I made wrong assumption.

    I find it insanely obsolete over the last few years with this huge roll-out of ID checking, not only is it a horrible burden to user, and provider what does it achieve? it's not done in any coherent manner, some require ID + Storage, some promise to not store, some just scan your face, other simply need a credit card.

    Like anything, you can go to the internet for good or for bad both are currently blocked to the average user in many ways, we don't do this outside of the virtual world.

    Baffles me that over 75% of the planet is OVER 18, this doesn't even include 16-18 (Considered adults many places on the world - It's own separate problem of unfairness), or those under the age of not being able to use a device / internet. And we are pandering to over concerned parent's that have good intentions of keeping there kids safe but are demanding and forcing change in anyway they can achieve.

    I'm concerned to be honest, Apple has done this they have in recent years big one of the only large tech (FANG) to be outspoken about right to privacy this I feel falls in that remit so it's very disappointing to see.

    Is any of this, going to stop someone curious enough to know if there is a loophole? never, never has never will. ISP / IP blocking has been historically comical for most countries and there will be plenty of nations that will never follow suit, or attempt to block those countries that do making it entirely pointless. All they have done so far is make it harder for everyday users, to use everyday tools. It's not stopped sketchy sites, or unverified porn, gore etc. Infact what they have done is make it more likely to end up on a much more harmful site as those that actually moderate block you. Comical.

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  • conceptconcept Member

    @LowEndMac said:

    Is any of this, going to stop someone curious enough to know if there is a loophole? never, never has never will. ISP / IP blocking has been historically comical for most countries and there will be plenty of nations that will never follow suit, or attempt to block those countries that do making it entirely pointless. All they have done so far is make it harder for everyday users, to use everyday tools. It's not stopped sketchy sites, or unverified porn, gore etc. Infact what they have done is make it more likely to end up on a much more harmful site as those that actually moderate block you. Comical.

    Literally.. all a minor has to do is open a web browser… even a smart refrigerator has a web browser now lol.

  • wii747wii747 Member

    The UK government can’t even define what social media is and the have no idea what they are trying to implement.

  • HeronHeron Member

    I think this is is part of what I've seen called the "culture of child-worship", i.e. the belief that society should be shaped around and for children to the detriment of everyone else.
    It also "conveniently" brings in increased censorship and monitoring.
    Unfortunately many voters fall for it.

  • @Heron said:
    I think this is is part of what I've seen called the "culture of child-worship", i.e. the belief that society should be shaped around and for children to the detriment of everyone else.
    It also "conveniently" brings in increased censorship and monitoring.
    Unfortunately many voters fall for it.

    Fascinating how it also coincides with the extension of adolescence into adulthood (basically adults being more infantilized and dependent; learnedly helpless).

  • emperoremperor Member

    @concept said: At least Apple still allows local account

    Soon to be removed, mark my words :)

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  • 384_cz384_cz Member

    Do not vote far-left parties next time. Protest. Use open source software (custom ROM)

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  • @384_cz said:
    Do not vote far-left parties next time. Protest. Use open source software (custom ROM)

    There is left? right? middle? no such thing to many crossovers, to much BS

    Nope just greedy politicians in it for themselves, since the age of Empires, not changed. The common sense majority, has no party to vote as none of them will succeed.

  • @384_cz said:
    Do not vote far-left parties next time.

    Horseshoe theory -- when you go too far to either extreme, either party becomes closer to one another than anyone else.

    @wii747 said: Hopefully there is a way not to provide Age Verification.

    Don't buy Apple. They're not even legally required to do this in UK but they're doing it anyway (OSA does not cover OS). Graphene has already pledged not to do AV, and if their new devices get massive sales while Apple/Android slump, then that'll send a clear signal to the corpos.

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  • conceptconcept Member
    edited March 25

    @emperor said:

    @concept said: At least Apple still allows local account

    Soon to be removed, mark my words :)

    I can only see it being removed if some government enforces it. If Apple wanted to remove local account, they would've done it a long time ago. Get people to sign up with their personal data and then get more customers for all their subscriptions services for easy money.

  • lonealonea Member, Host Rep

    @384_cz said:
    Do not vote far-left parties next time. Protest. Use open source software (custom ROM)

    Utah, as right as it can be.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/139zvzn/pornhub_shocks_utah_by_restricting_access_over/

  • davidedavide Member
    edited March 25

    Imaging growing to 18 having never seen a porn.

