India court system utilized by dmca moguls

JasonM · January 13

List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun
dynadot
namecheap (and spaceship)
namesilo
ovh
openprovider
godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

matey0 · January 13

@TimboJones said:

@matey0 said:

@Levi said:

@rpqu said:

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@xvps said:

@DataRecovery said:

@Levi said: so called “pirate websites”

Here's a full list in case you'd like some movie this evening:

https://torrentfreak.com/images/high_court_order-8.pdf

99% of them used CloudFlare to hide their IP addresses.

Cloudflare used to effectively directly distribute the media of 99% of piracy streaming sites, since they were kind enough to cache HLS segments on the edge.

These days they block video streaming over their regular CDN and instead display a warning/blocking message in place of the video when someone tries to do so.

So for the media servers streaming sites don't really use Cloudflare anymore.

It's still pretty crazy Cloudflare gets away with their whole argument of being a neutral gateway, when they knowingly cache/host some pretty bad sites. It's probably because they're a US intelligence asset.

What’s the point for usa inteligence service from pirate content cache? There is people in inteligence service which analyzes cloudflare cached data and get paid for doing that?

They stopped caching media because it's expensive and not useful.
But cloudflare is 100% interested in continuing to host things like hacking forums, illegal drug stores, etc.

Intelligence agencies hate crypto. Then a US company emerged with unbeatable pricing and free tiers that ended up terminating TLS for 25% of web traffic and close to 100% of shady websites. You do the maths.

Trump has crypto. There is no hate for money, but it should be in the right pocket.

I think this is flat earth type theory. Cf hunts profit above all else, as business should do.

crypto as in cryptography, diffie-hellman, PKI

Good catch! They have all the keys from all doors. You should be pretty annoying cocroach to get attention, though.

Wild how you would think crypto would refer to cryptocurrency in this context.

It's wild you did instead of the actually used cryptography.

Snowden leaks showed how the NSA enjoyed collecting, classifying and analyzing all internet traffic before widespread encryption. Cloudflare brings them back to the good old days.

Will you ever notice that you’re being spied on? Likely not, unless you’re a target for them. But privacy is a human right.

You also wouldn’t notice if they had CCTV feeds all across your house, or if they were recording your screen and webcam at all times. Doesn’t mean that you would like that.

Are you fucking blind? That's fucking silly.

No idea what you're trying to say. Did you misunderstand what I wrote?

matey0 · January 13

@JasonM said:
List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun

dynadot

namecheap (and spaceship)

namesilo

ovh

openprovider

godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

Indian law enforcement is fucking weird.

For example, they fail to do anything against scam callcenters, despite mountains of proof, in so many cases. On the rare occasion that they do execute a raid, the scammers get off scot-free days later and continue like normal.
Except when a foreign law enforcement gets involved, then they swiftly punish the criminals.

They are highly corrupt and have very little sovereignty once foreign players get involved.

air4x · January 13

@BlaZe said:
Sadly, when you hire people not based on merit, you have donkeys leading the crowd.

In India, we give important positions to idiots with no/less merit just because they belong to some specific religion/caste.

I'm pretty sure the folks at the helm, do not have an iota of understanding how all this works and have just blatantly given the ruling.

Donkeys leading the higher judiciary is unfortunately true in India. Higher judiciary is passed down in a hereditary manner, as it is a panel of sitting judges who select new judges, who in most cases are relatives of retired and sitting judges. And no surprise, most idiots belong to certain castes that represent a small fraction of the country. The very ones renowned for their stupid religious superstitions, and keeping the land a backwater for centuries while other civilizations progressed through science and technology. So their lack of understanding of modern technology is no surprise.

Levi · January 13

@matey0 said:

@JasonM said:
List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun

dynadot

namecheap (and spaceship)

namesilo

ovh

openprovider

godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

Indian law enforcement is fucking weird.

For example, they fail to do anything against scam callcenters, despite mountains of proof, in so many cases. On the rare occasion that they do execute a raid, the scammers get off scot-free days later and continue like normal.
Except when a foreign law enforcement gets involved, then they swiftly punish the criminals.

They are highly corrupt and have very little sovereignty once foreign players get involved.

