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  • servuryservury Member, Patron Provider

    @slowservers said:
    This is pretty nice! A good competitor to SporeStack ;).

    Cloudflare everywhere is definitely not going to win a lot of trust by privacy minded folks.

    You'll want this to work over Tor, and ideally have a .onion.

    Most of my users pick the smallest servers offered. 1GB is good. 4GB is overkill for so much stuff, and too expensive.

    There's nothing about IPv6 there. You can offer a no-IPv4 discount, but I don't think they are very popular.

    The website is kind of laggy for me on my old laptop.

    Been in business with SporeStack since 2017. Fingers crossed, but no real DDoS in that time. I did put in rate limits for maximum numbers of invoices on brand new tokens and stuff like that. And there's constant script kiddies trying to exploit it like it's some PHP API (Python.)

    I think there's all kinds of Cloudflare alternatives, but the first step is addressing your own API, IMO.

    What alternatives have you found to Cloudflare exactly? I would love to replace it with something more private as much as you.

    As for Tor, Servury works over Tor just fine, we have a .onion and an I2P mirror.

    The ability to choose between IPv4 and IPv6 and how many of each is coming soon, this feature will be available on the budget plans I talked about.

    I personally use a modest ThinkPad T480 (Released in 2018) (libreboot debian btw) to operate Servury and I'm not experiencing any slowdowns.

  • @servury said:

    @slowservers said:
    This is pretty nice! A good competitor to SporeStack ;).

    Cloudflare everywhere is definitely not going to win a lot of trust by privacy minded folks.

    You'll want this to work over Tor, and ideally have a .onion.

    Most of my users pick the smallest servers offered. 1GB is good. 4GB is overkill for so much stuff, and too expensive.

    There's nothing about IPv6 there. You can offer a no-IPv4 discount, but I don't think they are very popular.

    The website is kind of laggy for me on my old laptop.

    Been in business with SporeStack since 2017. Fingers crossed, but no real DDoS in that time. I did put in rate limits for maximum numbers of invoices on brand new tokens and stuff like that. And there's constant script kiddies trying to exploit it like it's some PHP API (Python.)

    I think there's all kinds of Cloudflare alternatives, but the first step is addressing your own API, IMO.

    What alternatives have you found to Cloudflare exactly? I would love to replace it with something more private as much as you.

    You can try Bunny (aff/non-aff).

    Thanked by 1servury
  • I like the no accounts, Tor .onion site, and one day servers. I do not like your monthly rates, those are very high compared to LET BF annual offers.

  • servuryservury Member, Patron Provider

    @COLBYLICIOUS said:

    @servury said:

    @slowservers said:
    This is pretty nice! A good competitor to SporeStack ;).

    Cloudflare everywhere is definitely not going to win a lot of trust by privacy minded folks.

    You'll want this to work over Tor, and ideally have a .onion.

    Most of my users pick the smallest servers offered. 1GB is good. 4GB is overkill for so much stuff, and too expensive.

    There's nothing about IPv6 there. You can offer a no-IPv4 discount, but I don't think they are very popular.

    The website is kind of laggy for me on my old laptop.

    Been in business with SporeStack since 2017. Fingers crossed, but no real DDoS in that time. I did put in rate limits for maximum numbers of invoices on brand new tokens and stuff like that. And there's constant script kiddies trying to exploit it like it's some PHP API (Python.)

    I think there's all kinds of Cloudflare alternatives, but the first step is addressing your own API, IMO.

    What alternatives have you found to Cloudflare exactly? I would love to replace it with something more private as much as you.

    You can try Bunny (aff/non-aff).

    Well we don't actually proxy traffic through Cloudflare, we only use Cloudflare Turnstile, but I just did some research and I found Altcha, I'll be implementing it today.

  • servuryservury Member, Patron Provider

    @KnightHider said:
    I like the no accounts, Tor .onion site, and one day servers. I do not like your monthly rates, those are very high compared to LET BF annual offers.

    I'm racking some servers in Montreal this week to offer budget friendly plans like I said. Stay tuned.

  • slowserversslowservers Member, Host Rep

    @servury said:
    What alternatives have you found to Cloudflare exactly? I would love to replace it with something more private as much as you.

