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Can you explain why Openvz is now considered 'worthless' and should I avoid providers still using it

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  • @czed said:

    @user3028938 said:

    @Levi said:
    LXC > OpenVZ. Plus, OpenVZ was just a push towards Virtuozzo (ala "Proper virtualization").

    Something created for "profitability maximization" idea is never good for users...

    As an open-source advocate myself it certainly does seem better from that perspective.

    Btw what is the problem with ipv6 again? Is it just lack of current adoption over the wider internet - so compatibility issues rather than inherent problems with ipv6? I believe that was what it was from what I recall when researching last time and why I was going to go with ipv4 if wanting to host a forum on the server sometime in the future.

    IPv6 is fine, the demand just isn't there. Upgrading to IPv6 supported infrastructure is expensive, and for what? We may of "ran out" of IPv4's a decade ago, but they're still cheap and readily available.

    Yea I think the problem I came across when researching setting up a forum was IPv6 would be a lot more trouble when coming to make ssl certificates if I recall correctly, perhaps something related to ports?

  • user3028938user3028938 Member
    edited December 2025

    @Fourplex said:
    OpenVZ used to be popular since you could easily oversubscribe resources. This was useful in the early 2010s when servers were expensive.

    While RAM is super-expensive now, for years it got cheaper. This made it easier to use KVM. That combined with Docker's rise meant KVM became a standard among LET providers. DigitalOcean was also aggressive during the early-to-mid 2010s which pushed LET hosts to KVM.

    Now, very few people use anything else, outside of AWS (Xen) and Azure (Hyper-V). Compare that to the early 2010s where we had even overpriced hosts like Media Temple refusing to use KVM/Xen.

    I thought Docker would mean we'd have thin container hosts versus hypervisor hosts. I know Joyent did it (until they left the market and became a part of Samsung's IT department), but Joyent never took off.

    Interesting, thanks.

    Haha that sounds like just about the time I got into buying vpses. Huh? ram is expensive now? How times change. I still have it as cheap in my mind as 2013 is the last time I made a computer and would have bought any.

    Why did RAM prices increase? Some scarcity of resources? Another victim of crypto mining ASICS? :lol:

    Ah here is a post I remembered from an earlier thread of mine as I was looking through it, which seems to be a good summation, I remembered the post, generally that openvz is out, but not the details: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4410477/#Comment_4410477

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @Levi said: Wtf. Where do you live? Go to LIR section of the forum and look at the prices. IPv4 is priced like gold.

    Yet you can buy a VPS for less than $7/year that comes with IPv4.

    It's priced like cat food.

  • @raindog308 said:

    @Levi said: Wtf. Where do you live? Go to LIR section of the forum and look at the prices. IPv4 is priced like gold.

    Yet you can buy a VPS for less than $7/year that comes with IPv4.

    It's priced like cat food.

    My friends recently bitched about the cost of cat food. I'll tell them it's doable for $7/year. Thanks!

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  • @raindog308 said:

    @Levi said: Wtf. Where do you live? Go to LIR section of the forum and look at the prices. IPv4 is priced like gold.

    Yet you can buy a VPS for less than $7/year that comes with IPv4.

    It's priced like cat food.

    Tell me that VPS please!

  • @TimboJones said:

    @raindog308 said:

    @Levi said: Wtf. Where do you live? Go to LIR section of the forum and look at the prices. IPv4 is priced like gold.

    Yet you can buy a VPS for less than $7/year that comes with IPv4.

    It's priced like cat food.

    My friends recently bitched about the cost of cat food. I'll tell them it's doable for $7/year. Thanks!

    My mother too, she told that they charge the same but reduced the serving size per can.

  • @user3028938 said:

    @raindog308 said:

    @Levi said: Wtf. Where do you live? Go to LIR section of the forum and look at the prices. IPv4 is priced like gold.

    Yet you can buy a VPS for less than $7/year that comes with IPv4.

    It's priced like cat food.

    Tell me that VPS please!

    Look at the offers category, help yourself a little. The $7 thing is a meme, you probably don't want to waste time with that shittery (trust me bro) but there's several under $20/yr.

  • @user3028938 said:

    @czed said:

    @user3028938 said:

    @Levi said:
    LXC > OpenVZ. Plus, OpenVZ was just a push towards Virtuozzo (ala "Proper virtualization").