Justice can be bought. In India it is more affordable then in Norway for example. But non-the-less - everyone and everything can be bought.

rpqu · January 13

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@JasonM said:
List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun

dynadot

namecheap (and spaceship)

namesilo

ovh

openprovider

godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

Indian law enforcement is fucking weird.

For example, they fail to do anything against scam callcenters, despite mountains of proof, in so many cases. On the rare occasion that they do execute a raid, the scammers get off scot-free days later and continue like normal.
Except when a foreign law enforcement gets involved, then they swiftly punish the criminals.

They are highly corrupt and have very little sovereignty once foreign players get involved.

everyone and everything can be bought.

So it seems

default · January 13

This is a bit weird, because a court in India can suspend a domain which might not even offer services in India. For example if a website is completely blocking services and access from India, the court there can still suspend the domain. This creates a huge problem because a single corrupted country can disrupt online services globally.

sillycat · January 13

@default said: This creates a huge problem because a single corrupted country can disrupt online services globally.

No sane registrar should follow orders from a court god knows where. If you're an American company, what authority does an Indian court have?

JasonM · January 13

@default said: This is a bit weird, because a court in India can suspend a domain which might not even offer services in India. For example if a website is completely blocking services and access from India, the court there can still suspend the domain. This creates a huge problem because a single corrupted country can disrupt online services globally.

they block the infringing site in India.
and also they block the domain registrar site in India (loss of new sales)

rpqu · January 13

@default said:
This is a bit weird, because a court in India can suspend a domain which might not even offer services in India. For example if a website is completely blocking services and access from India, the court there can still suspend the domain. This creates a huge problem because a single corrupted country can disrupt online services globally.

Sanjay Gandhi was right

varwww · January 13

ya this is going on since past few years. You need not worry if you have a legit site. This mostly affects piracy related domains. They even pre-emptively blocked several domains in 2018 before some major movie release https://torrentfreak.com/12564-sites-preemptively-blocked-to-protect-indias-most-expensive-movie-181129/

even in 2023 - https://piracymonitor.org/india-citing-spiderman-high-court-orders-pre-emptive-blocking/

seems like some legal loophole, if not India - it would be some other country. I think like other's said it is working since the registrars in this list have a major customer base from India and they are worried about losing this client base and hence comply.

Tange · January 13

@matey0 said:

@xvps said:

@DataRecovery said:

@Levi said: so called “pirate websites”

Here's a full list in case you'd like some movie this evening:

https://torrentfreak.com/images/high_court_order-8.pdf

99% of them used CloudFlare to hide their IP addresses.

Cloudflare used to effectively directly distribute the media of 99% of piracy streaming sites, since they were kind enough to cache HLS segments on the edge.

These days they block video streaming over their regular CDN and instead display a warning/blocking message in place of the video when someone tries to do so.

So for the media servers streaming sites don't really use Cloudflare anymore.

It's still pretty crazy Cloudflare gets away with their whole argument of being a neutral gateway, when they knowingly cache/host some pretty bad sites. It's probably because they're a US intelligence asset.

i think CF only banned streaming on their free plan account, you can still streaming on paid plan account. because i still saw many big sites use CF to streaming

matey0 · January 13

@Tange said:

@matey0 said:

@xvps said:

@DataRecovery said:

@Levi said: so called “pirate websites”

Here's a full list in case you'd like some movie this evening:

https://torrentfreak.com/images/high_court_order-8.pdf

99% of them used CloudFlare to hide their IP addresses.

Cloudflare used to effectively directly distribute the media of 99% of piracy streaming sites, since they were kind enough to cache HLS segments on the edge.

These days they block video streaming over their regular CDN and instead display a warning/blocking message in place of the video when someone tries to do so.

So for the media servers streaming sites don't really use Cloudflare anymore.

It's still pretty crazy Cloudflare gets away with their whole argument of being a neutral gateway, when they knowingly cache/host some pretty bad sites. It's probably because they're a US intelligence asset.

i think CF only banned streaming on their free plan account, you can still streaming on paid plan account. because i still saw many big sites use CF to streaming

Cloudflare has their own streaming service, so for legal non-copyright infringing content that still works.
I saw most sites move their media servers to regular self-hosted IPs, instead of mostly Cloudflare like it used to be. Maybe theres some that still get away with it, Cloudflare has infinite money and bandwidth anyways.

