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ransomware via Virtualizor exploit ?

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  • HOSTCAYHOSTCAY Member, Host Rep

    @rarecloud said:

    I want to share some context that might be relevant here.

    We experienced something very similar last year on one of our test environments. An attacker gained access to our Virtualizor master panel and used the terminal feature to deploy crypto miners across all connected nodes. They even created additional VPS instances to run more miners. The method is exactly the same as what's being described now, the only difference is they're now demanding ransom instead of just mining.

    A friend of mine at another hosting company (who I won't name) had the exact same issue around the same time.

    Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    We never accused Virtualizor directly, and they never admitted anything. However, shortly after our incidents, they changed their ticketing system. Passwords are now automatically redacted from tickets after submission. Whether this was because they suspected an insider threat or simply wanted to protect themselves from liability, I can't say. But the timing was notable.

    Since then, we've implemented:
    - 2FA on all administrator accounts including root
    - Disabled terminal access on production nodes
    - IP restrictions on admin panel access

    My questions to those affected:

    1. Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?
    2. Has anyone actually reproduced the authentication bypass? Can we confirm this is a 0-day in the panel itself, or could this be another credential leak?

    The terminal feature isn't the vulnerability itself. It's just a powerful tool that becomes extremely dangerous when someone gains unauthorized access to the master panel. The real question is: how are attackers getting master panel access across multiple different providers?

    Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    @HostSlick @HOSTCAY @Cloudcone Did any of you open support tickets with Virtualizor before the attack? This could help establish a pattern.

    P.S. Now I'm auditing hundreds of servers to make sure everything is clean on our end 😅

    There was a Virtualizor support security breach at that time, which resulted in any passwords shared with support being exposed. This is old news, and users were notified by email and instructed to change their passwords. As a general security practice, passwords should always be changed after a support issue is resolved. This incident is also why Virtualizor replaced the old system with the new built-in support feature within the Virtualizor panel itself. This case is separate to that.

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended
    edited January 31
    • snip
    Thanked by 2rarecloud host_c
  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider

    @rarecloud said: Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    Sounds about right honestly. This is pretty bad on both sides though.

  • @rarecloud said: Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?

    That's scary - does that mean you share root credentials with a third party and don't revoke access again as soon as possible?

    Thanked by 2rarecloud Falzo
  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    @cmeerw said:

    @rarecloud said: Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?

    That's scary - does that mean you share root credentials with a third party and don't revoke access again as soon as possible?

    Please read it again.
    It was a test environment, where we are trying some custom stuff before deploying to production.
    It wasn't important for us, more important was how the attacker got admin credentials.

    When we provide access to 3rd party companies that provides support for our software, we create additional accounts just for them and we delete after it's solved.

  • loayloay Member
    edited January 31

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @loay said:

    @3K33 said: I can’t blame virtualizor for every hack, but it depends on how they handle this. If they will patch it up relatively quickly, i don’t see a problem. This could have happen to every software.
    @xvps said:

    @ascicode said:
    Possibel this.

    I can confirm that this is the server/ip address the hackers script uploads data to.

    I tested with:

    I can't upload the result here, because of CloudFlare blocking, but the server has a SSL certificate for the domain name, and it respond with 200 Ok.

    The hosting provider is vdsok.guru

    Some things I found about oldenvale.ru domain:

    • Domain registered on 2025-08-13 (REGRU-RU).
    • A Telegram channel named "OldenVale" (https://t.me/OldenVale) was created just days later on 2025-08-19, and there's an active Discord community linked to this channel (I didn't check it myself).
    • There's a Minecraft server running under this domain at mc.oldenvale.ru. It's listed here: https://hotmc.ru/minecraft-server-285627
    • There are also a few more subdomains under oldenvale.ru (gmlf, api, and news).

    Discord admin usernames
    intelligent002 (idle status)
    pafia076

    It seems this person (Radmin/Zilor_MP) is affiliated with both the telegram and discord server and the domain oldenvale.ru. He promoted the oldenvale server launch on the same day that domain was registered (2025-08-13) and the server version per his telegram announcement is also the same one listed on hotmc.ru:

    https://t.me/radminZR7/505

  • forestforest Member
    edited January 31

    @rarecloud said: Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    There are plenty of potential classes of vulnerabilities that could be used to do this that would not fall under either of those. Virtualizer (and honestly, every alternative) is needlessly bloated and likely quite insecure.

    All of this could have been prevented if there was even a modicum of control plane separation.

