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Hetzner arbitrarily blocks customers

I registered with Hetzner, but I don't know why I was banned. I think this is terrible; I have a lot of data on the server.

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  • x0x0xx0x0x Member

    @byrtty said:
    I registered with Hetzner, but I don't know why I was banned. I think this is terrible; I have a lot of data on the server.

    It's possible they see either you or your data as terrible, so they banned you.

  • @x0x0x said:

    @byrtty said:
    I registered with Hetzner, but I don't know why I was banned. I think this is terrible; I have a lot of data on the server.

    It's possible they see either you or your data as terrible, so they banned you.

    What should I do now?

  • x0x0xx0x0x Member

    @byrtty said:

    @x0x0x said:

    @byrtty said:
    I registered with Hetzner, but I don't know why I was banned. I think this is terrible; I have a lot of data on the server.

    It's possible they see either you or your data as terrible, so they banned you.

    What should I do now?

    Swipe left and find a better match.

  • byrttybyrtty Barred
    edited January 28

    My account was banned.

  • @byrtty said:

    @x0x0x said:

    @byrtty said:
    I registered with Hetzner, but I don't know why I was banned. I think this is terrible; I have a lot of data on the server.

    It's possible they see either you or your data as terrible, so they banned you.

    What should I do now?

    Not responding to every single thread on this board that mentions Hetzner would be a good start.

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • systemfreakssystemfreaks Member, Patron Provider

    Contact them, they will state the reason and probably ask you to provide more information and ID proof, if you pass their fraud checks they will activate your account, do not try to create multiple accounts

  • I now want them to restore my account; I need to get my data back.I don't understand why they deleted my account.

  • zedzed Member

    @byrtty said: What should I do now?

    I'm sure they have some sort of appeal process, contact their support. All we can do here is make fun of your plight, sorry.

    Thanked by 1ralf
  • @zed said:

    @byrtty said: What should I do now?

    I'm sure they have some sort of appeal process, contact their support. All we can do here is make fun of your plight, sorry.

    What an unlucky day!

  • You complain too much, i try for almost 2years untill it's success somehow and was after they add new verification method and again they didn't accept my application and review it then done

  • cloudblastcloudblast Member, Patron Provider
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @byrtty said:
    I now want them to restore my account; I need to get my data back.I don't understand why they deleted my account.

    Just one word: BACKUP

    Thanked by 2WyvernCo tux
  • In another thread OP quote hetzner notice:
    We have noticed irregularities on your account, so we unfortunately cannot have a contract with you at the present time. We have therefore had to close your account.

    What is "irregularities" means?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @SashkaPro said:
    In another thread OP quote hetzner notice:
    We have noticed irregularities on your account, so we unfortunately cannot have a contract with you at the present time. We have therefore had to close your account.

    What is "irregularities" means?

    If they told you, then they wouldn’t be useful filters anymore and they would have to move to using signals that they hadn’t told you about, which creates the same situation but with more blacklisted IPs in the short term.

    Thanked by 1bikegremlin
  • @jar said:

    @SashkaPro said:
    In another thread OP quote hetzner notice:
    We have noticed irregularities on your account, so we unfortunately cannot have a contract with you at the present time. We have therefore had to close your account.

    What is "irregularities" means?

    If they told you, then they wouldn’t be useful filters anymore and they would have to move to using signals that they hadn’t told you about, which creates the same situation but with more blacklisted IPs in the short term.

    So, this is something about abuse (spam, porn, torrents)?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @SashkaPro said:

    @jar said:

    @SashkaPro said:
    In another thread OP quote hetzner notice:
    We have noticed irregularities on your account, so we unfortunately cannot have a contract with you at the present time. We have therefore had to close your account.

    What is "irregularities" means?

    If they told you, then they wouldn’t be useful filters anymore and they would have to move to using signals that they hadn’t told you about, which creates the same situation but with more blacklisted IPs in the short term.

    So, this is something about abuse (spam, porn, torrents)?

    I don't know. We'll never know. Could be statistical risk analysis based on any number of factors.

  • go with other provider

  • Unfortunate they aren't willing to at least send you a VM image or something.

  • forestforest Member
    edited January 28

    @jar said:

    @SashkaPro said:
    In another thread OP quote hetzner notice:
    We have noticed irregularities on your account, so we unfortunately cannot have a contract with you at the present time. We have therefore had to close your account.

    What is "irregularities" means?

    If they told you, then they wouldn’t be useful filters anymore and they would have to move to using signals that they hadn’t told you about, which creates the same situation but with more blacklisted IPs in the short term.

    That's called security through obscurity and does not stop bad actors.

    The reality is that it's easier to defend an automated decision with a vague explanation than to defend precise reasoning which, being automated, has a decent likelihood of being weak. They can save money on support overhead that way. Hetzner is not unique in that regard, and this crappy practice is, unfortunately, quite normal.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited January 28

    @forest said: That's called security through obscurity and does not stop bad actors.

    I assume you've never dealt with abuse at scale. Telling people what you are looking for to proactively identify threats to your service does one of two things:

    1. Increases network abuse and decreases network reputation
    2. Increases overhead for abuse prevention which increases prices and decreases customers

    There is no sane argument for openly telling people how to get around abuse prevention mechanisms. It's exactly why open source spam filters suck in the days of AI: You can't tell people what you are looking for to define a bad actor if your goal is to reduce the number of bad actors.

    So yes, "security through obscurity" when defined that way absolutely has its value. No matter how much it makes armchair security experts screech like banshees.

  • forestforest Member
    edited January 28

    @jar said: I assume you've never dealt with abuse at scale.

    I have, and it only stops the low-hanging fruit. Maybe it's different in the hosting industry, but I've been working in infosec for nearly 20 years, and, while hiding information absolutely has its value, the value of hiding filter rules (whether it's Suricata or fraud signs in checkout) is very, very limited, at least when a threat actor is able to obtain feedback about the filter (which they are in this case). The most it will do is reduce noise and must not be thought of as a point of policy enforcement.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @forest said: Maybe it's different in the hosting industry

    It is.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @forest said:

    @jar said: I assume you've never dealt with abuse at scale.

    I have, and it only stops the low-hanging fruit. Maybe it's different in the hosting industry, but I've been working in infosec for nearly 20 years, and, while hiding information absolutely has its value, the value of hiding filter rules (whether it's Suricata or fraud flags) is very, very limited, at least when a threat actor is able to obtain feedback about the filter (which they are in this case).

    I am sure there is big difference between threat hunting and minimising abuse/fraud.

    Thanked by 1bikegremlin
  • forestforest Member
    edited January 28

    @jar said:

    @forest said: Maybe it's different in the hosting industry

    It is.

    That's fair. My experience is almost exclusively with more "personal" threat actors (think corporate intelligence / "corporate espionage" rather than high-volume spam or fraud).

    Thanked by 1bikegremlin
  • @jsg said:

    @byrtty said:
    I now want them to restore my account; I need to get my data back.I don't understand why they deleted my account.

    Just one word: BACKUP

    Wrong. He already lost access.

    The correct response is: RESTORE FROM BACKUP.

  • @forest said:

    @jar said:

    @forest said: Maybe it's different in the hosting industry

    It is.

    That's fair. My experience is almost exclusively with more "personal" threat actors (think corporate intelligence / "corporate espionage" rather than high-volume spam or fraud).

    Those are the ones who will find ways and continue until successful. Removing low hanging fruit is just common sense at scale.

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