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Neutral carrier ?
How DMCA is relevant here?
as relevant as it is also part of the additional non paid administration done for governments.
Often KYC is forced by their payment providers. I had it severaltimes with CoinGate or Cryptomus :C
Hi,
tough, multidimensional political topic. Easily done in LET :-)
If politicians do nothing, people complain about companies selling data, social scoring and non-lawful behavior of people being protected by anonymity ( racism, insulting, social harassment, child abuse, .... )
If politicians do something, people complain about politicians limiting the freedom.
Well.... i am not saying that its good whats going on there law wise.
But i am saying that doing nothing is also no solution.
In fact, technological development is currently too fast for human. Too fast for human society. Too fast for human law. Too fast for psychological / social adjustment.
Within the last 30.000 years ( or so, dont know =0 ) we learned to make fire and come out of our caves and learn howto cultivate / domisticate country and animal ( alias farming ).
In the last 100 years we learned howto go into industrial mass production.
In the last 30-40 years we learned howto scale this all globally and build up global supplychain's and f*** up what ever in a global scale.
In the last 10 years we learned about social "online" living and being globally present as an individual person.
And since the last 1-2 years we do not even know if we look at a fake picture / video or even talking with or reading a human.
Think about the time span's human had before... to adjust themself ( they psychological "this is me" ) and somehow sync it with the world they live in.
And look how much time there is now.
I do not wonder why at this rate of elemental changes in how our world works, more and more people become crazy and doing crazy stuff. Actually i wonder why other people do not wonder.
And i wonder why people think that in this all craziness less rules would actually help the normal joe.
Our world is becoming more complex by every second. People can not keep up with the development in fact.
I do not see why less rules in a more complex world with more and more people living in there should be of any help.
At the same time i believe that it makes not much sense that a part of the world has strong dataprotection/KYC/DMCA/.... while the other part does not care about it ( too much ).
At the end of the day: Doing nothing is wrong. Doing something will always have some people complaining about it. We are 8 billions ( or how much?! ) living on this planet... obviously there will be always people that are against what ever. But even this people should think about that there is a reason why this law exist, and maybe one person has to accept a minor bullet so that a broader circle of people will have a better life. Like for example forbidding to smoke or, yes ( sorry, truth hurts ), KYC...
Is it so complicated? I'm just not buying vps from providers that require kyc. If someday that means I can't buy any vps at all I may have to rethink it but in the meantime I'm just not dealing with bullshit sorry.
No DMCA only YMCA
before the WO2 the dutch registered their citizens their religions, they thought it was a good idea. sort of KYC 0.1
The new owners of netherlands (1940-1945) liked their adminstration very much...
1. Government could "make" the problem, so they could offer the solution
2. Government could make a solution, which creates another problem
3. Government cannot be held accountable for the problem it created
Democracy dies in ...
ignor
right on! government creates always more government.
You can have a good time and hang out with all the boys?
Anyone worried about KYC then look for providers that take cryptocurrencies on their own, not via a third party.
Pretty much anyone that takes card payments or most european providers taking crypto via a third party service are going to be KYCing you.
@layer7 for the latter part of your post.
We, as a human developed a way to learn by transferring knowledge and even formally develop something called school.
Try to read this if you think current kids sucks at fundamental level
https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-93429-3
In contrast to both its milder cousin and the classical view of knowl-
edge, radical social constructivism does not believe that we can come to
know how the world is, or most likely is, constituted through rational
reasoning and the empirical, evidence-based scientific method. The reason
is that radical social constructivism, at the very least, holds that truth
claims cannot be measured against an objective reality because such a
reality will always be unknowable due to our inherently partial perspec-
tives. As one account of this radical epistemology explains, “The scientific
method, in particular, is not seen as a better way of producing and legit-
imizing knowledge than any other, but as one cultural approach among
many, as corrupted by biased reasoning as any other.” 43 However, other
interpretations suggest that radical social constructivism is even more
uncompromising than that, positing that objects and phenomena can, in
fact, change depending on the ways in which we think and talk about
them and how we choose to determine knowledge and truth. 44 The
conclusion is nevertheless the same, namely, that there are no real truths.
This reliance on radical social constructivist epistemology is what
enables postmodernists to claim, as we have seen, that the quest to
establish knowledge is nothing more than an attempt to further the
power of dominant groups. It also explains why postmodernists argue
that we should interrogate the shared language and concepts of society
and subvert traditionally understood boundaries, such as the boundary
between the objective and the subjective.45 Moreover, this radically social
constructivist epistemological underpinning leads postmodernists to take
a very specific view of teaching and education.
Perhaps the most elementary and important principle in this view is
that the students themselves—not the teacher—should direct the learning
process in the classroom. The reasoning is that because there are no
objectively existing facts, there is no knowledge that can be legitimately
transferred from teacher to student. Any attempt by a teacher to do
so would, in effect, be an act of indoctrination and unwarranted social
control,46 as would any effort to correct children’s mistakes or maintain
a structured classroom environment conducive to learning in the classical
sense. 47 Similarly, because there is no way to objectively measure what
students know, traditional assessment and grading practices are considered
to be inherently judgmental and ideological. 48
Instead, the postmodern social constructivist view of teaching holds,
students must be free to determine their own knowledge and reality,
building on personal life experiences rather than culturally prescribed
truths, and find their own ways of studying and monitoring their progress.