  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    I want to share some context that might be relevant here.

    We experienced something very similar last year on one of our test environments. An attacker gained access to our Virtualizor master panel and used the terminal feature to deploy crypto miners across all connected nodes. They even created additional VPS instances to run more miners. The method is exactly the same as what's being described now, the only difference is they're now demanding ransom instead of just mining.

    A friend of mine at another hosting company (who I won't name) had the exact same issue around the same time.

    Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    We never accused Virtualizor directly, and they never admitted anything. However, shortly after our incidents, they changed their ticketing system. Passwords are now automatically redacted from tickets after submission. Whether this was because they suspected an insider threat or simply wanted to protect themselves from liability, I can't say. But the timing was notable.

    Since then, we've implemented:
    - 2FA on all administrator accounts including root
    - Disabled terminal access on production nodes
    - IP restrictions on admin panel access

    My questions to those affected:

    1. Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?
    2. Has anyone actually reproduced the authentication bypass? Can we confirm this is a 0-day in the panel itself, or could this be another credential leak?

    The terminal feature isn't the vulnerability itself. It's just a powerful tool that becomes extremely dangerous when someone gains unauthorized access to the master panel. The real question is: how are attackers getting master panel access across multiple different providers?

    Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    @HostSlick @HOSTCAY @Cloudcone Did any of you open support tickets with Virtualizor before the attack? This could help establish a pattern.

    P.S. Now I'm auditing hundreds of servers to make sure everything is clean on our end 😅

    There was a Virtualizor support security breach at that time, which resulted in any passwords shared with support being exposed. This is old news, and users were notified by email and instructed to change their passwords. As a general security practice, passwords should always be changed after a support issue is resolved. This incident is also why Virtualizor replaced the old system with the new built-in support feature within the Virtualizor panel itself. This case is separate to that.

    I understand these are two separate incidents. My point was to provide context, not to suggest the current attacks are caused by the old ticket system breach.

    But this brings us back to the main question: if it's not a credential leak, then how are attackers getting into the admin panel now?

    I've spent last hours searching for any technical details about this exploit. Checked security forums, CVE databases, even tried to find the original script that was used. Nothing concrete. No one seems to have actually reproduced the authentication bypass. As @SecNinja explained that the TTY authentication flow looks solid with htpasswd protection.

    So what's the actual attack vector here? A 0-day in the panel authentication? Something else entirely?

    Look, this is serious. Multiple hosting providers are affected, thousands of customers have lost data, and we still don't know how attackers are getting in. We need to communicate and work together on this. Pointing fingers or dismissing each other's theories won't help anyone.

    If someone has actual technical details about how the breach happened, please share. We can't protect ourselves or our clients if we don't understand what we're protecting against.

    Thanked by 2HOSTCAY Ed_Chd
  • HOSTCAYHOSTCAY Member, Host Rep
    edited February 1

    @rarecloud said:

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    I want to share some context that might be relevant here.

    We experienced something very similar last year on one of our test environments. An attacker gained access to our Virtualizor master panel and used the terminal feature to deploy crypto miners across all connected nodes. They even created additional VPS instances to run more miners. The method is exactly the same as what's being described now, the only difference is they're now demanding ransom instead of just mining.

    A friend of mine at another hosting company (who I won't name) had the exact same issue around the same time.

    Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    We never accused Virtualizor directly, and they never admitted anything. However, shortly after our incidents, they changed their ticketing system. Passwords are now automatically redacted from tickets after submission. Whether this was because they suspected an insider threat or simply wanted to protect themselves from liability, I can't say. But the timing was notable.

    Since then, we've implemented:
    - 2FA on all administrator accounts including root
    - Disabled terminal access on production nodes
    - IP restrictions on admin panel access

    My questions to those affected:

    1. Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?
    2. Has anyone actually reproduced the authentication bypass? Can we confirm this is a 0-day in the panel itself, or could this be another credential leak?

    The terminal feature isn't the vulnerability itself. It's just a powerful tool that becomes extremely dangerous when someone gains unauthorized access to the master panel. The real question is: how are attackers getting master panel access across multiple different providers?

    Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    @HostSlick @HOSTCAY @Cloudcone Did any of you open support tickets with Virtualizor before the attack? This could help establish a pattern.

