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How to manage ram shortage

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  • Hosting prices could increase sharply by the end of the year :'(

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2

    @Nodyne said: How are you guys managing the ram shortage?

    @mfyll said: With the prices I see on eBay right now for second hand DDR4, I wonder if they really sell anything. Its a rough time :smile:

    They do, as when you need stuff, well, you need it. :D

    @Guru555 said: Hosting prices could increase sharply by the end of the year :'(

    anyone up for a 512 MB ram offer? quarter core, 40 MB drive :D , 1x IPv4 shared on 256 customers. :D

    On the more realistic side, any DDR3 offers lately?

    I also wish to point out my pain:

    WE ordered some spare parts for a customer, as he has 8 storage units with 22 TB SATA drives and since we kinda "trust no one" brand wise, we convinced him to have at least 2 spares / node, just in case.

    On 12-01-2026 MG10 22TB MAMR 22TB was 2,220.15 RON + VAT ( 519 USD + 21% VAT )
    On 26-01-2026 MG10 22TB MAMR 22TB was 2.294 RON + VAT ( 534 USD + 21% VAT )
    Today 02-02-2026 same shit si 2322 RON + VAT ( 540 USD + 21% VAT )

    Supplier ( 2 of them ) said that I should ignore whatever price we see on the website and ask for an update before ordering )

    We found a few cheaper then the above price on the net, by the time we ordered, we got the usual : out of stock message. It is getting FUN FUN each day......

    so

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  • @davide said:
    My everlasting 2 GB DDR2 desktop/laptop boycotts Java and JavaShit™ and runs fine and fast within 1 GB allocated. People were running spreadsheets and graphical browsers on 1 MB i286's, so much crap has been shoveled on these apps since:

    Yeah, 640kb should be enough

  • dbadudedbadude Member
    edited February 2

    We are just spoiled with those many years of cheap ram prices. In the old days we were happy with 16KB expansion boards. Whole multi user systems fits on 64kb of ram. But then again the programmers then were rocket scientists. Now programmers are vibe coders.
    They start crying when they have to type a semicolon. or dont want to use tabs.

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  • mfyllmfyll Member, Host Rep

    @dbadude said: We are just spoiled with those many years of cheap ram prices. In the old days we were happy with 16KB expansion boards. Whole multi user systems fits on 64kb of ram. But then again the programmers then were rocket scientists. Now programmers are vibe coders.

    We are far past the time where programmers spent any significant time trying to optimize for RAM-usage, and it really is sad. Just look at how much "black magic" they put into creating amazing NES games, the optmiziation was insane.

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    So a nice 2x 32 GB DDR5 is as much as a usable car???

    ~1630 USD

    Now that is not a speed daemon or a Ferrari, but I will take the shitty city car any day of the week.

    It is getting a bit outrageous.

    Wonder what price tag will a 32GB DDR5 Video-card will be?? as that shit is already at 1K USD.

    Well, I guess back to Spider Solitare we shall go :D :D

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  • you can buy a house in your country for 6624 LEI or 2 DDR ramsticks

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  • rpqurpqu Member

    @dbadude said:
    But then again the programmers then were rocket scientists. Now programmers are vibe coders.

    They're as rare as people who could write their own compiler

  • here > @rpqu said:

    @dbadude said:
    But then again the programmers then were rocket scientists. Now programmers are vibe coders.

    They're as rare as people who could write their own compiler

    Hello Grok, write me a compiler for hardware xyz in language abc.
    And BOOM done.

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  • rpqurpqu Member

    @dbadude said:
    here > @rpqu said:

    @dbadude said:
    But then again the programmers then were rocket scientists. Now programmers are vibe coders.

    They're as rare as people who could write their own compiler

    Hello Grok, write me a compiler for hardware xyz in language abc.
    And BOOM done.

