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man, @JabJab really gonna scream about sue now.
Come on bro i need some storage for my linux mirrors
those services are like 2x /24, hence the "party show that will follow here", so stock up on popcorn fellas, shit ain't even started.
Also, almost none replayed to tickets and notifications sent out to update contact details ( that started in 2024 ), the amount of customers named 12345 is astonishing, well, that will also end, finally.
I personally did not want to give any option to migrate as that mail is a termination mail/notification not an upgrade path or recommendation, yet then everyone would said that I am pure evil, yet I thought let's give some that wish an option, now that I did give that option, I am still evil - see the irony ???
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this job.
@liu8308402 - I will give you a reply here, as probably you are not the first nor the last to think that.
You’re not wrong; we did change the rules over the past year, and most probably will change in the future also to keep up with the the surroundings, I think that most do the same it is the sane thing to do.
But those changes didn’t happen because we felt like it, or because we enjoy instability. They happened as a direct response to extreme abuse levels, fraud attempts, and people treating low-cost services like they bought the right to trash the network for everyone else.
And no, we are not stopping. This is a continuous battle.
Because the alternative is letting abusers ruin the experience for legitimate customers — and that will never be acceptable.
We also made multiple announcements years ago (2024-2025) asking customers to clean up their account data and provide valid details. Almost nobody listened. That’s why those accounts were terminated at billing end. - and continue to be set to be terminated at billing end.
The customers who complied/corrected the info? They are still with us today.
As for the “price increase” topic: this has been massively misrepresented and misunderstood, mostly because many people didn’t open tickets and instead relied on forum rumors and half-information from others who didn’t read the actual notifications. - not my problem if you take your service info from "trusted" chat or other.
Price increase of the same service? really??? same service?? same platform??
That is not what happened.
In 2025, customers of many E5-V4 VPS services had the option to migrate to the new platform. Some took it, many didn’t. Then things changed rapidly in late 2025 and early 2026, and we were forced to end two heavily subsidized legacy plans early — even though they were originally announced in June/July 2025 as lasting until April 2027.
That is no longer financially sustainable. We will not subsidize those plans anymore. ( tho we do for the past 2-3 months under current circumstances just to give the possibility for those affected to take their stuff wherever they wish )
The email sent out regarding the Pioneer and Nimitz plans is not an “upgrade offer”.
It is a termination notice, with roughly 85 days notice given.
We left one optional path for affected customers who want to stay with us. They can take it or not — either way is fine.
But to be crystal clear, so there is no confusion:
The E5-v4 platform Pioneer/Nimitz plans will be powered off and permanently wiped on 1st May 2026.
If you are unsure about anything, I strongly recommend translating this message into your own language using a high-quality AI translator, so there is no misunderstanding.
This will be my last input on this subject.
I just want to say that I have been a customer since early 2024 (Pioneer sale), time sure goes by fast! Have upgraded to Gen 2 in the meantime and never had any issues. Stellar service (and value of course)! Thanks for being a great provider
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Currently reworking my nodes into an off site backup for my NAS with Garage (and NixOS because why go outside). If my house burns down I still have my family pictures.
Been super happy with my pioneers and various other deals as well - was excited to take the upgrades to the new platform early on and the cost was reasonable... just finished getting my main box setup as a backup repo for both a bunch of proxmox vms and a backup target for all my other idlers. Fun stuff!
Pioneer and Nimitz plans Where such value for money
AFAIC I'd welcome a law that only products that are physically in stock of the seller or known to be on their way to them may be sold, period.
I took my question here not to pollute the other thread. ( if you have the time
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Both pints are valid.
Question to @jsg, so you would welcome some type of regulation on the dropp-shipping sales? ( not necessarily drop-shiping in the whole sens of the word, yet I see you got my point )
A simple yes or now is enough os just a short repy, I just wish to get an opinion from you, @rpqu - I also invite your opinion on this, as both points are valid, I wish to see the why of your reply.
Cheers!
Hey @host_c. Thanks for inviting me to discuss this.