    P.S. Now I'm auditing hundreds of servers to make sure everything is clean on our end 😅

    There was a Virtualizor support security breach at that time, which resulted in any passwords shared with support being exposed. This is old news, and users were notified by email and instructed to change their passwords. As a general security practice, passwords should always be changed after a support issue is resolved. This incident is also why Virtualizor replaced the old system with the new built-in support feature within the Virtualizor panel itself. This case is separate to that.

    I understand these are two separate incidents. My point was to provide context, not to suggest the current attacks are caused by the old ticket system breach.

    But this brings us back to the main question: if it's not a credential leak, then how are attackers getting into the admin panel now?

    I've spent last hours searching for any technical details about this exploit. Checked security forums, CVE databases, even tried to find the original script that was used. Nothing concrete. No one seems to have actually reproduced the authentication bypass. As @SecNinja explained that the TTY authentication flow looks solid with htpasswd protection.

    So what's the actual attack vector here? A 0-day in the panel authentication? Something else entirely?

    Look, this is serious. Multiple hosting providers are affected, thousands of customers have lost data, and we still don't know how attackers are getting in. We need to communicate and work together on this. Pointing fingers or dismissing each other's theories won't help anyone.

    If someone has actual technical details about how the breach happened, please share. We can't protect ourselves or our clients if we don't understand what we're protecting against.

    I’m also trying to understand the situation. I would recommend the following are done:
    • Enable 2FA authentication in Virtualizor Settings (Requires logging into each slave manually if done only on master)
    • Disable terminal access from Master → Settings → Security on both the master panel and all nodes, then resync the nodes
    • Enable IP restriction for Virtualizor login access
    • Enable API IP restriction, allowing only your billing system’s IP address
    • Disable unnecessary API key permissions (for example, terminal access) by unticking them
    • Resync all nodes after making these changes
    • Enable 2FA for SSH on all master and slaaves using PAM
    • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Thanked by 2oloke rarecloud
  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    I want to share some context that might be relevant here.

    We experienced something very similar last year on one of our test environments. An attacker gained access to our Virtualizor master panel and used the terminal feature to deploy crypto miners across all connected nodes. They even created additional VPS instances to run more miners. The method is exactly the same as what's being described now, the only difference is they're now demanding ransom instead of just mining.

    A friend of mine at another hosting company (who I won't name) had the exact same issue around the same time.

    Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    We never accused Virtualizor directly, and they never admitted anything. However, shortly after our incidents, they changed their ticketing system. Passwords are now automatically redacted from tickets after submission. Whether this was because they suspected an insider threat or simply wanted to protect themselves from liability, I can't say. But the timing was notable.

    Since then, we've implemented:
    - 2FA on all administrator accounts including root
    - Disabled terminal access on production nodes
    - IP restrictions on admin panel access

    My questions to those affected:

    1. Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?
    2. Has anyone actually reproduced the authentication bypass? Can we confirm this is a 0-day in the panel itself, or could this be another credential leak?

    The terminal feature isn't the vulnerability itself. It's just a powerful tool that becomes extremely dangerous when someone gains unauthorized access to the master panel. The real question is: how are attackers getting master panel access across multiple different providers?

    Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    @HostSlick @HOSTCAY @Cloudcone Did any of you open support tickets with Virtualizor before the attack? This could help establish a pattern.

    P.S. Now I'm auditing hundreds of servers to make sure everything is clean on our end 😅

    There was a Virtualizor support security breach at that time, which resulted in any passwords shared with support being exposed. This is old news, and users were notified by email and instructed to change their passwords. As a general security practice, passwords should always be changed after a support issue is resolved. This incident is also why Virtualizor replaced the old system with the new built-in support feature within the Virtualizor panel itself. This case is separate to that.

    I understand these are two separate incidents. My point was to provide context, not to suggest the current attacks are caused by the old ticket system breach.

    But this brings us back to the main question: if it's not a credential leak, then how are attackers getting into the admin panel now?

    I've spent last hours searching for any technical details about this exploit. Checked security forums, CVE databases, even tried to find the original script that was used. Nothing concrete. No one seems to have actually reproduced the authentication bypass. As @SecNinja explained that the TTY authentication flow looks solid with htpasswd protection.

    So what's the actual attack vector here? A 0-day in the panel authentication? Something else entirely?

    Look, this is serious. Multiple hosting providers are affected, thousands of customers have lost data, and we still don't know how attackers are getting in. We need to communicate and work together on this. Pointing fingers or dismissing each other's theories won't help anyone.

    If someone has actual technical details about how the breach happened, please share. We can't protect ourselves or our clients if we don't understand what we're protecting against.