    Sorry, from scratch, without AI or book. Preferably written on paper

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  • bozolover99bozolover99 Member
    edited February 2

    ah back in the good old days when I use to write assembly code for my apple 2c 6502 cpu. Back when you couldn't handle real electrical enginering you took that easy new fangled computer engineering degree...

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  • fiberstatefiberstate Member, Patron Provider
    edited February 2

    @MannDude said:
    We've had to absorb the increase in cost. New hardware in NL, BG, SE and WA-US was all more expensive than the last time we got hardware setup in these places.

    And if the price keeps going up and it gets to a point we no longer want to absorb the cost, just be out of stock for a bit.

    There’s only so much providers can absorb while maintaining sustainable growth. Eventually, the entire industry will need to adjust to this new normal. While extending the life of existing hardware may help in the short term, new purchases will become unavoidable and those costs will be reflected in pricing. Our advice: if you currently have a server at a good price, hold onto it for as long as possible.

    Our best estimate is that RAM prices could double again within the next six months, with NVMe pricing following a similar trend. It’s not just about cost availability is becoming a serious issue. CPUs are selling out quickly, DDR5 is nearly impossible to source, U.2 NVMe drives have already doubled in price, and server chassis are facing long lead times. AI demand shows no signs of slowing down. Unfortunately, this is likely the new normal for at least the next few years, until production capacity catches up and even then, there is little incentive for rapid price corrections.

  • @Guru555 said:
    Hosting prices could increase sharply by the end of the year :'(

    I think so!

  • @jsg said:

    @Nodyne said:
    Ram prices are going crazy, and I think it will be like this for at least a couple of years

    I'm not so sure. I see two chances

    • The AI bubble crashes earlier (I'd be very pleased)
    • The Chinese say "thank you for the great opportunity" and ramp up RAM production (and yes, they already do produce DDR4). If they "only" ask double of the normal (pre AI shit) price we (buyers) save 50% and they earn a hefty profit. Win-Win.

    Both solutions would be amazing!
    I hope it will be like this!

  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @host_c said:

    I also wish to point out my pain:

    WE ordered some spare parts for a customer, as he has 8 storage units with 22 TB SATA drives and since we kinda "trust no one" brand wise, we convinced him to have at least 2 spares / node, just in case.

    On 12-01-2026 MG10 22TB MAMR 22TB was 2,220.15 RON + VAT ( 519 USD + 21% VAT )
    On 26-01-2026 MG10 22TB MAMR 22TB was 2.294 RON + VAT ( 534 USD + 21% VAT )
    Today 02-02-2026 same shit si 2322 RON + VAT ( 540 USD + 21% VAT )

    Supplier ( 2 of them ) said that I should ignore whatever price we see on the website and ask for an update before ordering )

    We found a few cheaper then the above price on the net, by the time we ordered, we got the usual : out of stock message. It is getting FUN FUN each day......

    I may have an explanation why also HDD prices are increasing. Maybe providers are starting to offer more SWAP memory to cope for RAM memory shortages, or else in the HDD there’s some components they are starting to produce less due to the global shortage. Or, last possibility, since nvme prices are increasing, people are going back to HDD’s.

  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @bozolover99 said:
    ah back in the good old days when I use to write assembly code for my apple 2c 6502 cpu. Back when you couldn't handle real electrical enginering you took that easy new fangled computer engineering degree...

    Unpopular opinion: Assembly is the god of programming languages!

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

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  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2

    @Nodyne said:

    @host_c said:

    I also wish to point out my pain:

    WE ordered some spare parts for a customer, as he has 8 storage units with 22 TB SATA drives and since we kinda "trust no one" brand wise, we convinced him to have at least 2 spares / node, just in case.