The retarded thing with streaming over a cached Cloudflare proxy is that Cloudflare effectively caches and directly serves ~90% of traffic, while forwarding DMCA complaints to whichever DMCA-ignored backend/proxy the piracy site is using. They claim they're a neutral gateway yada yada when in reality they effectively are a DMCA-ignored CDN.

They can't play that same argument if you're using their official streaming service and hosting on R2, so they have to handle DMCA reports.

3K33 · January 13

@matey0 said:

@JasonM said:
List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun

dynadot

namecheap (and spaceship)

namesilo

ovh

openprovider

godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

Indian law enforcement is fucking weird.

For example, they fail to do anything against scam callcenters, despite mountains of proof, in so many cases. On the rare occasion that they do execute a raid, the scammers get off scot-free days later and continue like normal.
Except when a foreign law enforcement gets involved, then they swiftly punish the criminals.

They are highly corrupt and have very little sovereignty once foreign players get involved.

Corruption. Scam centers are handled by local police not big corporations like DMCA-related in high courts. And when they do react to scam center, it just opens up again next day under same ownership. It’s all a fiction.

Tange · January 13

@matey0 said:

Cloudflare has their own streaming service, so for legal non-copyright infringing content that still works.
I saw most sites move their media servers to regular self-hosted IPs, instead of mostly Cloudflare like it used to be. Maybe theres some that still get away with it, Cloudflare has infinite money and bandwidth anyways.

The retarded thing with streaming over a cached Cloudflare proxy is that Cloudflare effectively caches and directly serves ~90% of traffic, while forwarding DMCA complaints to whichever DMCA-ignored backend/proxy the piracy site is using. They claim they're a neutral gateway yada yada when in reality they effectively are a DMCA-ignored CDN.

They can't play that same argument if you're using their official streaming service and hosting on R2, so they have to handle DMCA reports.

yeah, if CF banned them all, i think most free movie/video sites will shutdown, because they can't pay the bandwidth bill

matey0 · January 13

@Tange said:

@matey0 said:

Cloudflare has their own streaming service, so for legal non-copyright infringing content that still works.
I saw most sites move their media servers to regular self-hosted IPs, instead of mostly Cloudflare like it used to be. Maybe theres some that still get away with it, Cloudflare has infinite money and bandwidth anyways.

The retarded thing with streaming over a cached Cloudflare proxy is that Cloudflare effectively caches and directly serves ~90% of traffic, while forwarding DMCA complaints to whichever DMCA-ignored backend/proxy the piracy site is using. They claim they're a neutral gateway yada yada when in reality they effectively are a DMCA-ignored CDN.

They can't play that same argument if you're using their official streaming service and hosting on R2, so they have to handle DMCA reports.

yeah, if CF banned them all, i think most free movie/video sites will shutdown, because they can't pay the bandwidth bill

For movies, I just checked some sample IPs I got for their media servers:
voe (cdn-lwlvsywuuq2ifiqn.edgeon-bandwidth.com):

{
  "ip": "50.7.239.66",
  "city": "Lelystad",
  "region": "Flevoland",
  "country": "NL",
  "loc": "52.5083,5.4750",
  "org": "AS30058 FDCservers.net",
  "postal": "8224",
  "timezone": "Europe/Amsterdam",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}

vidoza (cache74.vidoza.net):

{
  "ip": "46.229.253.78",
  "hostname": "cloud.46.229.253.78.zetservers.com",
  "city": "Frankfurt am Main",
  "region": "Hesse",
  "country": "DE",
  "loc": "50.1155,8.6842",
  "org": "AS25198 INTERKVM HOST SRL",
  "postal": "60306",
  "timezone": "Europe/Berlin",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}

doodstream (o299la.cloudatacdn.com):