    I’m also trying to understand the situation. I would recommend the following are done:
    • Enable 2FA authentication in Virtualizor Settings (Requires logging into each slave manually if done only on master)
    • Disable terminal access from Master → Settings → Security on both the master panel and all nodes, then resync the nodes
    • Enable IP restriction for Virtualizor login access
    • Enable API IP restriction, allowing only your billing system’s IP address
    • Disable unnecessary API key permissions (for example, terminal access) by unticking them
    • Resync all nodes after making these changes
    • Enable 2FA for SSH on all master and slaaves using PAM
    • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Thanks

    Thanked by 1HOSTCAY
  • HOSTCAYHOSTCAY Member, Host Rep

    @rarecloud said:

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    I want to share some context that might be relevant here.

    We experienced something very similar last year on one of our test environments. An attacker gained access to our Virtualizor master panel and used the terminal feature to deploy crypto miners across all connected nodes. They even created additional VPS instances to run more miners. The method is exactly the same as what's being described now, the only difference is they're now demanding ransom instead of just mining.

    A friend of mine at another hosting company (who I won't name) had the exact same issue around the same time.

    Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    We never accused Virtualizor directly, and they never admitted anything. However, shortly after our incidents, they changed their ticketing system. Passwords are now automatically redacted from tickets after submission. Whether this was because they suspected an insider threat or simply wanted to protect themselves from liability, I can't say. But the timing was notable.

    Since then, we've implemented:
    - 2FA on all administrator accounts including root
    - Disabled terminal access on production nodes
    - IP restrictions on admin panel access

    My questions to those affected:

    1. Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?
    2. Has anyone actually reproduced the authentication bypass? Can we confirm this is a 0-day in the panel itself, or could this be another credential leak?

    The terminal feature isn't the vulnerability itself. It's just a powerful tool that becomes extremely dangerous when someone gains unauthorized access to the master panel. The real question is: how are attackers getting master panel access across multiple different providers?

    Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    @HostSlick @HOSTCAY @Cloudcone Did any of you open support tickets with Virtualizor before the attack? This could help establish a pattern.

    P.S. Now I'm auditing hundreds of servers to make sure everything is clean on our end 😅

    There was a Virtualizor support security breach at that time, which resulted in any passwords shared with support being exposed. This is old news, and users were notified by email and instructed to change their passwords. As a general security practice, passwords should always be changed after a support issue is resolved. This incident is also why Virtualizor replaced the old system with the new built-in support feature within the Virtualizor panel itself. This case is separate to that.

    I understand these are two separate incidents. My point was to provide context, not to suggest the current attacks are caused by the old ticket system breach.

    But this brings us back to the main question: if it's not a credential leak, then how are attackers getting into the admin panel now?

    I've spent last hours searching for any technical details about this exploit. Checked security forums, CVE databases, even tried to find the original script that was used. Nothing concrete. No one seems to have actually reproduced the authentication bypass. As @SecNinja explained that the TTY authentication flow looks solid with htpasswd protection.

    So what's the actual attack vector here? A 0-day in the panel authentication? Something else entirely?

    Look, this is serious. Multiple hosting providers are affected, thousands of customers have lost data, and we still don't know how attackers are getting in. We need to communicate and work together on this. Pointing fingers or dismissing each other's theories won't help anyone.

    If someone has actual technical details about how the breach happened, please share. We can't protect ourselves or our clients if we don't understand what we're protecting against.

    I’m also trying to understand the situation. I would recommend the following are done:
    • Enable 2FA authentication in Virtualizor Settings (Requires logging into each slave manually if done only on master)
    • Disable terminal access from Master → Settings → Security on both the master panel and all nodes, then resync the nodes
    • Enable IP restriction for Virtualizor login access
    • Enable API IP restriction, allowing only your billing system’s IP address
    • Disable unnecessary API key permissions (for example, terminal access) by unticking them
    • Resync all nodes after making these changes
    • Enable 2FA for SSH on all master and slaaves using PAM
    • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Thanks

    Crești mare!

    Thanked by 2rarecloud sillycat
  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    @HOSTCAY said:

    @rarecloud said:

    I want to share some context that might be relevant here.

    We experienced something very similar last year on one of our test environments. An attacker gained access to our Virtualizor master panel and used the terminal feature to deploy crypto miners across all connected nodes. They even created additional VPS instances to run more miners. The method is exactly the same as what's being described now, the only difference is they're now demanding ransom instead of just mining.

