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It's kind of a sprawling thing that also has a bunch of tweaks to minimize the site, and its like 99% claude code written, but I can share it if you really want
Yes. I'm going to add multi-follow feature so I don't miss deals from other hosts. Perhaps insta-view too
Hah, alright. I'll export it and upload it somewhere, maybe tomorrow... still changing stuffs
Just use any AI to scrap the hostc discussion and comments page.
Then put conditional to get notification (in ntfy/telegram or whatever) if there is an order link embedded (excluding links under quotes).
If you are unsure, just write the above as instructions and then give some hostc deal links for AI to analyse.
It will give notification for only deals and NOT for those useless maintenence comments.
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Waiting for @host_c to start hiding his deal links in pictures now
Here you go, as I said, fair warning its a lot of claude code that's been barely if at all actually reviewed, prepare for ai randomness and bugs.
https://pastebin.com/H4AW65i0
currently has a reading pane option and push notifications for the host_c stuff via pushover, along with all the minimal ui stuff. I've only tested it on firefox on linux using tampermonkey, for what that's worth.
@host_c, are you there? After reading @PulsedMedia blog posts, kind of interested how real-life decay vs book amortization works out
is it time for a @host_c search party!?!?
Yes. Let's start with raising ticket on host-c.com. Just to remind you, the last time an active host in LET doesn't revisit this site for 3 days, they sold their entire operation.
You give me goose bumps. Terrible comparison... you know...
Of course we should celebrate his turn back with an awesome deal party.
@host_c all the best, we love you
Terrible comparison, yes. However, we should be cautious. Perhaps they got kidnapped by HDD cartel
Man, do we monitor the prices on that.
A bit busy here this week, sorry fellas
NP. How's the HDD price there? Here, there's minor increase
hmm, not much the last 2 weeks, we shall see how it goes.
My supplier told me that sales are on standby for now, I told him, no shit, really? no one pays 2-5x the price of stuff? wow, what an observation.
It works! Glorious.
Yeah, on other news belden cat6 somehow got increased by 40%.
Now, back to my reason lookin for you. I would like to know the realllife amortization vs book value, as I'm trying to refine the calculations on hyperscaler capex, opex, and amortization related to AI (beside the GPU economy). As an example, PulsedMedia said on their blog the cabling deteriorate over time, with expected to be totally replaced within 20 years. How about other hardwares? Like CPU, PSU, UPS, HVAC, etc.
Maybe I should open a help thread with this subject
Ooooooh tos changes. @host_c i am here for the dramas
well, that is a complex one.
My insight:
Cabling:
Optics don't die, yet the plastic in the pig tails do, so you will have to change them, but that issue is mostly for outdoor, indoor, 10 years, maybe more??? if you use HQ connectors with Zirconium ceramics, I think they will outlasts us all.
CAT5/6 cables usually last decades, yet the patch cord's don't. So depending on ho much they are plugged / unplugged, moved, bent, I would change them each 5 YRS, they are consumables.
Cabling wise, if we talk about cabling my own dc/building, this can go to structural expense, and that is a 7 year amortization. At least in my eyes.
Patch cords are not part of that, they are considered 1 time use, yet if I buy 1000 of them, I would put them to 2 years amortization.
CPU: if they run HOT, they can die easily, yet, you will change them in 3-5 YRS, as the market will demand newer CPU.
Amortization here, 2-3 years max.
PSU: part of the server, and server goes with the CPU so 2-3 years.
UPS: batteries will wear out ( last below 50% of initial time/charge ) in 3-4 years if they are Lead Acid based ( even if solid ) so by the 4'th year you are fuked. 4 years amortization.
HVAC: will need yearly maintenance, and depending on model, size, it can be a very costly expense / year. Initial install 7-10 years, yet again, highly dependent on acquisition $$, model and size. Chillers can run for 20+ years if they re maintained, classic AC units not so much, maybe 7 Years.
hyperscaler - I know that big businesses like OVH or other are not hyperscalers in a true sense of the word, like google, aws or msft, yet all of them will have a 2-3 year amortization rule for what they consider up to date or active hardware.
Basic rule is that I can use HW for 4-5 years, as in the first part of the lifecycle, when it is "new" I can earn more as it is a newer toy, hence i can make the math for 24-36 moths, the later part of the lifecycle I will earn less, but that will also give me more profit, hence I can lower the price on it as it is less attractive but since I cashed in the initial expense, that less is my profit.
After year 5 it is a gamble, it get's to the point that it really depends if the HW is good enough for simple stuff, then I might keep it, if it is slow, I will ditch it and start the cycle again.