    On 12-01-2026 MG10 22TB MAMR 22TB was 2,220.15 RON + VAT ( 519 USD + 21% VAT )
    On 26-01-2026 MG10 22TB MAMR 22TB was 2.294 RON + VAT ( 534 USD + 21% VAT )
    Today 02-02-2026 same shit si 2322 RON + VAT ( 540 USD + 21% VAT )

    Supplier ( 2 of them ) said that I should ignore whatever price we see on the website and ask for an update before ordering )

    We found a few cheaper then the above price on the net, by the time we ordered, we got the usual : out of stock message. It is getting FUN FUN each day......

    I may have an explanation why also HDD prices are increasing. Maybe providers are starting to offer more SWAP memory to cope for RAM memory shortages, or else in the HDD there’s some components they are starting to produce less due to the global shortage. Or, last possibility, since nvme prices are increasing, people are going back to HDD’s.

    No clue, but even the gap between used 1 Year Drives with 12 moths warranty and New ones is getting to a 30%, at this point, it makes no reason to buy used drives, as on new ones, I do love the 60 Moths warranty, especially on 22-26TB units.

    This inevitably feeds into service pricing.

    24 × $540 is very different from 24 × $410, and that difference has to be absorbed somewhere.

    I highly doubt the 512 MB Cache the drive has is the culprit here. But the prices started rising like June-July 2025, slowly, but if you look back now, the gap is significant.

    Also, on the SAS Interface, prices are like porn high, really high, we are talking about 30% higher then last year for the same capacity.
    SAS has gone from “enterprise premium” to borderline insane.

    I still put this under speculation of the supply chain, as well, if one storage type gets expensive, let's raise the price on all type of medium “just because”.

    Too soon to tel right now, but I will stand by my feeling that at this point, today, most of the price hike is speculation and some in the supply chain just taking advantage of it.

    LOL, it is like Crypto Shit Coins on forums, a few threads with positive speculation on the Shit-Coin in question and the coin goes from 0.000001 USD to 1.5 USD in hours and in the next morning to 0.00000000000000001, only difference is that prices here went up rapidly, and the descent will be a slow one as there is a continued demand.

    PS: We actually just returned a few 16 TB SAS drives to a supplier right before their warranty expired.
    Since then, we’ve had a small email thread where they’re trying to offer anything else but not replacement drives.

    I love this job!

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  • @host_c said: I love this job!

    How many TBs do you own in total?

  • rpqurpqu Member

    Better make the order for kingdian and maxsun soon

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2

    @network said:

    @host_c said: I love this job!

    How many TBs do you own in total?

    Rough numbers:

    • Low-cost services: ~2.2 PB usable
    • Mix of RAID6 and RAID60 (some 2×12, some 3×8), so roughly ~3 PB raw

    • Business side: ~1 PB usable, RAID10 only, so about ~2 PB raw

    All in, that puts us at ~5 PB raw total, a bit less probably

    Add to that roughly ~6 TB of DDR4 RAM, and honestly… from a purely timing perspective, this would be a perfect moment to exit and $$$ out.

    If I were 22, I probably would — plenty of time to start something new. :D :D :D .

    But the real concern today is replacements. We do have spare parts on hand, but those won’t last forever, and replacing parts at today’s prices is a very different game than it was a year ago. ( I will not say a word how good it was in 2024 or 2023 )

    The later issue is the part that actually keeps my attention right now.

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2

    https://alibaba.com/product-detail/FURY-Beast-DDR5-5600-5800-8G_1600383226244.html?spm=a2700.prosearch.normal_offer.d_title.7d7d67af0x6NF4&priceId=fee1554e8d2546e581ca94d53cdc706c

    Nice :D :D :D

    frequency 1333 - lol, that is DDR3 territory.

    Mentions “REG ECC” = server memory

    Later says “Non-ECC Unbuffered”= PC Memory

    Later is says Desktop application

    The fuq of a hybrid is this, I would not be surprised if that would be DDR2 posed as DDR3 and sold as DDR5.

    PS:

    One of the feedback's:

    My son is enjoying using the product the only thing we don’t like is the plug which we could not use and had to buy an eu compatible plug

    hey folks in the USA, does the DDR5 memory have a different "PLUG" over there then in Europe?