    I haven't used Cloudflare or anything similar with SporeStack. Back when SporeStack's backend was hosted on Vultr, I had it fairly proxied (you were never talking directly with the API node.) I did have DDoS mitigation turned on with the proxies, but never noticed anything. Now it's just one VPS on Slow Servers. I will probably setup a failover VPS, but serious attacks have never been a problem. And anything to do with mass invoice creation, etc, I've been able to just tune out. So it still is a denial of service attack if someone exceeds my unpaid invoice threshold (for brand new tokens) -- but I cap the limit, the attacker goes away, and people make invoices again.

    One thing I do is I make invoices go away faster if unpaid than paid. And I could tune that as well, to be shorter lived or longer lived.

    It is possible to have stateless invoices as well, that only provision once a payment is made (and an endpoint is polled.) I used to have it like that. I'm not sure if that would work with an external payment processor.

    As far as tokens go, you can also wait to put them in your database till there's a payment. A token can just be a unique identifier that it always valid, can be generated client side, or assigned after the first invoice.

    Of course allowing small payment invoices attracts a lot of abuse! I used to have it so that you could pay in Bitcoin and get a server directly without a token step, but it attracted too many issues. I've settled, for now, on a $100 buy-in. When it was $25 the abuse flooded in a lot faster.

    Now if SporeStack gets attacked with a million packet per second flood, things will go down I just figure after 9 years of no trouble, I'll deal with it if I encounter it.

    As for Tor, Servury works over Tor just fine, we have a .onion and an I2P mirror.

    Oh, my bad. I see!

    The ability to choose between IPv4 and IPv6 and how many of each is coming soon, this feature will be available on the budget plans I talked about.

    Very nice!

    I personally use a modest ThinkPad T480 (Released in 2018) (libreboot debian btw) to operate Servury and I'm not experiencing any slowdowns.

    My laptop is about a decade older than that, or very nearly ;). The T480 is nice, but it's a shame they don't have a barrel charging port.

  • servuryservury Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 9

    @slowservers said:

    @servury said:
    What alternatives have you found to Cloudflare exactly? I would love to replace it with something more private as much as you.

    I haven't used Cloudflare or anything similar with SporeStack. Back when SporeStack's backend was hosted on Vultr, I had it fairly proxied (you were never talking directly with the API node.) I did have DDoS mitigation turned on with the proxies, but never noticed anything. Now it's just one VPS on Slow Servers. I will probably setup a failover VPS, but serious attacks have never been a problem. And anything to do with mass invoice creation, etc, I've been able to just tune out. So it still is a denial of service attack if someone exceeds my unpaid invoice threshold (for brand new tokens) -- but I cap the limit, the attacker goes away, and people make invoices again.

    One thing I do is I make invoices go away faster if unpaid than paid. And I could tune that as well, to be shorter lived or longer lived.

    It is possible to have stateless invoices as well, that only provision once a payment is made (and an endpoint is polled.) I used to have it like that. I'm not sure if that would work with an external payment processor.

    As far as tokens go, you can also wait to put them in your database till there's a payment. A token can just be a unique identifier that it always valid, can be generated client side, or assigned after the first invoice.

    Of course allowing small payment invoices attracts a lot of abuse! I used to have it so that you could pay in Bitcoin and get a server directly without a token step, but it attracted too many issues. I've settled, for now, on a $100 buy-in. When it was $25 the abuse flooded in a lot faster.

    Now if SporeStack gets attacked with a million packet per second flood, things will go down I just figure after 9 years of no trouble, I'll deal with it if I encounter it.

    As for Tor, Servury works over Tor just fine, we have a .onion and an I2P mirror.

    Oh, my bad. I see!

    The ability to choose between IPv4 and IPv6 and how many of each is coming soon, this feature will be available on the budget plans I talked about.

    Very nice!

    I personally use a modest ThinkPad T480 (Released in 2018) (libreboot debian btw) to operate Servury and I'm not experiencing any slowdowns.

    My laptop is about a decade older than that, or very nearly ;). The T480 is nice, but it's a shame they don't have a barrel charging port.

    I don't even proxy traffic through Cloudflare currently - I only use their turnstile, but - and I'm very proud of this - I'm migrating to self-hosted Altcha as we speak. Should be up and running by the end of the day.

    The moment I saw it was possible to set the proof-of-work algo to Argon2id, I knew I had to give it a try - at least I know for sure it would be computationally expensive to spam create tickets / new accounts, as for actual DDoS - I think it's pretty much impossible to truly prevent it without proxying traffic through Cloudflare or Bunny - unless I would have a comical amount of bandwidth - which would subsequently allow the site to handle DDoS attacks AKA being my own Cloudflare/Bunny.