    A friend of mine at another hosting company (who I won't name) had the exact same issue around the same time.

    Here's what we suspected back then: Both of us had recently opened support tickets with Virtualizor and provided root credentials for troubleshooting. At that time, passwords submitted through their ticketing system remained visible in plain text indefinitely. This means any employee, or anyone who compromised their ticketing system, could go back and read old tickets containing master panel credentials.

    We never accused Virtualizor directly, and they never admitted anything. However, shortly after our incidents, they changed their ticketing system. Passwords are now automatically redacted from tickets after submission. Whether this was because they suspected an insider threat or simply wanted to protect themselves from liability, I can't say. But the timing was notable.

    Since then, we've implemented:
    - 2FA on all administrator accounts including root
    - Disabled terminal access on production nodes
    - IP restrictions on admin panel access

    My questions to those affected:

    1. Did you open a support ticket with Virtualizor recently (within the past few months) and provide credentials?
    2. Has anyone actually reproduced the authentication bypass? Can we confirm this is a 0-day in the panel itself, or could this be another credential leak?

    The terminal feature isn't the vulnerability itself. It's just a powerful tool that becomes extremely dangerous when someone gains unauthorized access to the master panel. The real question is: how are attackers getting master panel access across multiple different providers?

    Either there's a critical auth bypass vulnerability, or there's an ongoing credential leak somewhere.

    @HostSlick @HOSTCAY @Cloudcone Did any of you open support tickets with Virtualizor before the attack? This could help establish a pattern.

    P.S. Now I'm auditing hundreds of servers to make sure everything is clean on our end 😅

    There was a Virtualizor support security breach at that time, which resulted in any passwords shared with support being exposed. This is old news, and users were notified by email and instructed to change their passwords. As a general security practice, passwords should always be changed after a support issue is resolved. This incident is also why Virtualizor replaced the old system with the new built-in support feature within the Virtualizor panel itself. This case is separate to that.

    I understand these are two separate incidents. My point was to provide context, not to suggest the current attacks are caused by the old ticket system breach.

    But this brings us back to the main question: if it's not a credential leak, then how are attackers getting into the admin panel now?

    I've spent last hours searching for any technical details about this exploit. Checked security forums, CVE databases, even tried to find the original script that was used. Nothing concrete. No one seems to have actually reproduced the authentication bypass. As @SecNinja explained that the TTY authentication flow looks solid with htpasswd protection.

    So what's the actual attack vector here? A 0-day in the panel authentication? Something else entirely?

    Look, this is serious. Multiple hosting providers are affected, thousands of customers have lost data, and we still don't know how attackers are getting in. We need to communicate and work together on this. Pointing fingers or dismissing each other's theories won't help anyone.

    If someone has actual technical details about how the breach happened, please share. We can't protect ourselves or our clients if we don't understand what we're protecting against.

    I’m also trying to understand the situation. I would recommend the following are done:
    • Enable 2FA authentication in Virtualizor Settings (Requires logging into each slave manually if done only on master)
    • Disable terminal access from Master → Settings → Security on both the master panel and all nodes, then resync the nodes
    • Enable IP restriction for Virtualizor login access
    • Enable API IP restriction, allowing only your billing system’s IP address
    • Disable unnecessary API key permissions (for example, terminal access) by unticking them
    • Resync all nodes after making these changes
    • Enable 2FA for SSH on all master and slaaves using PAM
    • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Thanks

    Crești mare!

    Noroc.

    Thanked by 2oloke sillycat
  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited February 1

    @rarecloud said:
    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

    Maybe this vulnerability is not publicly known. Maybe Virtualizor did such a good damage control operation in making others keep silence, that itself has no idea what the vulnerability is either.

    EDIT: forgot the gif.

  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    @default said:

    @rarecloud said:
    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

    Maybe this vulnerability is not publicly known. Maybe Virtualizor did such a good damage control operation in making others keep silence, that itself has no idea what the vulnerability is either.

    EDIT: forgot the gif.

    My idea still stands. Even if it's a private exploit, attackers don't sit on 0-days and carefully pick targets. They exploit fast and wide before it gets patched. That's how the game works.

    A few specific providers getting hit? That's a target list, not a vulnerability scan... Hopefully :))

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @rarecloud said:

    @default said:

    @rarecloud said:
    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

    Maybe this vulnerability is not publicly known. Maybe Virtualizor did such a good damage control operation in making others keep silence, that itself has no idea what the vulnerability is either.