    :D :D :D

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  • @host_c said:
    https://alibaba.com/product-detail/FURY-Beast-DDR5-5600-5800-8G_1600383226244.html?spm=a2700.prosearch.normal_offer.d_title.7d7d67af0x6NF4&priceId=fee1554e8d2546e581ca94d53cdc706c

    Nice :D :D :D

    frequency 1333 - lol, that is DDR3 territory.

    Mentions “REG ECC” = server memory

    Later says “Non-ECC Unbuffered”= PC Memory

    Later is says Desktop application

    The fuq of a hybrid is this, I would not be surprised if that would be DDR2 posed as DDR3 and sold as DDR5.

    Also, every size is $89. 2x8gb? $89. 64gb? $89.

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @deafcon said: Also, every size is $89. 2x8gb? $89. 64gb? $89.

    One size fit's all :D :D

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited February 2

    @deafcon said:

    @host_c said:
    https://alibaba.com/product-detail/FURY-Beast-DDR5-5600-5800-8G_1600383226244.html?spm=a2700.prosearch.normal_offer.d_title.7d7d67af0x6NF4&priceId=fee1554e8d2546e581ca94d53cdc706c

    Nice :D :D :D

    frequency 1333 - lol, that is DDR3 territory.

    Mentions “REG ECC” = server memory

    Later says “Non-ECC Unbuffered”= PC Memory

    Later is says Desktop application

    The fuq of a hybrid is this, I would not be surprised if that would be DDR2 posed as DDR3 and sold as DDR5.

    Also, every size is $89. 2x8gb? $89. 64gb? $89.

    Ah, seems like the 2TB usb device

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  • from Beijing Beauty Flooring Decoration Materials Co., Ltd.?
    wow #6 bestseller in alababa memory, gimme 64gb for $89 why buy 8 same price

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @rpqu said:

    @deafcon said:

    @host_c said:
    https://alibaba.com/product-detail/FURY-Beast-DDR5-5600-5800-8G_1600383226244.html?spm=a2700.prosearch.normal_offer.d_title.7d7d67af0x6NF4&priceId=fee1554e8d2546e581ca94d53cdc706c

    Nice :D :D :D

    frequency 1333 - lol, that is DDR3 territory.

    Mentions “REG ECC” = server memory

    Later says “Non-ECC Unbuffered”= PC Memory

    Later is says Desktop application

    The fuq of a hybrid is this, I would not be surprised if that would be DDR2 posed as DDR3 and sold as DDR5.

    Also, every size is $89. 2x8gb? $89. 64gb? $89.

    Ah, seems like the 2TB usb device

    That was my thought 😅

  • slowserversslowservers Member, Host Rep

    I am not sure if it's related or not, but even DDR3 (what Slow Servers uses) has done up in price.

    I was getting 8GB ECC 1.35V unbuffered dimms for about $10 a piece. A month or so later it's $15+.

    Registered dimms use a little bit more power, but they seem cheaper and more available. I've been wondering if 2x16GB RDIMMs use the same amount of power as 4x8GB unbuffered... Had two slots on a motherboard go out, so I should be able to test this in a day or two when it comes in.

  • @slowservers said:
    I am not sure if it's related or not, but even DDR3 (what Slow Servers uses) has done up in price.

    I was getting 8GB ECC 1.35V unbuffered dimms for about $10 a piece. A month or so later it's $15+.

    Registered dimms use a little bit more power, but they seem cheaper and more available. I've been wondering if 2x16GB RDIMMs use the same amount of power as 4x8GB unbuffered... Had two slots on a motherboard go out, so I should be able to test this in a day or two when it comes in.

    2 RDIMMS 16gb consume almost every time less than 4x8gb RDIMMS. Anyway you should always try to fill all the cpu channels for maximum performance.

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