    Something created for "profitability maximization" idea is never good for users...

    As an open-source advocate myself it certainly does seem better from that perspective.

    Btw what is the problem with ipv6 again? Is it just lack of current adoption over the wider internet - so compatibility issues rather than inherent problems with ipv6? I believe that was what it was from what I recall when researching last time and why I was going to go with ipv4 if wanting to host a forum on the server sometime in the future.

    IPv6 is fine, the demand just isn't there. Upgrading to IPv6 supported infrastructure is expensive, and for what? We may of "ran out" of IPv4's a decade ago, but they're still cheap and readily available.

    Yea I think the problem I came across when researching setting up a forum was IPv6 would be a lot more trouble when coming to make ssl certificates if I recall correctly, perhaps something related to ports?

    That sounds strange, setting up ssl certificates relies on domain name, not ip, so it should make no difference if it's ip4 or ipv6.
    The ports are the same on ipv6 as on ip4.

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  • FourplexFourplex Member, Host Rep
    edited December 2025

    @user3028938 said:
    Haha that sounds like just about the time I got into buying vpses. Huh? ram is expensive now? How times change. I still have it as cheap in my mind as 2013 is the last time I made a computer and would have bought any.

    I built a PC in 2013 with 16GB of RAM. 16GB is still a common amount in 2025.

    I like to super-size RAM. My current 285K PC has 96GB of RAM. And an integrated GPU since I don't game!

    Why did RAM prices increase? Some scarcity of resources? Another victim of crypto mining ASICS? :lol:

    AI boom. DRAM manufacturers would rather make RAM for AI GPUs than consumer PCs because of "higher margins."

    It's like how GPUs were short during the crypto mining boom, since miners were more profitable than gamers.

    But what they forget is the gaming/DIY scene is your long-term repeat customer. But instead Micron killed Crucial. Darn, I liked Crucial RAM.

    Remember: Anthrophic may die if AI isn't the future, or if the VC subsidies end. But Asus most likely won't become Compaq or Gateway.

    Ah here is a post I remembered from an earlier thread of mine as I was looking through it, which seems to be a good summation, I remembered the post, generally that openvz is out, but not the details: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4410477/#Comment_4410477

    I was never a huge OpenVZ fan, especially for an unmanaged VPS. I do however use Incus in my homelab.

  • @user3028938 said:

    @TimboJones said:

    @raindog308 said:

    @Levi said: Wtf. Where do you live? Go to LIR section of the forum and look at the prices. IPv4 is priced like gold.

    Yet you can buy a VPS for less than $7/year that comes with IPv4.

    It's priced like cat food.

    My friends recently bitched about the cost of cat food. I'll tell them it's doable for $7/year. Thanks!

    My mother too, she told that they charge the same but reduced the serving size per can.

    A lot of my friend's cats are too fat and will continue to eat anything put in front of them. Maybe this will be correct portion control.

  • I'm also guessing he's losing money on these, whether he knows it yet or not.

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited December 2025

    @rcy026 said:

    @user3028938 said:

    @czed said:

    @user3028938 said:

    @Levi said:
    LXC > OpenVZ. Plus, OpenVZ was just a push towards Virtuozzo (ala "Proper virtualization").

    Something created for "profitability maximization" idea is never good for users...

    As an open-source advocate myself it certainly does seem better from that perspective.

    Btw what is the problem with ipv6 again? Is it just lack of current adoption over the wider internet - so compatibility issues rather than inherent problems with ipv6? I believe that was what it was from what I recall when researching last time and why I was going to go with ipv4 if wanting to host a forum on the server sometime in the future.

    IPv6 is fine, the demand just isn't there. Upgrading to IPv6 supported infrastructure is expensive, and for what? We may of "ran out" of IPv4's a decade ago, but they're still cheap and readily available.

    Yea I think the problem I came across when researching setting up a forum was IPv6 would be a lot more trouble when coming to make ssl certificates if I recall correctly, perhaps something related to ports?

    That sounds strange, setting up ssl certificates relies on domain name, not ip, so it should make no difference if it's ip4 or ipv6.
    The ports are the same on ipv6 as on ip4.

    Potentially easier. You can have conflicts if trying to run multiple webservers on IPV4 port 443, but with /64 IPv6 to run port 443, they can have as many webservers as practical.

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