    EDIT: forgot the gif.

    My idea still stands. Even if it's a private exploit, attackers don't sit on 0-days and carefully pick targets. They exploit fast and wide before it gets patched. That's how the game works.

    A few specific providers getting hit? That's a target list, not a vulnerability scan... Hopefully :))

    Some vulnerabilities require privileges for successful exploitation, which in this case could mean that attacker must buy VPS first. Much harder to scale compared to scanning all exposed Virtualizor instances and sending some payload to all of them using cURL.

  • @rarecloud said: • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Do providers really give support staff Virtualizor login credentials?

    If that's the case for all providers that have been affected then it's almost certainly from a databreach there.

    @cu_olly referred to a such a security incident the softaculous had in 2025. Could be the from that same incident or another one.

    Often companies get pwned by infostealer logs that get resold/leaked on forums. Could also explain the 2FA bypass since cookies are typically included.

    Very standard stuff, there are literally thousands of employee credentials being sold every single week, there's even security products dedicated to tracking that stuff.

    Hey @virtualizor @SecNinja check this out:
    https://www.hudsonrock.com/search/domain/virtualizor.com
    Total Compromised: 133 records
    Last User Compromised: 37 days ago
    https://www.hudsonrock.com/search/domain/softaculous.com
    Total Compromised: 18,890 records
    Last User Compromised: 3 days ago
    Employees: 1,712 compromised employees
    Last Employee Compromised: 8 days ago

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @matey0 said:

    @rarecloud said: • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Do providers really give support staff Virtualizor login credentials?

    If that's the case for all providers that have been affected then it's almost certainly from a databreach there.

    @cu_olly referred to a such a security incident the softaculous had in 2025. Could be the from that same incident or another one.

    Often companies get pwned by infostealer logs that get resold/leaked on forums. Could also explain the 2FA bypass since cookies are typically included.

    Very standard stuff, there are literally thousands of employee credentials being sold every single week, there's even security products dedicated to tracking that stuff.

    Hey @virtualizor @SecNinja check this out:
    https://www.hudsonrock.com/search/domain/virtualizor.com
    Total Compromised: 133 records
    Last User Compromised: 37 days ago
    https://www.hudsonrock.com/search/domain/softaculous.com
    Total Compromised: 18,890 records
    Last User Compromised: 3 days ago
    Employees: 1,712 compromised employees
    Last Employee Compromised: 8 days ago

    Wheres that data from?
    Employees: 1,712 compromised employees

    lol? Watching porn every day in the office wanking and clicking the infected ads or how is that possible?

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  • matey0matey0 Member
    edited February 1

    @HostSlick said:

    @matey0 said:

    @rarecloud said: • Ensure all passwords are stored and managed securely and changed if you provided them to support last couple of months and haven’t change them.

    Do providers really give support staff Virtualizor login credentials?

    If that's the case for all providers that have been affected then it's almost certainly from a databreach there.

    @cu_olly referred to a such a security incident the softaculous had in 2025. Could be the from that same incident or another one.

    Often companies get pwned by infostealer logs that get resold/leaked on forums. Could also explain the 2FA bypass since cookies are typically included.

    Very standard stuff, there are literally thousands of employee credentials being sold every single week, there's even security products dedicated to tracking that stuff.

    Hey @virtualizor @SecNinja check this out:
    https://www.hudsonrock.com/search/domain/virtualizor.com
    Total Compromised: 133 records
    Last User Compromised: 37 days ago
    https://www.hudsonrock.com/search/domain/softaculous.com
    Total Compromised: 18,890 records
    Last User Compromised: 3 days ago
    Employees: 1,712 compromised employees
    Last Employee Compromised: 8 days ago

    Wheres that data from?
    Employees: 1,712 compromised employees

    lol? Watching porn every day in the office wanking and clicking the infected ads or how is that possible?

    Hudson Rock has a huge database of hundreds of millions of records in plain text.
    Probably freebies on forums, them buying up logs, etc.

    Note also that many of these infostealers are MaaS, so all it would take is access to a single central C2 to get complete infostealer logs from thousands of threat actors.
    E.g. RedLine was said to be responsible for like half of all infections globally.

    But yeah I also wonder how they get some of their data. Sometimes the hackers even infect themselves and end up leaking their credentials/identity:

    Regarding the quantity:
    Initial access happens through something stupid like phishing, porn, cracked software, ... on an employee machine. Either personal or company machines.
    Attackers then typically move laterally through insecure LAN setups, which is unfortunately often trivial in small companies.
    Then they look for data and dump infostealers on all machines, maybe install ransomware, ...