Students should, in this view, also be encouraged to independently
deconstruct dominant discourses in different fields—science, history, art,
etc.—through collaborative verbal discussions and the development of
critical thinking. In contrast to the classical view, critical thinking is here
regarded as a general skill that can be acquired, and indeed exercised,
without possessing domain-specific knowledge, for instance, through
comparing diverse sources of information, evaluating arguments, and
exposing hidden agendas.49
Anyway, why do I think less rules would benefit average joe? Because the average joe need to know these rules, as to not cross the red lines and realized that someone else had broken it.
Amen
We do at boloxmedia.co.uk. we ignor everything.
What is the big deal about identifying yourself to the company providing you hosting services?
They are taking a non-trivial risk providing you service, given that you can spam, trash their IPs, host CSAM, and make all kinds of mess. It's a "$7 toy VPS" to you but a bigger risk to them.
It's never bothered me to identify myself to a hosting provider.
Deal is how do they handle my data! Do they actually delete my ID's after verification? Whats happens if the hosting provider shuts down? What happens if they get hacked or something?
I agree, and I'm fine giving my passport to some services, but it shouldn't be the norm or legally required to have to do KYC to use a hosting/web service.. it's invasive. We shouldn't blindly trust every company that wants a copy of or IDs, even if they say they aren't saved, even if they're using a third party service to verify, you never know what is actually done. And from my experience after taking lots of crypto with no KYC, almost nobody has malicious intentions. Most are from countries you can't verify anyways like RU, CN, IQ, IR, etc. Fake IDs are trivial to get online and with AI image generation it'll surely get super easier. (Edit: this just means more phone services that require face and bum scans to verify identity sadly!)
Maybe i'm very lucky, or don't know.. but I not remember when any VPS provider requested KYC from me. I always provide real data, when create accounts, not using VPN when sign up/sign in. Pay with PayPal or card only (no crypto). When pay with cards, the cards on my name (matches with account details). Using a personal email address for account creation, for Paypal payments ([email protected]).
Domain registrars is a different case:
I guess I misunderstood what people meant by KYC. I wouldn't upload my ID or passport to anyone. Giving them my name, address, phone, email, etc. is fine.
For that matter, I've opened brokerageank/bank accounts and was not required to upload an ID or passport.
Same. I've never been asked to upload ID and I've used dozens of providers.
Same.
Usually providing government ID, passport, or utility bills is what I think of "KYC", since it's needed to verify your billing address is really one you reside at.
KYC involves sending your government ID and passport to some crappy summerhost. Even if it's sent to Stripe, the host can see that information in the Stripe dashboard. Giving a name? Sure. Giving your passport with all the details? Nah, not doing it.
YMCA ignor
Startup fintechs pays up to 50 EUR to get users registered and KYC'ed. Basically they buy users identity. Here, hosting "provider" just get this data for free + user pays to submit their personal documents. This is something out of this world.
On other note: faking gov ID is illegal in most countries. "Provider" should not be concerned if ID is fake or not. If gov entity will demand all data - "provider" provides it and only gov entities problem is to validate authenticity of ID. Capish?
That's for money laundering, because people who use crypto are the baddies you know.
Also if you use cash, you are a criminal.
The KYC right now, is for something else.
If any hosting provider, wants my ID, they don't get it.
UK wants to ban VPN's after forcing KYC, so prob. they wanna force KYC for servers or VPN's next, gonna be ugly.
I never bother about KYC as I believe that the payment information is even more sensitive.
Besides crypto or the likes (which I don't use), paying with paypal/CC or anything requiring your bank account, don't you think that's enough evidence to determine you as a person (in the sense of law enforcement)?
For me it's actually a positive idea to get rid of all shady people (and there are plenty on the internet) meaning less noise neighbors and possibly better support for me.
Sending the passport or any id is questionable, otoh, if I believe my host is actually trustworthy, no problem for me. If not, then hell no, wouldn't use them
This but exception to large companies I need to use. OVH didn’t require my passport but if they did I would porbably provide it.
To a LET host though? Nah.
pre-KYC'ed my-self and pointing to this thread:
I ran into similar situation the KYC was being enforced by BitPay, we dumped that gateway, actually BitPay is the worst today, on checkout they may as well ask you your undie's size.
Usually KYC stops me, If I am buying anything, if i have to go through rigorous KYC I just drop it unless it's something I see myself requiring for years to come i.e Binance then I will obviously go through it, but it bothers me all the KYC everywhere.
We allow our clients to register anonymously or as anonymous as they can, given what payment method they choose but if they go crypto they they are fully anonymous in our system. All we ask is, provide a working monitored email that can receive invoices and notifications and that is it. Maybe worth noting though we do allow normal signup for those who also wish to set their account properly with information they want appearing on invoices. I wish everyone allowed this.
I think we all know that they don't delete the data, anyone remember the Discord hack, I recall them saying its just to verify some data then it's removed, yeah the 70k user ID photos leak tells a different story. Some may remove the data but I think in this modern day and age so many of them say it but they never do.