    As far as abuse goes on Servury - I auto-suspend servers which are responsible for abuse reports (I only treat requests from important authorities) and I have never had any complaints from users - nor have I ever had any IPs blacklisted.

    My laptop is about a decade older than that, or very nearly ;). The T480 is nice, but it's a shame they don't have a barrel charging port.

    What's keeping you from getting an upgrade?
    What's wrong with USB-C charging?

    Thanked by 1slowservers
  • slowserversslowservers Member, Host Rep

    @servury said:
    What's keeping you from getting an upgrade?
    What's wrong with USB-C charging?

    Though it's slow, it's adequate. The CFFL backlit screen seems easier on the eyes, at least compared to early LED backlit, like the X230. I was using the X230 for a while, but the screen flicker is really bad. Many sites are still plenty fast, I just notice it on the ones that are heavier.

    The problem with the T-480 is that the USB-C port is part of the motherboard. It's a much flimsier connector, so it'll break eventually and make it useless without a new motherboard. The barrel connectors are much more robust, and I don't see any reason to require a data format with charging.

    That said, type C is convenient and cool to be able to plug a phone into the same charger.

    I think the T-470 doesn't have type C, and might have a good screen. Maybe one day.

    Thanked by 1servury
  • servuryservury Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 10

    @aphex said:
    Since you chose to skip over my post I will reiterate no ai slop.

    You site is first touch point you have with a customer.

    • You advertise privacy and yet leak every visitor to both Cloudflare and third-party Flagcdn for emojis or PNGs that would cost nothing to serve local (and don't mention that you send visitor traffic to Flagcdn in privacy policy)
    • You advertise privacy and load Stripe to start tracking immediately on every page rather than only sandbox it to checkout if you don't pick crypto
    • You have a static image of a 5 star Trust-Pilot when you click through and it's 3 star.
    • Front page: Address Montreal, QC
    • TOS: These terms are governed by the laws of the State of Delaware, United States. Any disputes shall be resolved in the courts of Delaware.
    • Front page: Registered in Canada
    • TOS: Company: YBC Holdings
    • Front page: Company: Avalanche Systems
    • Light mode is unusable with light orange on light yellow on white, ask your LLM what a WCAG colour contrast ratio is
    • There is nothing in the API sidebar that is correct or even matches the API route

    I'd like to "re-reply" to your suggestions, because I believe I've fixed/implemented all of them.

    • I've replaced Cloudflare turnstile with Altcha, an open-source, self-hosted, proof-of-work captcha.
    • Flag images are now self hosted instead of being fetched from FlagCDN
    • Stripe is now only loaded when credit cards are selected as a payment method
    • Address discrepancy already fixed
    • Misleading Trustpilot badge removed
    • API docs page fixed

    I'm still working on improving the light mode, though I might remove it entirely.
    I'm also going to push out a no-JS version of the site in the coming days.

    As for AI slop, can you specify exactly what? Are you talking about the AI-generated blog post images? If that's the case, sure, I'll remove them.

    Those were really good suggestions and I would love to hear more from you.

  • PacketraOliverPacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

    @servury said:

    @CyberneticTitan said:
    After you exhaust your "full-speed" data usage (i.e. 1TB @ 1Gbps) you should be able to fall back to unmetered @ 5Mbps or something. Even mobile plans do this.

    I don't see any reason not to offer that, I'll write it down.

    This is actually a brilliant idea, I understand it's for Servury but this is a brilliant idea that could be easily adapted with some tinkering, which is strange seeing how Mobile providers do this for years..

  • forestforest Member
    edited March 11

    @servury said:

    @CyberneticTitan said:
    After you exhaust your "full-speed" data usage (i.e. 1TB @ 1Gbps) you should be able to fall back to unmetered @ 5Mbps or something. Even mobile plans do this.

    I don't see any reason not to offer that, I'll write it down.

    Give more than 5 Mbps. If you would otherwise have done unmetered, then just downgrade to a lower (but still adequate) speed. Some people might be totally fine with 100 Mbps and don't need to burst higher, so please give an option for, say, 1 Gbps @ 5 TB/month then downgrade to 100 Mbps unmetered. Because if you offered fair-use unmetered or guaranteed unmetered at 100 Mbps, I'd definitely consider buying, but I wouldn't buy if you offered 1 Gbps @ 5 TB/month then 5 Mbps.