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  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited February 1

    @3K33 said:

    @emgh said:

    @zGato said: I believe some providers actually managed to migrate VM disks from Virtualizor to VirtFusion though, by creating a blank VM and then importing the disk manually or something like that.

    this shoulnd't be hard, should just be raw disk files, basically copy and replace

    done it many times between VF's, can't see this being different, maybe it is but would be surprised

    If its 5 servers then it’s easy, lets say you have 5000 VPS to migrate. You have to manually create a VPS, replace the disk and hope everything works. Add user creation and its few weeks of work, unless you automate it in some way + integrating new VF servers to billing system.

    If Virtfusion will provide migration tool, then we can certainly think about it.

    Only real way for a little bigger provider is to let legacy plan expires (like Incognet did) and force leftovers to move on it’s own. But this requires good enough growth and liquidity to get more servers.

    This. Basically.

    I recognized how massive of an undertaking it'd be to do this manually. A year or more ago we started using VirtFusion and encouraging self-migrations as we've basically dropped support for legacy VMs. Sadly there are still a ton on that platform but "moving everyone to VirtFusion" jumped closer to the top on my never ending to-do list in recent days.

    Will start in WA and PA first, just waiting on some new hardware. The migration process hopefully won't require the end user to do anything but be patient.

  • forestforest Member
    edited February 1

    @rarecloud said:
    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

    It doesn't have to be a reliable 0day that works on all configurations. 0days can be highly conditional, only working on certain versions with certain non-default configurations or requiring specific combinations of software versions. Some other 0days may require user interaction for the exploit to be triggered. There are plenty of possibilities that lie between "no exploit, can't do shit" and "reliable pre-auth remote code execution that can pwn every Virtualizor installation".

    That doesn't mean that this is a 0day, of course, just that you can't rule it out simply because it's not an insanely powerful one that can exploit any Virtualizor installation and because you didn't find it on public exploit databases.

    @rarecloud said: My idea still stands. Even if it's a private exploit, attackers don't sit on 0-days and carefully pick targets. They exploit fast and wide before it gets patched. That's how the game works.

    Not true. While some attackers do that, hoarding 0days is ridiculously common, especially if it's not remotely exploitable (there are lots of hoarded kernel LPEs, for example). I doubt any script kiddie would hoard a real 0day, though.

    Not everyone is eager to burn their 0day.

  • rarecloudrarecloud Member, Patron Provider

    @tentor said:

    @rarecloud said:

    @default said:

    @rarecloud said:
    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

    Maybe this vulnerability is not publicly known. Maybe Virtualizor did such a good damage control operation in making others keep silence, that itself has no idea what the vulnerability is either.

    EDIT: forgot the gif.

    My idea still stands. Even if it's a private exploit, attackers don't sit on 0-days and carefully pick targets. They exploit fast and wide before it gets patched. That's how the game works.

    A few specific providers getting hit? That's a target list, not a vulnerability scan... Hopefully :))

    Some vulnerabilities require privileges for successful exploitation, which in this case could mean that attacker must buy VPS first. Much harder to scale compared to scanning all exposed Virtualizor instances and sending some payload to all of them using cURL.

    Buying a VM doesn't give you access to the Master server. KVM is isolated, and nobody runs VMs on the master node anyway.

    What happened here is attackers had access to the Virtualizor panel itself, then used the terminal feature to reach all slave nodes. That's panel access, not a VM escape.

  • alfatarsosalfatarsos Member, Host Rep
    edited February 1

    If I had to guess... probably a vulnerability on a payload communication between servers. Just a wild idea.

    Because, if the WHMCS module is audited and Virtualizor is audited and no flaws are found, probably may not be something in one or the other... but in the middle.

    I'm intrigued.

  • @alfatarsos said:
    I'm intrigued.

    I think most people are at this point.

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  • CloudHopperCloudHopper Member
    edited February 1

    Just received this in a private message from @virtualizor

    Where has the hacker claimed they used any vulnerability in ColoCrossing or CloudCones case. ColoCrossing was having a breach because of the screenshots that leaked and unfortunately they didn't have an ip restriction on their panel for the Admin Panel side.

    Whatever breaches that have happened and have come to the front is because of root passwords leaked during that time.

    Ouiheberg got compromised for which we were blamed but their POC was not anything close to a POC and was an AI generated inaccurate POC. They obviously blamed and ghosted us.