{
  "ip": "141.94.139.160",
  "hostname": "ns31419994.ip-141-94-139.eu",
  "city": "Strasbourg",
  "region": "Grand Est",
  "country": "FR",
  "loc": "48.5839,7.7455",
  "org": "AS16276 OVH SAS",
  "postal": "67000",
  "timezone": "Europe/Paris",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}

streamtape (861605437.tapecontent.net):

{
  "ip": "51.91.14.61",
  "hostname": "ns3149459.ip-51-91-14.eu",
  "city": "Gravelines",
  "region": "Hauts-de-France",
  "country": "FR",
  "loc": "50.9865,2.1281",
  "org": "AS16276 OVH SAS",
  "postal": "59820",
  "timezone": "Europe/Paris",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}

Most interestingly, some sites are abusing https://p{n}-ad-site-sign-sg.tiktokcdn.com/ad-site-i18n-sg/*. I assume they upload segments as ads and can host from their CDN without being charged for bandwidth? TikTok probably isn't even aware of this lol.

But as you can see, most of these "big players" even get away with using regular, non-dmca ignoring hosts. DoodStream has been one of the biggest for years now, and has been on OVH the entire time

Tange · January 13

@matey0 said:

@Tange said:

@matey0 said:

Cloudflare has their own streaming service, so for legal non-copyright infringing content that still works.
I saw most sites move their media servers to regular self-hosted IPs, instead of mostly Cloudflare like it used to be. Maybe theres some that still get away with it, Cloudflare has infinite money and bandwidth anyways.

The retarded thing with streaming over a cached Cloudflare proxy is that Cloudflare effectively caches and directly serves ~90% of traffic, while forwarding DMCA complaints to whichever DMCA-ignored backend/proxy the piracy site is using. They claim they're a neutral gateway yada yada when in reality they effectively are a DMCA-ignored CDN.

They can't play that same argument if you're using their official streaming service and hosting on R2, so they have to handle DMCA reports.

yeah, if CF banned them all, i think most free movie/video sites will shutdown, because they can't pay the bandwidth bill

For movies, I just checked some sample IPs I got for their media servers:
voe (cdn-lwlvsywuuq2ifiqn.edgeon-bandwidth.com):
{
  "ip": "50.7.239.66",
  "city": "Lelystad",
  "region": "Flevoland",
  "country": "NL",
  "loc": "52.5083,5.4750",
  "org": "AS30058 FDCservers.net",
  "postal": "8224",
  "timezone": "Europe/Amsterdam",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}
vidoza (cache74.vidoza.net):
{
  "ip": "46.229.253.78",
  "hostname": "cloud.46.229.253.78.zetservers.com",
  "city": "Frankfurt am Main",
  "region": "Hesse",
  "country": "DE",
  "loc": "50.1155,8.6842",
  "org": "AS25198 INTERKVM HOST SRL",
  "postal": "60306",
  "timezone": "Europe/Berlin",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}
doodstream (o299la.cloudatacdn.com):
{
  "ip": "141.94.139.160",
  "hostname": "ns31419994.ip-141-94-139.eu",
  "city": "Strasbourg",
  "region": "Grand Est",
  "country": "FR",
  "loc": "48.5839,7.7455",
  "org": "AS16276 OVH SAS",
  "postal": "67000",
  "timezone": "Europe/Paris",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}
streamtape (861605437.tapecontent.net):
{
  "ip": "51.91.14.61",
  "hostname": "ns3149459.ip-51-91-14.eu",
  "city": "Gravelines",
  "region": "Hauts-de-France",
  "country": "FR",
  "loc": "50.9865,2.1281",
  "org": "AS16276 OVH SAS",
  "postal": "59820",
  "timezone": "Europe/Paris",
  "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"
}
Most interestingly, some sites are abusing https://p{n}-ad-site-sign-sg.tiktokcdn.com/ad-site-i18n-sg/*. I assume they upload segments as ads and can host from their CDN without being charged for bandwidth? TikTok probably isn't even aware of this lol.

But as you can see, most of these "big players" even get away with using regular, non-dmca ignoring hosts. DoodStream has been one of the biggest for years now, and has been on OVH the entire time

those are all video hosting service providers, they make money on it, so CF kicked them out, make sense to me.

i saw the CF abuse notice on one site which is not "video hosting service provider", the notice says "not allowed on free account" or something like that

they abuse tiktok's CDN for a long time, however tiktok delete these content constantly, it's a cat & mouse game

ascicode · January 13

Why ban the good and not the bad?
Why do we get called by them, while they dont?

