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Hate speech itself is not illegal in a good democracy
Freedom of speech still exists outside Germany
I would say there is extremely deep gap between identifying yourself (could be even tie to an active LET account with some reputation and time spent on forum) vs doxxing yourself and sending ID / passport / driving licence with a selfie.
its about what they(or the future hackers..) do with that data. For a simple toy vps, giving your personal data, its simply not worth the risk. Its not the first time personal data is for grabs on the dark market. Renewing banks/passports/socialnumber costs way more time/reputation/risks etc... is it worth to give your data for this 7 dollar toy vps? I think its not.
Keep these dangerous pensioners calling politicians "Pinocchio" off the streets, they are the real threat not violent extremists blowing up the power grid or stabbing people
https://brusselssignal.eu/2026/02/german-police-launch-investigation-against-pensioner-for-calling-chancellor-merz-pinocchio-online/
Pinocchio need to come with his KYC, otherwise no toy vps.
Sometimes doing nothing is much better than doing something.
Let's take the example of email verification codes that are more and more imposed on every IP address change. I don't need that "feature" as I know how to pick a password and secure it properly but it's imposed because of people who make up passwords such as MyPetsNameMyYearOfBirth and every attempt of education about this has faild miserably as evidence will suggest.
But the "minor bullet" now causes me to constantly waste time copy/pasting verification codes to the point that you have to ask your ISP to rent you a vps just to avoid this and this is making my setup less secure as it's an additional attack surface. And if you travel your ip address changed so you better do KYC now and dance like a monkey flashing your ID and give us a selfie. This is just too paranoid and too stupid.
How about the lane assist technology in your car. Probably just a matter of time till it's made mandatory. But guess what, it actually kills people. "Minor bullet" here being that it's ok to risk my life because of people doing KYC seflies while they're driving because they don't know how to use passwords and someone concluded that it will on average save more people than it will kill.
This is simply false equivalence. Banning smoking is not harmful to non smokers but KYC can be very risky and harmful to non criminals like for example getting their identity stolen.
Sorry to pull this argument now but how far is this "accepting a minor bullet so that a broader circle of people will have a better life" suppose to go? Put it to extreme and we'll start talking about the "quality of life" ideology.
I am fine if Providers are genuinely suspicious about any activity from my side and if they support LET to understand that i am human.
But I can see how some people might not like it but yeah.
Either way, I absolutely hate the passport/any govt ID thing. Never sharing it to anyone unless some very large hosts like OVH/Hetzner for example and even then I'd not do that if possible but yeah.
I wouldn't even do it with them. It's only a matter of time before they (or their KYC providers) get hacked. It's just not worth it.
KYC madness! May be it's time to use common sense and stop KYC for $7 payments?
And only a matter of time before haveibeenpawned has a database of leaked KYC selfies.
Hi,
what makes you think that hate speech itself is not legal in germany?
Also in germany trash talkers have no issues with the law.
And with freedom of speech, you mean countries like the USA where Mr. trump refers to freedom of speech when he has his hate speeches, but if others say something bad about him, he announce to sue them ( like the example with the BBC )? Do you mean this democracy?
what makes you think that extremists blowing up power grid or stabbing people are not hunted by the police?
And as to this Pinocchio thing: I dont know if its true or not, both sources are actually unknown to me.
But in general, yes there is a law that is supposed to protect the honor of people. So if you insult/hurt their honor then this is against the law.
So if you prefer to live in a country where its perfectly fine that you are insulted in public hurting your honor without that you can do anything about it, then better not live in germany.
Maybe, if it helps, you can also complain about politicians with the police, and they are obliged by law to investigate.
I completely agree with you, its annoying like s****
On the other hand, handling fake orders, order scams, money scam and so on is nowadays a real problem for every company operating world wide ( which goes for basically any company offering online services ).
And since this all happens in anonymity the IP address and its GEO location, in combination with other data are a very very powerful tool to filter this.
So the minor bullet here is the fact that by doing so, companies have less expenses with fake orders/scam/what ever so that normal customers wont have to compensate this through higher prices.
Still... annoying like .... for everyone.
I had a test driving with a mazda 6e some months ago, aside of other issues, that car wanted to force me to have an ideal line within the lane ( being inside the lane was not enough, it wanted me to constantly stay in the middle of the lane ) by pulling on the steering wheel working against me.... thats just ridiculous... for sure one good example where regulation completely left any sense.
So i would make here a difference between something that is good in the sense it prevents or lowers the chance of something (much) more evil happening ( minor bullet )
and straight taking over control against your will without any useful good happening on the other hand. Of course the only correct answer is avoiding contact with that.
sure? If i am at the bus station and i have the choice to stay next to chimney smoker and enjoy his smoking or not staying at the bus station then i think its harmful. They die on cancer smoking... even with the filters on their cigarettes.. how much healthy do you think it is to inhale the smoke is without a filter? And while outside you might have space to get some distance. What about waiting at the doctor's waiting room? Or any (waiting) room.
A perfectly good point. In a fairytale world, where we would all base our actions on the goal of collaborating and bringing everyone forward in life, while no one will try to gain benefit at the cost of someone else, we would not need all this law/kyc/what ever stuff.
But, unfortunately thats not the case. So we need all this filters to regulate ( alias filter ) the worst doing of people who do not even try to aim for this fairytale world.
To answer your question straight: I have no idea. I would have to think a lot to come up with a general rule of thumb ( if ever i can up with some ).
And just before anyone gets it wrong:
We at layer7 doing no KYC. We do not want to have the data. We do not use the data. So we do not ask them. Luckily we are not (anymore) forced to collect them like it was in the past.
And this is, by the way, thanks to EU law that forbids to gather data you do not need to fulfill a contract. And thanks to that law everyone can force any company to delete their data and to tell you what data are stored about you.
I believe with OVH and Oneprovider there are ways to register and use your account without triggering KYC. Not sure about Hetzner because it's been a while since I've registered a new account. But I know that Netcup and Scaleway for sure requires you to complete KYC.
thread can be closed.
Hate that thing with all my life, just let me control my own car...
I hate KYC! We should resist against it!