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Swedish vps with direct peering to 31173 Services AB

good morning LET can you provide me with a vps recommendation? it needs direct peering with AS39351 (31173 Services AB) and preferably also AS8473 (Bahnhof AB) i very much like @tentor and will use skhron if all else fails but it pains me to have to through an IX :'(

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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

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  • HostHatch probably has that

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  • @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

  • @Chocoweb said:
    HostHatch probably has that

    traceroute says otherwise unfortunately

  • sandozsandoz Veteran

    @Hemlig said:
    good morning LET can you provide me with a vps recommendation? it needs direct peering with AS39351 (31173 Services AB) and preferably also AS8473 (Bahnhof AB) i very much like @tentor and will use skhron if all else fails but it pains me to have to through an IX :'(

    Maybe
    https://svea.net

    https://bgp.he.net/AS41634#_peers

    Thanked by 1Hemlig
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

    Tbh, I think it would be better for availability to have multiple ways to reach the networks in question without regards for connection method, either multiple IXes, PNIs or mix of both.

    Regarding your concern on integrity - I would not recommend to rely on transport security guarantees unless you control both ends and the transport itself physically, otherwise I would use the cryptography instead.

    Maybe, you could elaborate more on your threat model if I misunderstood your intentions?

  • @sandoz said:

    @Hemlig said:
    good morning LET can you provide me with a vps recommendation? it needs direct peering with AS39351 (31173 Services AB) and preferably also AS8473 (Bahnhof AB) i very much like @tentor and will use skhron if all else fails but it pains me to have to through an IX :'(

    Maybe
    https://svea.net

    https://bgp.he.net/AS41634#_peers

    yes certain ips seems to not be going though an ix when tracerouting i will reach out to the support to ask

  • @tentor said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

    Tbh, I think it would be better for availability to have multiple ways to reach the networks in question without regards for connection method, either multiple IXes, PNIs or mix of both.

    Regarding your concern on integrity - I would not recommend to rely on transport security guarantees unless you control both ends and the transport itself physically, otherwise I would use the cryptography instead.

    Maybe, you could elaborate more on your threat model if I misunderstood your intentions?

    Yes both is ideal but in a case where both are available PNI should be preferred

    threat model is that i trust the providers i rent from but not the IXes they are connecting through

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

    Tbh, I think it would be better for availability to have multiple ways to reach the networks in question without regards for connection method, either multiple IXes, PNIs or mix of both.

    Regarding your concern on integrity - I would not recommend to rely on transport security guarantees unless you control both ends and the transport itself physically, otherwise I would use the cryptography instead.

    Maybe, you could elaborate more on your threat model if I misunderstood your intentions?

    Yes both is ideal but in a case where both are available PNI should be preferred

    threat model is that i trust the providers i rent from but not the IXes they are connecting through

    Just encrypt the traffic, like everyone does in the internet.

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  • @Nyr said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

    Tbh, I think it would be better for availability to have multiple ways to reach the networks in question without regards for connection method, either multiple IXes, PNIs or mix of both.

    Regarding your concern on integrity - I would not recommend to rely on transport security guarantees unless you control both ends and the transport itself physically, otherwise I would use the cryptography instead.

    Maybe, you could elaborate more on your threat model if I misunderstood your intentions?

    Yes both is ideal but in a case where both are available PNI should be preferred

    threat model is that i trust the providers i rent from but not the IXes they are connecting through

    Just encrypt the traffic, like everyone does in the internet.

    its about the metadata

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Hemlig said:

    @Nyr said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

    Tbh, I think it would be better for availability to have multiple ways to reach the networks in question without regards for connection method, either multiple IXes, PNIs or mix of both.

    Regarding your concern on integrity - I would not recommend to rely on transport security guarantees unless you control both ends and the transport itself physically, otherwise I would use the cryptography instead.

    Maybe, you could elaborate more on your threat model if I misunderstood your intentions?

    Yes both is ideal but in a case where both are available PNI should be preferred

    threat model is that i trust the providers i rent from but not the IXes they are connecting through

    Just encrypt the traffic, like everyone does in the internet.

    its about the metadata

    Which metadata? No offense but it does not make much sense.

  • @Nyr said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @Nyr said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:

    @Hemlig said:

    @tentor said:
    Any reason why you would prefer PNI over IX?

    less trust in 3rd party infrastructure for data integrity and availability.