    We are not yet sure about CloudCone, and are awaiting details from them. The security terminal thing they mentioned seems to be inaccurate. We are not ruling out that the password was leaked in 2025 and their password was not updated or the hacker placed a backdoor then and used it now.

    We will investigate and post, but please don't blame us if a host didn't have a firewall in place nor updated the root password since the 2025 leak

    No idea why they're messaging me privately rather than communicating with their actual customers, but maybe they want me to read the forum for them... 🤷‍♀️

    Also, all the providers who've been hacked recently didn't change their root passwords since the last hack, so don't blame them for their customer's incompetence 😬

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  • @CloudHopper said:
    Just received this in a private message from @virtualizor

    Where has the hacker claimed they used any vulnerability in ColoCrossing or CloudCones case. ColoCrossing was having a breach because of the screenshots that leaked and unfortunately they didn't have an ip restriction on their panel for the Admin Panel side.

    Whatever breaches that have happened and have come to the front is because of root passwords leaked during that time.

    Ouiheberg got compromised for which we were blamed but their POC was not anything close to a POC and was an AI generated inaccurate POC. They obviously blamed and ghosted us.

    We are not yet sure about CloudCone, and are awaiting details from them. The security terminal thing they mentioned seems to be inaccurate. We are not ruling out that the password was leaked in 2025 and their password was not updated or the hacker placed a backdoor then and used it now.

    We will investigate and post, but please don't blame us if a host didn't have a firewall in place nor updated the root password since the 2025 leak

    No idea why they're messaging me privately rather than communicating with their actual customers, but maybe they want me to read the forum for them... 🤷‍♀️

    Also, all the providers who've been hacked recently didn't change their root passwords since the last hack, so don't blame them for their customer's incompetence 😬

    For transparency, I just replied to them with the following....

    1. Read the forum
    2. Stop blaming your customers
    3. I'm not your customer, directly or indirectly, so I have no idea why you're messaging me...
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep
    edited February 1

    @rarecloud said:

    @tentor said:

    @rarecloud said:

    @default said:

    @rarecloud said:
    I don't think this is a 0-day. Real 0-days don't discriminate. If attackers had one, they'd scan every IP for port 4085 and nuke everyone, not just a few unlucky providers 😄

    Did some digging through exploit databases and found absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. 🤷

    Maybe this vulnerability is not publicly known. Maybe Virtualizor did such a good damage control operation in making others keep silence, that itself has no idea what the vulnerability is either.

    EDIT: forgot the gif.

    My idea still stands. Even if it's a private exploit, attackers don't sit on 0-days and carefully pick targets. They exploit fast and wide before it gets patched. That's how the game works.

    A few specific providers getting hit? That's a target list, not a vulnerability scan... Hopefully :))

    Some vulnerabilities require privileges for successful exploitation, which in this case could mean that attacker must buy VPS first. Much harder to scale compared to scanning all exposed Virtualizor instances and sending some payload to all of them using cURL.

    Buying a VM doesn't give you access to the Master server. KVM is isolated, and nobody runs VMs on the master node anyway.

    What happened here is attackers had access to the Virtualizor panel itself, then used the terminal feature to reach all slave nodes. That's panel access, not a VM escape.

    I have never said anything about VM escape.

    What I said is that some privileges could be required. When someone orders VPS they get account created in Virtualizor automatically. However, as for CloudCone case, if I understood correct all management of customers' VPS happen using one same shared account, which is controlled by CloudCone's own panel (acting as a middle proxy), yet attacker could still issue commands for Virtualizor over it (i.e. start/reboot VPS, and probably something else which has vulnerability).

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  • hostslick is down since last night utc+7, when will the vps up again?

  • whynotlearnwhynotlearn Member
    edited February 1

    @default said:
    I love it how the providers united to become the #LowEndDetectives for consumer protection.

    Virtualizor is now exposed.

    LowEndDetectives #LowEndDoakes

    Looks like Lowendproviders have become lowenddoakes instead

    Virtualizor right now

    Just another dexter meme before I go.

    I do think that the matter is very serious though and I think I am pretty serious but this time just wanted to lighten the mood on what is a very genuine issue.

    Hope that the issue can get fixed most likely. When Cloudcone was hacked, I had thought that it couldn't be virtualizor because virtualizor was hacked then other providers would've come too .but now with further information. Virtualizor's the culprit from what I can tell.

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