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How to manage ram shortage

NodyneNodyne Member
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I have a question for people who build servers or for service providers.
How are you guys managing the ram shortage?
Ram prices are going crazy, and I think it will be like this for at least a couple of years, RAM factories have contracts with AI service providers for some years, so I think it will be though for a bit...

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  • GreenIceGreenIce Member

    Just start to provision those stone age xeon 2690v2 servers!

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  • anakaraanakara Member

    https://downloadmoreram.com/

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  • NodyneNodyne Member

    @GreenIce said:
    Just start to provision those stone age xeon 2690v2 servers!

    Would rather not, or else if everyone do this, entire neighborhoods would be without electricity lol.

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @anakara said:
    https://downloadmoreram.com/

    Can't download ram since nvme prices are skyrochetting :(

    At this point since prices are so high I build a RAM factory so I will become a multi millionaire and have all the ram I want, a win is a win! :)

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  • sunkisssunkiss Member

    back to ddr3 :)

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  • NodyneNodyne Member

    @sunkiss said:
    back to ddr3 :)

    Luckily ddr3 is cheap (for now), but for some cpu it's mandatory ddr4 or ddr5 . It's really though... some 32gb ddr5 ecc can cost 600€ at minimum.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    Pray.

    Francisco

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  • davidedavide Member
    edited February 2

    My everlasting 2 GB DDR2 desktop/laptop boycotts Java and JavaShit™ and runs fine and fast within 1 GB allocated. People were running spreadsheets and graphical browsers on 1 MB i286's, so much crap has been shoveled on these apps since:

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @davide said:
    My everlasting 2 GB DDR2 desktop/laptop boycotts Java and JavaShit™ and runs fine and fast within 1 GB allocated. People were running spreadsheets and graphical browsers on 1 MB i286's, so much crap has been shoveled on these apps since:

    I partially agree. A lot of software was made with Assembly, or C + Assembly, so it was faster, but new technology has become better at managing more information. Think about all the limits they had back then, and all the forced optimizations they had to do so the server wouldn’t crash because they didn’t have enough RAM. I mean, for example, think if back then they could handle hundreds of gigabytes of SQL databases, video encoding, video transmission, database management systems, etc., on a single portable PC.

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    Also I forgot to mention Medical equipment, now it's so advanced...

  • itachikonohaitachikonoha Member
    edited February 2

    Suddenly I feel my Berohost 4C 20 GB RAM 200 GB STORAGE vps at 6.90 euro per month is a deal that I must keep at any cost.

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @itachikonoha said:
    Suddenly I feel my Berohost 4C 20 GB RAM 200 GB STORAGE vps at 6.90 euro per month is a deal that I must keep at any cost.

    It's great, but the ram is ddr4? the storage hdd or nvme? What cpu? (the cpu have dedicated core or shared?)

  • CheepCluckCheepCluck Member

    Provision more SWAP on a RAID0 array of 15 year old Velociraptors.

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @CheepCluck said:
    Provision more SWAP on a RAID0 array of 15 year old Velociraptors.

    And then one of the disks says Bye Bye and everything crashes lol

  • WyvernCoWyvernCo Member

    @Nodyne said:
    Think about all the limits they had back then, and all the forced optimizations they had to do

    Meanwhile, these days so many desktop applications bundle their own standalone instances of chrome... I can understand why (write code once, deploy on multiple platforms) but it is still very inefficient

  • itachikonohaitachikonoha Member

    @Nodyne said:

    @itachikonoha said:
    Suddenly I feel my Berohost 4C 20 GB RAM 200 GB STORAGE vps at 6.90 euro per month is a deal that I must keep at any cost.

    It's great, but the ram is ddr4? the storage hdd or nvme? What cpu? (the cpu have dedicated core or shared?)

    RAM DDR5
    Storage is nvme
    CPU is 9275f

    Shared but 100% usage for few hours is not a big deal.

  • Mik3y326Mik3y326 Member

    I dont know how to get RAM cheap, but I can show you how to make money to be able to buy that juicy DDR5 64GB kit.