    Tbh, I think it would be better for availability to have multiple ways to reach the networks in question without regards for connection method, either multiple IXes, PNIs or mix of both.

    Regarding your concern on integrity - I would not recommend to rely on transport security guarantees unless you control both ends and the transport itself physically, otherwise I would use the cryptography instead.

    Maybe, you could elaborate more on your threat model if I misunderstood your intentions?

    Yes both is ideal but in a case where both are available PNI should be preferred

    threat model is that i trust the providers i rent from but not the IXes they are connecting through

    Just encrypt the traffic, like everyone does in the internet.

    its about the metadata

    Which metadata? No offense but it does not make much sense.

    the netflow data where packets are coming and going and at what time. data aggregation companies are known to buy this type of data from tier 1 asns and illegal data interception on IXes has also been observed in the past

    to quote the former head of NSA "we kill people based on metadata" i dont want to be killed because my packets routed through the wrong IX

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Hemlig said: to quote the former head of NSA "we kill people based on metadata" i dont want to be killed because my packets routed through the wrong IX

    But you are a pirate, not a terrorist. Internet pirates do not get killed by drones overhead very often, you are fine.

  • @Nyr said:

    @Hemlig said: to quote the former head of NSA "we kill people based on metadata" i dont want to be killed because my packets routed through the wrong IX

    But you are a pirate, not a terrorist. Internet pirates do not get killed by drones overhead very often, you are fine.

    yes i was being hyperbolic i do not truly think i will be killed by the NSA if my packets go through an IX but its about principle and best practice why settle for less and risk being at the wrong place at the wrong time

  • nghialelenghialele Member
    edited February 12

    Bro turn off computer, get a life where internet isn't necessary. Won't get killed if no traffic happens in the first place.

    Thanked by 2emgh ServerBachelor
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @nghialele said:
    Bro turn off computer, get a life where internet isn't necessary. Won't get killed if no traffic happens in the first place.

    There’s cameras outside. Wrong place at the wrong time. Facial recognition. This is very risky advice that you’re giving.

    Thanked by 1nghialele
  • @emgh said:

    @nghialele said:
    Bro turn off computer, get a life where internet isn't necessary. Won't get killed if no traffic happens in the first place.

    There’s cameras outside. Wrong place at the wrong time. Facial recognition. This is very risky advice that you’re giving.

    Sir are Sweyden becoming Hangzhou nowadays

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @nghialele said:

    @emgh said:

    @nghialele said:
    Bro turn off computer, get a life where internet isn't necessary. Won't get killed if no traffic happens in the first place.

    There’s cameras outside. Wrong place at the wrong time. Facial recognition. This is very risky advice that you’re giving.

    Sir are Sweyden becoming Hangzhou nowadays

    Yes it starts slowly with facial ID for banking apps and suddenly you’re framed for shooting Kennedy. Very common sadly.

    Thanked by 1nghialele
  • @emgh said:

    @nghialele said:

    @emgh said:

    @nghialele said:
    Bro turn off computer, get a life where internet isn't necessary. Won't get killed if no traffic happens in the first place.

    There’s cameras outside. Wrong place at the wrong time. Facial recognition. This is very risky advice that you’re giving.

    Sir are Sweyden becoming Hangzhou nowadays

    Yes it starts slowly with facial ID for banking apps and suddenly you’re framed for shooting Kennedy. Very common sadly.

    Thanks, its not a seg crime.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep

    @Hemlig I recommend you just stick with @tentor .
    He did not touch any of my packets so far.

    Also like, I think metadata is a concern but I don't think the IX can realistically trace packets back to you. Being behind @tentor should add noise from his other customers to the traffic anyway.

    What do you think?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @oloke said:

    What do you think?

    I think I’m in love🥰😍

    Thanked by 3mans_xd oloke nghialele
  • This is just dumb. Turn off the computer and throw it in the bin and problem solved about ur paranoia

  • https://karabro.se do have 31173 as an upstream (https://bgp.tools/as/51519)

    But again, it's not single home 31173 that you may looking for. If you accept to be sometimes routed by HE or ok to be routed via SONIX IX sometimes.