Coincidentally, one of the tier 1 distributor/MD/AD salespersons took their time to visit me... As they have much free time doing nothing after exhausting nearly all of their stock.
So, we had a chit-chat on current situation, sharing stories, etc. Finally, the topic moved to the future supply. There's supposed to be a shipment within 2 weeks and larger shipment at the end of March. They don't know the final detail of the SKUs and the price. But, they offer me larger amount of stock I could dibs on once the price list is released and extended time. It's going to be a war.
Anyway, enough about me.
I catagorize the downstream sellers to these types
1. Smaller distributors and retailers
These are the types who usually had their own stock. Retailers could rely on these smaller distributors to short-relay the stock their customers ordered.
2. Traders
It's a type of sellers which's involved on back-and-forth communication, planning, and bureaucracy to fulfill their customer's needs. Usually use temporary dibs to secure price & quantity meant for their customer.
3. "Online resellers & dropshippers"
Online resellers itself isn't that bad, especially when they hold their own stock
But, the real cancer is the dropshippers.
And if it wasn't bad enough, dropshipping gets "franchised"
The money deposit will be used as a capital to maintain high stock availability for the dropshippers. In nutshell, it's like having access to 128 core processor with FUP of 1/128 per core across the 128 cores with 127 other dropshipper
Yes, I would welcome a law requiring anyone who sells anything not produced by by hand to only sell from their own physical stock.
Among other reasons, because
Btw I also try to avoid pure resellers.
Hello
@host_c where do i get this version of the control panel!? I WANTS IT
@host_c , I got price update from vendor. 10% increase on WD&HGST SKUs. No availability
Well, we also payed +25 USD on the 2 Toshiba 24 TB drives we ordered last week.
Availability is getting low or scarce for the sub 14 TB drives, the larger ones are still fine because they became very expensive, yet at some point, that will not matter as demand will outpost reluctance.
I keep seeing that next on the list of things to blow up in price till Saturn are Drives, speculation is far as times 2 the actual price, yet I will put this to pure speculation for the time being, but...... I am starting to doubt that will not be the case.
We already canceled all offers to customers made in late December and January 2026 and wrote them to ask for updates on their projects as the market is in a constant shift nowadays.
If you think all this is bad for hosting, you have no idea how bad it is for implementations for small and mid sized companies.
I think it is time we dig up the 20 year old 146 GB SAS drives we berried in the back yard, they might actually be useful shortly.
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this job.
PS: The difference between NEW and USED 20TB+ drives is as low as 25% to 30% on some SKU.
@rpqu
Lipsa Stock = Out of Inventory
Prices are without VAT, so that is +21%
A 500GB Drive is ~81 USD in 2026??? wtf, I did not touch 500GB drive in over a decade.
6TB is almost 300 USD???? WTF!!!
Oh, you should see SAS prices, they are Pornographic at best.
And those are CONSUMER SKU, they will not last 3 years in a 24/7/365 working server.
I think I am going to get that NEW car afterall rather then get 48x 22 TB drives.
What is your rough total storage capacity at this point? you are sitting on a few lambos in HDD's alone im sure
Oh boy, I am sitting on a few PB and decent amount of spares, yet, that will not last indefinitely.
Drives fail you know....... Much more then some might think.
Drives fail when the sisters get overloaded we know whos to blame
@allthemtings
SPARE does not equal INVENTORY
Spare is cold/offline/not usable in deployments, fact that it sits on a shelf does not mean you are safe all year long and is definitely not what you count as usable inventory in a deployment. The second you use it you are hitting the BUY button for a new one, otherwise you re fuked screwed at best.
https://ght-net.ro/ nice seen this, sister enterprises going global
Well, that also needs a ton of work, Other then the SFP modules we import under our own brand, the rest was not updated for a long time
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It seems, with all this shit show on RAM, NVMe, DRIVES, I will have the time to clean out that store page also.
At this point, only smaller distributors and scalpers has availability and it's going to cost 10-30% above pricing level I mentioned earlier. So, $35-40/TB. Heartbreaking.