But 24-36 moths is the max ( 36 for the latest gen stuff, 24 for the mid range stuff and 12 for simple desktop stuff - the later does not last as much as it is a..... desktop system )
@rpqu, not that there is a difference in expenses that are for the long-run use stuff, like HAVAC, BUILDING, CABLES, SWITHCES, ROUTERES, UPS and the actual active stuff you use to make $$, the actual stuff degrades faster as all folks wish Ryzen 69 in 5 years.
There is a difference of what can you legally do in your books, and what should you do as the lifecycle is totally different versus the amortization time. I indulge the later one, put real amortization values, or as close as reality as that way, when you change them, no IRS can comment that you wrote 7 YRS in your books and you changed it after 5 Years as it got slow and unusable.
Hope I replayed you, if not, ping me, maybe I got the question wrong.
We updated it.
Nothing dramatic though, we mostly clarified a few policies and extended the unpaid service deletion window by an additional 10 days to give customers more time to resolve payment issues, yet we also enforced some other rules to combat abuse and fraud, especially the later one.
We also modified the e-mail that we send out on reinstall and provisioning as a result of a thread here on LET:
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Host: 127.0.0.1
User: the-boss
Password: who's-your-baby?
We recommend changing the initial root password after your first login, either directly within the VPS or through the administrative tools available in the client panel.
For improved security, we also strongly recommend configuring one of the following authentication methods:
• SSH key-based login
• Two-factor authentication using tools such as libpam-google-authenticator or similar OTP solutions
So????
Popcorn anyone???
No more crypto mining! There’s gotta be at least one person upset about that one right?!? Cmonnnnn
Why on earth would I mine crypto on a scale gen 2??? ( I will not mention the E5-V4 ).
XMR can barly push 2–6 kH/s on a silver/gold but does 12-20 kH/s on a high end Ryzen.
It is not 2019, crypto is not what it used to be, and AI will take the focus away from it.
If I would do any mining today, it would be on ASIC, definitely not GPU or CPU and most definetely not on a VPS/VDS, so yeah, I took it out.
EDIT:
@AlteredParadox
We specialize in large storage services, not cutting-edge CPU performance, if someone wants the latest generation CPUs there are many excellent providers here on LET for that.
If you want reliable storage capacity with good performance, that’s our focus. That's our game.
Oh I totally agree, I just feel like there’s gotta be at least one who was doing it, it’s LET! Cmonnnn 🤣
You might want to better secure all your servers mate. Your credentials are now public.
So, most of the server+UPS itself is rated for 3Y. If they're not broken, they could be used again (as in silicon gacha). While the cable, switches, routers, HVAC is 7-10Y.
Thank you very much for the insight. As you know, I'm trying to measure the viability and fiscal pressure experienced by hyperscaler, as they pushed hard for AI LLM, which caused the ramflation. Large chunk of this assets (2025-2026), particularly the GPUs is going to depreciate hard from generational improvement of HBM and addition of in-board memory staging area with Grace "CPU" which managed tons of low-voltage memory for the GPU.
PS:
Alert me if futurumgroup.com is a fake news
I really don't see the future evolution of AI dependent on GPU and CPU ( x86 based ), sincerely, it is like Crypto, as the models get more and more complex, and they do, you will need ASIC's very soon ( some use this already, yet I will put these to V1.1 at the moment ). I mean, you can run basic LLM on cpu and GPU, but complex models will hit a computational barrier. They suffer from latency issues as most moved to NVLink, NVSwitch, Infiniband, RoCE, yet I think this will change also, why? they need more.
I just wish to share my view on the AI Boom/Bubble:
Raw power is one aspect, you also need something lightning fast to access storage and the rest of the parts of the system.
Data movement is the real problem, or the second after processing power.
They eat RAM like popcorn on a good movie night ( or a LET shit-show
) as for the moment the technology is not mature enough/is pretty new, so RAM is the only way to store stuff for fast access, I see that this will change, at least it has to, as it is very inefficient.
On what technologies do large companies bet for AI? I have no clue, but I don't think for near future is x86 based systems, they are very inefficient for this.
It is all fun and games for RAM and Storage manufacturers this year, but they will also have to do something, as the general population will not take the price hikes indefinitely. I doubt that this can drag on for years, that would be pure stupidity, yet ...... I might not be the smartest elephant in the room.
Host: 127.0.0.1
User: the-boss
Password: who's-your-baby?
There you go, fixed, it is with BOLD characters and the password is ITALIC, so beat that
With a bit of luck the ai bubble will blow up soon and the market will be flooded with all the memory, disks, etc, when they try to save what little of investments can be saved.