TimboJones · January 14

@matey0 said:

@TimboJones said:

@matey0 said:

@Levi said:

@rpqu said:

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@xvps said:

@DataRecovery said:

@Levi said: so called “pirate websites”

Here's a full list in case you'd like some movie this evening:

https://torrentfreak.com/images/high_court_order-8.pdf

99% of them used CloudFlare to hide their IP addresses.

Cloudflare used to effectively directly distribute the media of 99% of piracy streaming sites, since they were kind enough to cache HLS segments on the edge.

These days they block video streaming over their regular CDN and instead display a warning/blocking message in place of the video when someone tries to do so.

So for the media servers streaming sites don't really use Cloudflare anymore.

It's still pretty crazy Cloudflare gets away with their whole argument of being a neutral gateway, when they knowingly cache/host some pretty bad sites. It's probably because they're a US intelligence asset.

What’s the point for usa inteligence service from pirate content cache? There is people in inteligence service which analyzes cloudflare cached data and get paid for doing that?

They stopped caching media because it's expensive and not useful.
But cloudflare is 100% interested in continuing to host things like hacking forums, illegal drug stores, etc.

Intelligence agencies hate crypto. Then a US company emerged with unbeatable pricing and free tiers that ended up terminating TLS for 25% of web traffic and close to 100% of shady websites. You do the maths.

Trump has crypto. There is no hate for money, but it should be in the right pocket.

I think this is flat earth type theory. Cf hunts profit above all else, as business should do.

crypto as in cryptography, diffie-hellman, PKI

Good catch! They have all the keys from all doors. You should be pretty annoying cocroach to get attention, though.

Wild how you would think crypto would refer to cryptocurrency in this context.

It's wild you did instead of the actually used cryptography.

Snowden leaks showed how the NSA enjoyed collecting, classifying and analyzing all internet traffic before widespread encryption. Cloudflare brings them back to the good old days.

Will you ever notice that you’re being spied on? Likely not, unless you’re a target for them. But privacy is a human right.

You also wouldn’t notice if they had CCTV feeds all across your house, or if they were recording your screen and webcam at all times. Doesn’t mean that you would like that.

Are you fucking blind? That's fucking silly.

No idea what you're trying to say. Did you misunderstand what I wrote?

Yes, you're so paranoid you think there could be CCTV feeds all across their house and screen recordings at all times and not notice. That's pretty ignorant. Or stupid.

If they don't want you to know you're being observed, they'd use wireless.

TimboJones · January 14

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@JasonM said:
List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun

dynadot

namecheap (and spaceship)

namesilo

ovh

openprovider

godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

Indian law enforcement is fucking weird.

For example, they fail to do anything against scam callcenters, despite mountains of proof, in so many cases. On the rare occasion that they do execute a raid, the scammers get off scot-free days later and continue like normal.
Except when a foreign law enforcement gets involved, then they swiftly punish the criminals.

They are highly corrupt and have very little sovereignty once foreign players get involved.

Justice can be bought. In India it is more affordable then in Norway for example. But non-the-less - everyone and everything can be bought.

Justice isn't the correct word you're thinking of.

rpqu · January 14

@3K33 said:

@matey0 said:

@JasonM said:
List of Registrars who have either legal presence in India or have appointed Special Officer to deal with Indian law enforcement notices:

porkbun

dynadot

namecheap (and spaceship)

namesilo

ovh

openprovider

godaddy

these registrars will act to take down your domain and give all the PII to indian courts on their request. Information includes domain registrant name, address, email, IP logs, payment methods, etc.

If they don't then court gives order to ban their sites in India (and it has done so in the past. Dynadot, Namesilo, first did not acted on court notice and their entire domains were banned. Read some threads on Namepros and other forums about this)

there could be many more domain registrars that can be added to the list. Just check if there is metion of "India" in seperate clause in TOS or Legal agreements with your registrar.

Indian law enforcement is fucking weird.

