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Providers which support free egress/ingress for telegram?
whynotlearn
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Hey, I have a plan of making a telegram bot in the future which might be very egress/ingress intensive specifically towards telegram.
I think that telegram is peered at major internet exchanges (I can see that they are peered at amsterdam for example)
so I am looking for a vps provider which can allow unlimited traffic/ be more generous in this specific use case than their usual bandwidth limits given that its within internet peering exchanges.
I am not asking for a specific telegram offering or integration but just a normal vps which really allows full usage of bandwidth intensive tasks.
Some HDD storage might be nice as well.
Asking so that I can have it in my mind in future if I do end up building the bot and also because I am curious and searched previous threads but I couldn't find much
TLDR-ish: A provider which might not charge for egress/ingress for telegram related purposes.
Thanks and have a nice day.
(Also worth mentioning that although yes there are ionos,ovh,netcup,buyvm etc. which offer free/generous traffic limits, I wish to support niche providers too perhaps and maybe a niche provider might be able to provide a deal specific to this context so I am curious about that too)
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It's not worth the bother to measure traffic by source, destination and/or upstream. Thus it's either a certain number of bytes included or unlimited traffic. I doubt you'll have any takers for Telegram traffic specifically.
I understand but my main point is that Telegram peers at amsterdam internet exchange and any providers who might peer there might have me as a customer and it might cost them less compared to a person who runs traffic within the public internet so I was just hoping with this thread to point that out and hopefully have a provider who might charge myself less/ be more comfortable given that.
95-100% of my traffic would go through telegram within that VPS.
I will find a way to be honest either with large bandwidth egress providers in general and other things but I just wanted to make this discussion, maybe there can be a provider who peers at amsterdam and is happy with such bandwidth conditions.
I do understand your point tho, maybe at a certain point that they might have to trust me if I am using the server for telegram related egress or not but even with that being said, I would actually be fine if they even denied my vps later if they felt like I wasn't up to using it only for telegram related purposes
For context, I imagine 90-95% maybe more to go through telegram. I am only having a 5-10% leeway just in case but I 100% intend it solely for telegram bots to be honest.
The charge you less part just isn't going to happen. It costs more to measure and invoice the traffic than what it's worth and the differential in cost between peering and IP transit at scale is minimal at best.
You are better of just looking at hosts in your price range with unlimited traffic and checking their looking glasses that they have good routes to Telegram.
Thanks for your suggestion. I will likely go to netcup/ovh/ionos maybe buyvm/upcloud too. I just wanted to know if there are some niche providers who could've better suited my needs that I could support.
Is that the case if I may ask? because I looked up at IP transit and it charges quite a lot whereas peering felt much cheaper at scale but maybe I can be wrong (I usually am)
Even in that case, I suppose, I will have this thread open, see if any provider is interested otherwise shift to the providers that I have mentioned if I find none.
People usually access Telegram through an IX network.
Even if 100% of your data usage is for Telegram, you won’t get any significant discount on data charges.
So you just need to purchase a server with unlimited data.
I saw an article on the internets which was mentioning the DCs Durov uses for Telegram.
Check whether it's possible to get something from them or from the providers, who rent or collocate there.
So you plan to develop a bot which will be getting a lot of data from TG, not sending?
Could you please remind me whether that's as easy as sending a file?
I know that the latter is basically a couple of cURL lines, but never tried receiving anything besides simple text messages.
I think you should just look for a provider with unmetered bandwidth. It's not going to make much difference whether or not its connected to AMS-IX. The only real benefit of going with a provider that is connected to AMS-IX is lower latency. Telegram is also connected to DE-CIX Frankfurt too so pretty much any provider in NL or Germany will be connected to those IX in some way.
Can you please share me the article, I would actually really appreciate to know it.
Does telegram colocate or do they use dedicated hosting from some hosting provider themselves, because I thought that they colocated.
To be honest, both.
Thank you for your response, you did give me a pointer and I would love to know more man!
Yes, you are right. that's the conclusion I had too. I had a netcup server that was idling sometime ago so I am most likely going to pick netcup again but I am well familiar with good unmetered bandwidth hosts too thanks to this community and resources online so I don't really have much issue and I was just curious to ask this question :-)
A 100G AMS-IX port is 3k per month. Low cost IP transit is the same or less.
At lower port speeds cross connect costs dominate, so it doesn't matter if you are using peering or IP transit.
At the lower end of the scale it is cheaper to just buy IP transit. Peering isn't about cost savings anymore, it's more about lower latency, more control and redundancy.
Sounds good! Once you get the netcup setup, you will have better knowledge of how much bandwidth you actually use. If you prefer going with one of the smaller providers here on LET. It will help LET providers get a better idea of your usage and they can give you a better quote to meet your budget.
We generally do not ask providers for bandwidth discounts, but we are mindful about peering routes.
When we select a VPS to deploy an app that has heavy traffic to a specific destination, we would choose the VPS that has IX peering to that destination.
This not only lowers provider bandwidth costs, but also reduces congestion probabilities.
Why not go directly to the source, rather than rely on second hand information?
https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/62041
Interesting how they don't have Arelion or HE as a upstream for their EU but they have it for Americas.
https://bgp.tools/as/62041#upstreams
How much bandwidth per month are you expecting to push to/from Telegram?
Without looking too much into the matter, this is most likely due to Telegram EU being so densely peered in Europe that neither Arelion nor HE bring that much to the table. You go where your flows are when looking for an IP transit provider.
In the Americas an influencing factor may well be that Arelion has less of an incumbent status there and thus more likely to be amenable to offering reasonable terms. It is always good to play off your IP transit providers.
It's definitely a bandwidth intensive idea so I am overestimating but I would genuinely prefer something like 75-100TB+
My point is that my idea definitely feels quite bandwidth intensive that it made sense asking for this in lowendthread :-)
Yeah I guess so, US rely on T1 Carriers vs EU a lot can be done just by connecting it to one of the IX mentioned. There isn't really a central IX like AMS-IX or DE-CIX maybe NYIIX/DE-CIX NY or Equinix-IX.
It seems Telegram uses three locations, Miami US, Amsterdam NL and Singapore.
Not to forget IX.br in São Paulo, the biggest IXP in the world.
100 TB isn't anything out of the ordinary. I remember when 100TB Servers launches some 15 years ago. That made a big splash at the time.
yea, as many said before, source/destination based traffic accounting is in any case more expensive than your 100TB would be.
Also, it highly depends on which IX we are talking about when we make assumptions about any potential reduced cost.
Amsterdam has a lot of cheap exchanges, but AMS-IX isn't really one of them.
Hey there,
We may be able to help! Our VMs have unmetered bandwidth, for your use-case it may be easier for us to serve you out of our Nuremberg location, please shoot me a message and let's discuss your requirements!