    • Buy some body armor / protective clothing
    • Get some swimming noodles
    • Order some FBI grade anti smell cream on Amazon
    • Get a list of every Pokemon and OnePiece TCG retailer in your city
    • Wait for the next card drop
    • Get ready to fight kids and the most bad ass late 30ish scalpers
    • FIGHT AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
    • Hold on to your spiols of war for a few months
    • ???
    • Resell -> Profit.
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  • not_dilligafnot_dilligaf Member

    I have changed to using write-only memory. Have found some cheap Asian suppliers.

  • fiberstatefiberstate Member, Patron Provider
    edited February 2

    DDR5 ECC 64G chips now $1700 /each and climbing.

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  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @fiberstate said:
    DDR5 ECC 64G chips now $1700 /each and climbing.

    I feel your pain

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  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    We've had to absorb the increase in cost. New hardware in NL, BG, SE and WA-US was all more expensive than the last time we got hardware setup in these places.

    And if the price keeps going up and it gets to a point we no longer want to absorb the cost, just be out of stock for a bit.

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  • NodyneNodyne Member

    @itachikonoha said:

    @Nodyne said:

    @itachikonoha said:
    Suddenly I feel my Berohost 4C 20 GB RAM 200 GB STORAGE vps at 6.90 euro per month is a deal that I must keep at any cost.

    It's great, but the ram is ddr4? the storage hdd or nvme? What cpu? (the cpu have dedicated core or shared?)

    RAM DDR5
    Storage is nvme
    CPU is 9275f

    Shared but 100% usage for few hours is not a big deal.

    DDR5? MVME? 9275f? Sign me in!

  • NodyneNodyne Member
    edited February 2

    @MannDude said:
    We've had to absorb the increase in cost. New hardware in NL, BG, SE and WA-US was all more expensive than the last time we got hardware setup in these places.

    And if the price keeps going up and it gets to a point we no longer want to absorb the cost, just be out of stock for a bit.

    The problem is that it seems like it will be like this for at least a couple of years, and being out of stock for 2 years is not the best idea, so another solution need to be found… Unfortunately RAM manufacturers have signed contracts for years to produce full time new ram for the AI companies.

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  • KodomuKodomu Member

    Be thankful that you got enough to keep running for a while, just before the price hikes.

    At least when you aren't a real low end host there's enough margin to cover this kind of thing, I expect to see quite a lot of hosts raising prices if this continues any longer.

  • NodyneNodyne Member

    @Kodomu said:
    Be thankful that you got enough to keep running for a while, just before the price hikes.

    At least when you aren't a real low end host there's enough margin to cover this kind of thing, I expect to see quite a lot of hosts raising prices if this continues any longer.

    Yes… prices for vps, vds and dedicated will go up really bad…

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Nodyne said:

    @MannDude said:
    We've had to absorb the increase in cost. New hardware in NL, BG, SE and WA-US was all more expensive than the last time we got hardware setup in these places.

    And if the price keeps going up and it gets to a point we no longer want to absorb the cost, just be out of stock for a bit.

    The problem is that it seems like it will be like this for at least a couple of years, so another solution need to be found…

    Well, we have a decent margin on services so as long as existing costs don't skyrocket, then we can maintain existing active service counts with zero growth and no one is going hungry. If tomorrow I need to put all VM services as "out of stock" and it stayed like that for the next few years then we'll still survive (assuming any cancellations in that time frame was replaced with a new customer).

    All speculative right now of course.

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  • defaultdefault Veteran

    Humanity should stop working for a day, to teach those corporations and leaders with all their AI and printing of money, a very important lesson. It is quite hard to organise such protest though.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @default said:
    Humanity should stop working for a day, to teach those corporations and leaders with all their AI and printing of money, a very important lesson. It is quite hard to organise such protest though.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Nodyne said:
    Ram prices are going crazy, and I think it will be like this for at least a couple of years

    I'm not so sure. I see two chances

    • The AI bubble crashes earlier (I'd be very pleased)
    • The Chinese say "thank you for the great opportunity" and ramp up RAM production (and yes, they already do produce DDR4). If they "only" ask double of the normal (pre AI shit) price we (buyers) save 50% and they earn a hefty profit. Win-Win.
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  • mfyllmfyll Member, Host Rep

    With the prices I see on eBay right now for second hand DDR4, I wonder if they really sell anything. Its a rough time :smile:

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