For example, they fail to do anything against scam callcenters, despite mountains of proof, in so many cases. On the rare occasion that they do execute a raid, the scammers get off scot-free days later and continue like normal.
Except when a foreign law enforcement gets involved, then they swiftly punish the criminals.

They are highly corrupt and have very little sovereignty once foreign players get involved.

Corruption. Scam centers are handled by local police not big corporations like DMCA-related in high courts. And when they do react to scam center, it just opens up again next day under same ownership. It’s all a fiction.

If we apply the same sanction, they should have been blocked from registrar, VoIP, etc despite overwhelming evidence from CDRs, IPDRs associated with the KYC.
Of course that didn't happened because of corrupt police (leaking raid plans) and absence of single authority database which could deny citizen some type of digital service, if they were associated with scam operations.

matey0 · January 14

@TimboJones said:

@matey0 said:

@TimboJones said:

@matey0 said:

@Levi said:

@rpqu said:

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@Levi said:

@matey0 said:

@xvps said:

@DataRecovery said:

@Levi said: so called “pirate websites”

Here's a full list in case you'd like some movie this evening:

https://torrentfreak.com/images/high_court_order-8.pdf

99% of them used CloudFlare to hide their IP addresses.

Cloudflare used to effectively directly distribute the media of 99% of piracy streaming sites, since they were kind enough to cache HLS segments on the edge.

These days they block video streaming over their regular CDN and instead display a warning/blocking message in place of the video when someone tries to do so.

So for the media servers streaming sites don't really use Cloudflare anymore.

It's still pretty crazy Cloudflare gets away with their whole argument of being a neutral gateway, when they knowingly cache/host some pretty bad sites. It's probably because they're a US intelligence asset.

What’s the point for usa inteligence service from pirate content cache? There is people in inteligence service which analyzes cloudflare cached data and get paid for doing that?

They stopped caching media because it's expensive and not useful.
But cloudflare is 100% interested in continuing to host things like hacking forums, illegal drug stores, etc.

Intelligence agencies hate crypto. Then a US company emerged with unbeatable pricing and free tiers that ended up terminating TLS for 25% of web traffic and close to 100% of shady websites. You do the maths.

Trump has crypto. There is no hate for money, but it should be in the right pocket.

I think this is flat earth type theory. Cf hunts profit above all else, as business should do.

crypto as in cryptography, diffie-hellman, PKI

Good catch! They have all the keys from all doors. You should be pretty annoying cocroach to get attention, though.

Wild how you would think crypto would refer to cryptocurrency in this context.

It's wild you did instead of the actually used cryptography.

Snowden leaks showed how the NSA enjoyed collecting, classifying and analyzing all internet traffic before widespread encryption. Cloudflare brings them back to the good old days.

Will you ever notice that you’re being spied on? Likely not, unless you’re a target for them. But privacy is a human right.

You also wouldn’t notice if they had CCTV feeds all across your house, or if they were recording your screen and webcam at all times. Doesn’t mean that you would like that.

Are you fucking blind? That's fucking silly.

No idea what you're trying to say. Did you misunderstand what I wrote?

Yes, you're so paranoid you think there could be CCTV feeds all across their house and screen recordings at all times and not notice. That's pretty ignorant. Or stupid.

If they don't want you to know you're being observed, they'd use wireless.

You misunderstood:

I made an example, because just like you wouldn’t notice, in the sense that it doesn’t “affect” you, when the NSA spies on you by collecting internet data, it also wouldn’t “affect” you if, say, you had CCTV in your house and they were watching that.

It beats the whole “I’ve got nothing to hide” and “they’re the good guys” argument. Privacy is a human right and it’s okay to be uncomfortable with being spied on, even if it never directly impacts your life.

I’m not saying that they actually are watching CCTV of civilian homes or webcams lols

Levi · January 14

@matey0 said: I’m not saying

Well, I'am pretty paranoid person, but I do not believe that I'am important enough for authorities observation. Your paranoia is healthy, but more towards surveillance en-masse and data exploitation for profit (monetary, political or similar). I guess it has it's place, but it is to much.

bdspice · January 19

sad that not a single big pirated movie site i know is not founded in the list.

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