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Samsung halting SATA SSD production
We don't really need any more bad news at this point. First Micron shutting down RAM not Samsung going for their SATA division. No more cheap SATA SSDs.
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SATA Utilisation
- Do you actually use SATA SSDs?126 votes
- No, I'm either a HDD or NVME person.43.65%
- Yes, I use a SATA somewhere probably.56.35%
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Because its slow. NVMe business is actually the better focus.
Sure but SATA SSDs are still a huge business. They are great for large capacity
Samsung isn't the only option and micron wasn't either.
AI is eating up the consumer market. In my old laptop I have an 512 GB Samsung SATA-III SSD I ordered it for very low price two yrs ago and currently price is 2x than I ordered.
In my current desktop I have a 64 GB Kingston SATA-something SSD I ordered for 15€ years ago.
Having less options never was a good thing
Quite a strange decision overall, but I guess "AI Profits!!!!", like sure, NVMes are faster, but most desktop PCs (and quite a few server motherboards too..) have just 1-2 NVMe M.2 Slots, many have 4-6 SATA slots still offering great expansion possibilities.. while still having great I/O speeds (~500 MB/s is still quite decent for 99% of use cases).
Mullvad over here with diskless
fuck outta here they say!!
Quite sad, this will make sata ssd way worse in future value-wise, so probably nobody would want to make them anymore compared to nvme...
And since no other option in ssd, nvme price will eventually go up.
As with Micron's decision to kill off Crucial, it doesn't matter how much consumers buy because they're looking for the lowest price. AI datacenters will always fetch higher prices. So, they can make more profit from AI datacenters than the consumer market ever could.
It's old technology and natural to replace outdated manufacturing lines. It's stupid to use sata for large drives.
Depends on what you use it for. I have an 8TB Samsung SATA SSD for my games (Steam/GOG / et al) drive. Noticeably faster than spinning rust, but cheaper than an 8TB NVMe drive and doesn't eat into one of my few fast NVMe slots - meaning I can use those slots for stuff that needs actual speed, cache disks for editing, DBs, etc.
Before anyone says the obvious: yes, I actually do use those 8TB (well, 6tb, I like having a buffer) for games I actually play on a regular-enough basis. Used to have a datacap where storing games was cheaper than downloading them repeatedly when you want to play. The joys of "first-world" internet.
For older computers, SATA is still relevant. You can't connect NVMe to them if you want to. Manufacturers are crashing the market to raise prices. Memory prices have already increased fivefold. The same goes for storage devices.
Yeah I use it similarly. I have my more intensive games that I actually play more often on my NVME, then anything else goes to the SATA.
I highly doubt AI companies rely on SATA SSDs.
As for old machines - you can still use PCIe -> NVMe cards, just you don't get as much of the speed benefit as you would on latest-gen NVMe.
To combine NVMe disks with SATA via an adapter, you need additional power. They do not work directly through the adapter. There are M2 SATA disks that work through an adapter but require power like a regular SATA disk. So it's quite a challenge.
By the way, some tech bloggers have conducted tests with games from a regular SATA drive and from an NVMe drive, and they all say that there is absolutely no difference in speed or performance. M2 just much easier to connect. The only advantage is that there are no wires.
how is the life span on that?
Honestly, I see very little reason to keep SATA around these days.
Large SATA drives are slow and wear out faster compared to modern options. We’re talking about a two-decade-old protocol at this point, and in today’s production environments it’s basically pointless.
Even for home use, NVMe outperforms SATA by a mile, latency, throughput, IOPS, everything.
And when people say “large capacity”… well, for me large starts at 10 TB and up. At that point, SATA SSDs become insanely expensive, and spinning rust (HDDs) simply makes more sense economically.
So SATA kind of failed on both fronts:
No wonder it’s getting phased out.
Even if the whole AI boom never happened, SATA would’ve died on its own sooner rather than later, and I would put my bet on sooner.
I have Intel 60 Gb SSD drive 14 yo still working fine. Bought for $125 these times.
And I have a Corsair GT 90 GB that cost me an arm and a leg ~15 years ago.
But have you actually looked at the failure rates of anything post-2020?
Even when the OS drives are mirrored, I regularly see 5–7% wear in just 12–24 months. That alone tells you something is seriously wrong. The NAND quality has gone downhill fast.
Once vendors started cutting corners with TLC, QLC, SHIT-LC, quality went straight to hell and prices still went up. Amazing combo.
I’ve seen so many “enterprise-grade” SATA SSDs fail in recent years that I honestly lost count. Meanwhile, 1st-gen SSDs from Intel, Corsair, OCZ, etc. are still happily running after 10–15 years.
So yeah:
Old SSDs: slow, expensive back then, but built like tanks
New SSDs: faster on paper, but wear out stupidly fast
Combine that with everything I wrote earlier about SATA, I really see no reason to drag the agony further.
Many “ENTP/Enterprise SATA” drives today are:
Real enterprise endurance moved to:
SATA got the leftovers.
You can say that again! I have a 960GB SanDisk from 2014 that started life as an OS drive that's still kicking. It's been at 92% life remaining for a year or so but it is still kicking and will probably survive a few more chassis rebuilds.
I also have a surprisingly-solid USB stick that's been washed (as in in the washing machine) at least twice and still stores good data.
In the past, hardware was simpler but more reliable, and it either didn't work right away or works smoothly to this day. Graphics cards from 2012-2016 are still relevant and perform well.
At least with modern graphics cards, you can use them as a blunt-force weapon in a pinch.
And as a heater in cold weather. You can save money on both.
I have an 80 GB Intel 320 SSD (MLC) from 2012 (13 years old). It's endurance rating is 10 TBW and it's currently at 74 TBW. It was my OS drive for many years. I keep it for extra/temp storage now.
I also have a 120 GB Crucial BX500 (QLC) from 2021 (4 years old). It's endurance rating is 40 TBW and it's currently at 9 TBW. Also just using for extra/temp storage now.
My OS drive now is a 256 GB Fanxiang s500pro NVMe (TLC) I got several months ago. It's endurance rating is 200 TBW with only 1 TBW on it currently.
I'm impressed with the Intel, that it's still going so far past it's endurance rating.
I'm using the NVMe with my old i7 2600k. I replaced the motherboard, and the new motherboard for that old cpu came with an NVMe slot.
Interesting how much more mm can the processor core be reduced? What will happen when it is reduced to the minimum?
Use an NVMe slot and be faster, duh.
If you don't have a PCIe x4 slot, you're on old hardware and you're poor. That shit is like 10+ years old.
Fuck, you really like to make shit up, eh?