    Or Unless you can talk with the provider directly regarding your preference, but i can't guarantee it'll work out as it's very odd request

  • BlembimBlembim Member
    edited February 13

    Also Bahnhof do have their own Hosting brand Bahnhof.cloud. But again, price are not very attractive, 100 sex( CC @emgh ) for 1c1g10g vps

    Thanked by 3Murv oloke emgh
  • @emgh said:

    @oloke said:

    What do you think?

    I think I’m in love🥰😍

    Valentine's Day is nearby, don't get love scam this holidays season. Contact Fumo.st now!

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • HemligHemlig Member
    edited February 15

    @nghialele said:

    @emgh said:

    @nghialele said:
    Bro turn off computer, get a life where internet isn't necessary. Won't get killed if no traffic happens in the first place.

    There’s cameras outside. Wrong place at the wrong time. Facial recognition. This is very risky advice that you’re giving.

    Sir are Sweyden becoming Hangzhou nowadays

    @snowman11 said:
    This is just dumb. Turn off the computer and throw it in the bin and problem solved about ur paranoia

    physical surveillance is extremely pervasive in Sweden (unless you live in the woods or a city with less then 100 people) in all major population centers (and even small population centers with only a few thousand people) there are "drone zones" and "search zones" where police fly drones and do indiscriminate facial and body tracking of everyone in this zone or where you can be stopped and searched for no other reason other then the fact that the police officer through you looked at him the wrong way (or maybe disliked the fact that you did not look at him) pare this with the fact that cash is not accepted in alot of places and you are forced to pay with card if you want fast food or the fact that all major highways have cameras to track what cars come and go where and proposed measure to compare timestamps between cameras to know how fast you drive between them.

    all this also does not mention the "fra law" that allows all traffic going in and out of Swedish boarders to be logged in a central database or the fact that Swedish media and law enforcement are following the lead of France and Spain and going out to the public to say that graphene os is primarily used by criminals and that if parents find signal on their phone that they are probably doing criminal activity or the fact that the police has proposed a law that would allow them to use pegasus like spyware to hack suspected iptv users networks.

    i have heard of Swedish banks freezing accounts for sending money to a central crypto exchanges.

    so to make a long story short yes Sweden is turning into a police and surveillance state and going outside wont help my rightful fear (notice the distinction from paranoia which is usually unwarranted) of being surveilled and not having my life and thoughts intruded on. (as is supposedly part of my human rights as declared by the united nations)

    i also implore you to check out this learn about how ALL Swedish citizens names, address, dob and more information is being distributed freely for anyone with a web browser to search and protected by laws supposed to protected journalism (in Sweden we dont have data aggregators that break laws to sell our info the government hands it out)
    https://noyb.eu/en/swedish-data-brokers-claim-journalists-legal-protection-evade-eu-law

  • @oloke said:
    @Hemlig I recommend you just stick with @tentor .
    He did not touch any of my packets so far.

    Also like, I think metadata is a concern but I don't think the IX can realistically trace packets back to you. Being behind @tentor should add noise from his other customers to the traffic anyway.

    What do you think?

    tapping an IX certainly would not be enough alone but anyone who illicitly taps or coerces the operator to tap the IX would be an adversary with more data points than just this IX and the packets going through it

    metadata from one service or places leaking is not the issue its the combined metadata leakage of every service you use that is worrying.

  • @Blembim said:
    https://karabro.se do have 31173 as an upstream (https://bgp.tools/as/51519)

    But again, it's not single home 31173 that you may looking for. If you accept to be sometimes routed by HE or ok to be routed via SONIX IX sometimes.

    Or Unless you can talk with the provider directly regarding your preference, but i can't guarantee it'll work out as it's very odd request

    i have looked at karabro but routing through HE is not acceptable SONIX is but like i stated i would like to avoid routing through any IX in the first place

    i am aware my request might be out of the norm but i hope it can fulfilled

    @Blembim said:
    Also Bahnhof do have their own Hosting brand Bahnhof.cloud. But again, price are not very attractive, 100 sex( CC @emgh ) for 1c1g10g vps

    yes i am aware and Bahnhof do not have to route through an IX to reach 31173 but i already have servers there (which is why peering with them would also be nice)

  • i sent an email to svea but unfortunately they have not gotten back to me

  • Most goes through SONIX or STHIX. So far I think Vultr doesn't go through an IX to 31173.

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