    Lulz

    But hey at least you can pick your favorite gender, pronouns and race when you are still in elementary school.

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  • PuDLeZPuDLeZ Member

    @LowEndMac said:

    @384_cz said:
    Do not vote far-left parties next time. Protest. Use open source software (custom ROM)

    There is left? right? middle? no such thing to many crossovers, to much BS

    Nope just greedy politicians in it for themselves, since the age of Empires, not changed. The common sense majority, has no party to vote as none of them will succeed.

    The right started it with adult stuff (like porn) and now the left (with push from meta) is trying to make it so an age range is available for everyone. If you think it's just one side saying "think about the children!" you are wrong... While I'm much more ok with giving a random 1/1/19xx birthdate than actually sharing my ID/passport/facial scan, I'm against it because it's a slipperly slope. How much do you want to bet after everything complies with just asking for an age/birthdate, it will change to actually requiring an ID?

  • conceptconcept Member

    @davide said:
    Imaging growing to 18 having never seen a porn.

    Lulz

    But hey at least you can pick your favorite gender, pronouns and race when you are still in elementary school.

    There are places where age of consent is 16 or even younger but no porn allowed.

  • davidedavide Member
    edited March 25

    @concept said:

    @davide said:
    Imaging growing to 18 having never seen a porn.

    Lulz

    But hey at least you can pick your favorite gender, pronouns and race when you are still in elementary school.

    There are places where age of consent is 16 or even younger but no porn allowed.

    Yet the iPhone will helpfully blur all the selfshot nudes :/

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited March 25

    @LowEndMac said:

    @rpqu said:
    You can't. But apple users will obey the corporate overlord anyway.
    Edit:
    There was a TV debate and the concerned parents basically said, kids could learn inappropriate stuff online, psychologically damaged, etc... Basic fear mongering about the algorithm. How parents are alone fighting the negativity of the internet
    It made me think, doesn't kid could learn bad stuff offline? And we should demand accountability over the addiction-inducing algorithm?
    Perhaps, I made wrong assumption.

    I find it insanely obsolete over the last few years with this huge roll-out of ID checking, not only is it a horrible burden to user, and provider what does it achieve? it's not done in any coherent manner, some require ID + Storage, some promise to not store, some just scan your face, other simply need a credit card.
    Baffles me that over 75% of the planet is OVER 18, this doesn't even include 16-18 (Considered adults many places on the world - It's own separate problem of unfairness), or those under the age of not being able to use a device / internet. And we are pandering to over concerned parent's that have good intentions of keeping there kids safe but are demanding and forcing change in anyway they can achieve.

    If you want to know, I probably know why. That's why the world has to be shaped according to the benefit of the children (and other least advantaged group). And I disagree with this ideology, because it's the justification of their ruling, or how they instrumentally say, "We're just".
    They didn't ask the children. My teenager (past) self would disagree with their decision and ridicule their thought process. How do you expect someone to become an adult overnight?
    What's even parenting supposed to be? Raising perma-child?

    Is any of this, going to stop someone curious enough to know if there is a loophole? never, never has never will. ISP / IP blocking has been historically comical for most countries and there will be plenty of nations that will never follow suit, or attempt to block those countries that do making it entirely pointless. All they have done so far is make it harder for everyday users, to use everyday tools. It's not stopped sketchy sites, or unverified porn, gore etc. Infact what they have done is make it more likely to end up on a much more harmful site as those that actually moderate block you. Comical.

    I don't know about any loophole. But I know denying "veil of ignorance" would deny their position and every single hot-button topic.

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  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    tough situation.

  • wii747wii747 Member

  • davidedavide Member

    @wii747 try to take a nude without KYCing yourself :D

    Is it going to censor you?

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited March 26

    This thing with protecting children this way always reminds me of the story The Three Sillies by Joseph Jacobs which is quite popular in Europe. Unfortunately it is our turn to have foolish leaders nowadays.

  • Adam1Adam1 Member

    "the world has gone mad"

    in the early 2000's, I said to my friends that one day, hard drives/local storage will become illegal/outlawed.

    Does anyone agree with me? every year, we move closer.

  • RurikoRuriko Member

    Do they store your credit card details?

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