I don't even know how to tell my aunt that the price of laptop I mentioned to her 3 months ago has rose by 50-80% (80% for 1TB NVME+32GB option), as her laptop is as old as mine, but she's using windows. It's about the time I convert her to Linux user.
And uh, have you changed your mind about LTO?
Welcome to the squeeze. The WD black 500GB I bought 13 years ago costs only $60, which marked the time I completely stopped purchasing WD blue. I think it has 20K hours by now.
The retail price is crazy. When I go to supermarket, there's those shops. So, I ask the price for 1TB sandisk portable SSD, it's $150. The 2TB (almost certainly SMR) external? $130
Well, these consumer grade isn't going to survive as hot storage. Maybe cold storage with limited r/w
Edit:
There's some speculation about Claude outage, which can't scale its AI because of chatgpt refugees. I think there's enough reason to think AWS charged Claude below at-cost price.
I will reply you here as we got a bit off topic.
My main issue, regarding whatever as Hypervisor is Automation and Provisioning. That will drive the Hypervisor I would choose as we are driving a hosting company, not a lab
Also, creating the services manually in 2026, is, meehhhh, lame? not even in question
Personal Note on the matter:
I would love vMware, like real hardcore porn
, heck I would even love XCP-ng over proxmox sincerely, fuq.... I can't believe I say this, HYPER-V is a good option too then ProxMox.
Difference between Hypervisors in performance is highly debatable, yet all fall in the 5% maximum between each-other by today.
Difference lye in features, now, vMware will excel here above all just because there I can use FC and do centralized storage as I wished to do in proxmox because in vMware I have VMFS for that. - and for us that is a real deal bone-breaker.
Yet I hit a wall on provisioning and automation issues, and we are too small to go custom panel for a specific hypervisor type...... for the moment.
It will, as in a home NAS, drives are powered off if not in use, so you will not have them on 24/7/365, unless they torrent all their life
Also, the IO use on them in home use is nothing compared when 24 PCS run in a server that has "questionable" gentlemen hitting them whit god knows what 24/7/365
, also, here there is no spin-down..... like ever. maybe as low as 35% continuous use for 1 hour on a best day 
, then it is back to 70-75%.
Vibrations are an aspect that needs to be considered, 12-24 boys partying ....well... lot of dance, lot of "vibration"
Heat, ok, this I will take out of the equation if it is 45C/113F in your "rack" where you slammed the unit.
So if consumer SKU is not exposed to these, they can last, how much? well, totally debatable
Gawd, I believe that we are in the same boat.
Actually I'm starting to use Hyper-V Server 2019. PVE right now is only to attach pendrives with licenses into VMs. Still wondering to buy PVE licenses. For sure VMWare is still an option, but we know what Broadcom is doing right now. Tried to use XCP-ng, but still newbie...
Hyper-V will be, well, much better then you think.
I acknowledge the lack of love for MSFT, yet, that is not a bad product, a bit slappy and totally complicated feature wise because in it's infinite wisdom MSFT did not redesign it from 0 after 2019, yet if they would have done that, we would have had a true mature product, why??? - they have the $$, the engineers and the experiance.
It checks all the features you want, but enabling and setting them up is a as complicated as CISCO licensing on a 8U Chassy.
In Hyper-v, Local Storage performance is on parallel with vMware, even better as I recall.
Proxmox will look like a teenager in this field.
You have working support on all fancy external storage protocols, from ISCSI to FC, RDMA, NVME over TCP, and they all work.
Yet they fuqed it up with the fact that they kept adding features over old concept, so the result is a complicated and really messy UI and CLI that made it useless for beginners or power admins, even those that are in the MSFT ecosystem for decades struggle with some advanced functions.
XCP-ng is rock solid, yet 5 years behind, small ecosystem, they move much slowly.
So ProXmox is the sweet-spot today, but not because they are good, because they are consistent and the rest either suck in simplicity or are exaggerated in price.
lol, i did a thing (userscript for tampermonkey) I have a @host_c reply stalker on the titlebar now! must not miss any sales!
Gib the userscript.