  • forestforest Member
    edited March 11

    @servury Your ToS is internally inconsistent. You say that you can use the service for any lawful purpose, but then state that the service will be terminated without refund for legal activities. For example, as written, your ToS would imply that it's fine to run a Tor exit relay. After all, that is legal, and you do say that "VPN and privacy tools" are allowed.

    However, you also say that abuse reports from your upstreams will result in immediate service termination, and Tor exits result in abuse reports. As exits are legal, usually all you need to do is reply to the report stating that the service is an exit and that you are operating as a transit provider and reiterating that neither you nor your customer are legally responsible for any traffic being relayed. There are cases where a notice is valid yet you don't have to do anything but respond.

    Some other miscellaneous suggestions about your website:

    • Tone down the AI slop. All the text seems to be AI-generated. That alone puts many people off.
    • Since you emphasize "zero logs" so often, please get a 3rd party audit. You may be logging without realizing it.
    • Be clear that it's only you that won't monitor traffic flows and that your upstreams might (and probably do).

    Some suggestions about your VPSes themselves:

    • If your CPU supports it, enable AMD SEV-SNP or, at the very least, TSME.
    • Give options for cheaper and lower-spec VPSes, for example 1 core, 2 GB RAM, 10 GB disk, 100 Mbps port.
    • Support viewing serial output in the VPS control dashboard to make debugging kernel panics easier.
    • In QEMU, enable virtio-rng, the virtual i6300esb watchdog, and turn on the seccomp sandbox, chroot, and privdrop.

    Also, some links are broken on your onion domain (which seems to redirect to a login, not the real homepage?). For example, http://rvuhm67rersmdqxahljuznmth37aeghwyjxp4tbyxbm75wydhkdqwkyd.onion/privacy/ which is linked directly.

    Thanked by 2buggedout servury
  • servuryservury Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 13

    @forest said:
    @servury Your ToS is internally inconsistent. You say that you can use the service for any lawful purpose, but then state that the service will be terminated without refund for legal activities. For example, as written, your ToS would imply that it's fine to run a Tor exit relay. After all, that is legal, and you do say that "VPN and privacy tools" are allowed.

    However, you also say that abuse reports from your upstreams will result in immediate service termination, and Tor exits result in abuse reports. As exits are legal, usually all you need to do is reply to the report stating that the service is an exit and that you are operating as a transit provider and reiterating that neither you nor your customer are legally responsible for any traffic being relayed. There are cases where a notice is valid yet you don't have to do anything but respond.

    Some other miscellaneous suggestions about your website:

    • Tone down the AI slop. All the text seems to be AI-generated. That alone puts many people off.
    • Since you emphasize "zero logs" so often, please get a 3rd party audit. You may be logging without realizing it.
    • Be clear that it's only you that won't monitor traffic flows and that your upstreams might (and probably do).

    Some suggestions about your VPSes themselves:

    • If your CPU supports it, enable AMD SEV-SNP or, at the very least, TSME.
    • Give options for cheaper and lower-spec VPSes, for example 1 core, 2 GB RAM, 10 GB disk, 100 Mbps port.
    • Support viewing serial output in the VPS control dashboard to make debugging kernel panics easier.
    • In QEMU, enable virtio-rng, the virtual i6300esb watchdog, and turn on the seccomp sandbox, chroot, and privdrop.

    Also, some links are broken on your onion domain (which seems to redirect to a login, not the real homepage?). For example, http://rvuhm67rersmdqxahljuznmth37aeghwyjxp4tbyxbm75wydhkdqwkyd.onion/privacy/ which is linked directly.

    OK. It should be possible to run Tor exit nodes with the new hardware I'll have in Montreal next week. The new servers are racked and everything - but I'm working on a new, enhanced version of the site which should work with Tor Browser's maximum security level, currently called Servury Lite, it can be accessed via https://servury.com/lite/ or by simply adding /lite/ at the end of the onion / i2p domain.

    It is currently very minimal, but it's a work in progress.

    As I said before, there will be budget VPS options available on the Montreal servers. IPv6 only, etc.

    I've written down the suggestions you wrote, I think they're great ideas. As for the broken onion link, the issue is fixed, it has to do with the lite version of the site being in active development and sort of in a "beta" state.

    Thanked by 1xms
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