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Why don't more providers let customers manage their servers with Proxmox VE?

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @msatt said:

    @Neoon said: Its grayed out, not clickable, no errors, nothing.

    I understand what you are saying but just because it is greyed out, users will still (hypothetically) raise support requests wanting a feature they didn't know about or wanting to know why they can't use that feature.

    Never happend to me, if this happens you explain it and/or enable it for them.
    A minimal integration should do.

  • 3K333K33 Member, Host Rep

    @Neoon said:
    People are lazy, Proxmox has a full fledged API with permissions, that actually works, in comparison with Virtualizor, where even the billing panel gets full access to everything.

    You are just lying at this point. Virtualizor has option to set permissions for API keys, you can even edit master key permissions...

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @3K33 said:

    @Neoon said:
    People are lazy, Proxmox has a full fledged API with permissions, that actually works, in comparison with Virtualizor, where even the billing panel gets full access to everything.

    You are just lying at this point. Virtualizor has option to set permissions for API keys, you can even edit master key permissions...

    Sure, last time I worked with it, that's years ago, it didn't had option to limit permissions.
    Might have changed, idk.

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  • KodomuKodomu Member
    edited February 10

    @forest said:
    Many providers use PVE but make customers manage their systems through crap like Virtualizer. If they're already using PVE, why not just let them use that instead?

    We used to do this when we didn't officially offer VPSes and we were only provisioning them manually on request. I think we still have one customer that uses the UI directly, but I don't really think it's the best idea for most users as it's not that friendly. And to be honest, the Proxmox UI is entirely built as API calls anyway, so implementing a basic front end to just send those same API calls but limiting the exposure to the rest of the features is nearly the same.

    I'm not sure what others are saying about templating either, both cloning templates and provisioning them with cloudinit is built into the Proxmox UI, it just isn't a simple one click feature like is implemented in the normal provisioning software and it definitely isn't user friendly.

  • forestforest Member

    Are there any management frontends that allow reading a server's serial output? I'm a bit surprised that I haven't seen that feature in any low-end host, considering it would be extremely useful for diagnosing things like crashes.

  • I used to buy a VM from a local provider which they give me access to their Proxmox VE for my VM. Weird experiences and I have to agree with many here, it's not for end-user that have low-technical knowledges.

  • nikionikio Member

    What is an

    end-user that have low-technical knowledges.

    I consider myself an end-user with low technical knowledge. I don't do this for a living. My day job is in an industry so far removed from programming, hosting, networking and system administration that you'd think we live on a different planet. When we say 'networking' we mean booze and humans, not Cisco and VLANs. When we say 'administration' it means someone's about to file for bankruptcy. When we say 'programming' we mean 'what's coming up next on the telly?'
    Realistically, there are real sysadmins and network admins with way more knowledge than I. Nor can I compete with the engineering madlads of the 1990s who wrote entire kernels in their garage using assembly.

    But I don't find proxmox UI confusing or challenging. Bloody annoying, yes. But not difficult to use.

    I must confess I never liked people who needed to use web UIs to manage their software when ssh + vim would do just as well. For the longest time I never even bothered installing proxmox because I felt myself comfortable using raw qemu. Couple of weeks ago I actually decided to try it out, and I just don't get the hype. Everything I can do in the UI, I can do quicker and easier on the command line. Now, I understand why you need some kind of API or UI if you're providing servers to customers. Giving them shell accounts on the hypervisor would be beyond idiotic so you need some kind of interface. But I don't understand why people say it is difficult to use.

    I am tempted to say that if someone finds proxmox too difficult to use, they should perhaps stick to LEGO.

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  • @nikio said:
    What is an

    end-user that have low-technical knowledges.

    I consider myself an end-user with low technical knowledge. I don't do this for a living. My day job is in an industry so far removed from programming, hosting, networking and system administration that you'd think we live on a different planet. When we say 'networking' we mean booze and humans, not Cisco and VLANs. When we say 'administration' it means someone's about to file for bankruptcy. When we say 'programming' we mean 'what's coming up next on the telly?'
    Realistically, there are real sysadmins and network admins with way more knowledge than I. Nor can I compete with the engineering madlads of the 1990s who wrote entire kernels in their garage using assembly.

    But I don't find proxmox UI confusing or challenging. Bloody annoying, yes. But not difficult to use.

    I must confess I never liked people who needed to use web UIs to manage their software when ssh + vim would do just as well. For the longest time I never even bothered installing proxmox because I felt myself comfortable using raw qemu. Couple of weeks ago I actually decided to try it out, and I just don't get the hype. Everything I can do in the UI, I can do quicker and easier on the command line. Now, I understand why you need some kind of API or UI if you're providing servers to customers. Giving them shell accounts on the hypervisor would be beyond idiotic so you need some kind of interface. But I don't understand why people say it is difficult to use.

    I am tempted to say that if someone finds proxmox too difficult to use, they should perhaps stick to LEGO.

    Okay i will stick to fumo

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