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Can I safely ignore the UCEPROTECT blocklist?
I recently bought a VPS, but it seems that the upstream provider has been blocked at the entire ASN level by UCEPROTECT. The IPv4 I received is showing as blacklisted on MXToolbox, while the rest are fine.
I am planning to host a mail server for our business, but I’m not sure how this will affect our deliverability. After digging into it, it seems that UCEPROTECT is essentially a scam. Do most big providers consider their blacklists? I need genuine suggestions. Thanks!
Mod edit (angstrom): removed "scam" link
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from my point of view you can use a smarthost for a clean deliverability, someone like mxroute for example, you only need to adjust SPF record and you are done. Or you may use it only for some domain, if you prefer some more control...
Give it a try, I think it will send fairly good to gmail but my guess is outlook will block it.
Please try a little harder in your research (or "digging into it")
I've removed the link because that page is misinformed and essentially serves a doxxing purpose
Just found it on Reddit, I wasn’t aware of it
UCE level 1 is very good blacklist. Very high accuracy, massive help against spam. L2 and L3 should be used with caution. Overall, UCE is one of the good ones. Spamhaus and uce helps a lot!
Yeah. Listing on L3 should only be a problem if you're sending mail to a server run by a complete moron.
I remember encountering this years ago.
The IP addresses of Bahnhof, a Swedish ISP and server hosting provider, are almost always listed there.
This even applies to Bahnhof.se's MX IP addresses.
You can just write to them and ask.
Getting listed on UCEPROTECTL3 should not be an issue.
For Outlook-related issues, use the Microsoft Remote Connectivity Analyzer for Outbound SMTP Email. It includes RBL checks, although the list may not be comprehensive.
They check your IP against the UCEPROTECT Level 1 Block List.
Their L1 page says "every member of the UCEPROTECT-Orga can list any IP address manually ... if the IP was involved in ... libelous actions against the UCEPROTECT-Network." In reality this means if you complain too much they will call you a spammer and block you from sending emails, meaning it's a self-confessed protection racket.
UCEPROTECT is trash, use any other rbl except that one because they make you pay (or wait 7 days) in order to be delisted and they can also list an entire block just because 1 ip,, it's the only rbl that makes things really the wrong way, unlike abusix, spamhaus and others that may be flawed but keep improving these days. UCEPROTECT has always been trash, others rbl are actually good.
No they LET you pay if you're impatient, and it doesn't prevent you from being relisted if you send more spam. Plenty of blacklists have a countdown timer to automatic removal, and no one ever says that's unfair. They say this is unfair because they're retarded and regurgitate this stupid bullshit they heard through the grapevine instead of actually reading the fucking website.
Here's an education: https://blog.mxroute.com/dispelling-misconceptions-understanding-uceprotect-and-realtime-blacklists/
yeah i actually said that you can either pay (which is wrong to demand payment to "voluntarily delist") or wait 7 days: https://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=7&s=6 as the website says. But they just block the whole range and it's actually annoying, if you do not own the whole host portion, you can get listed because someone elses sent spam with one ip in that host portion.
I never had any really super bad issues with spamhaus or abusix, unlike these bastards. I actually had issues with spamcop too, like a year ago when they just blocked a bunch of microsoft ips because microsoft fucked it up, other than that, so far so good.
Edit: A clarification just in case, UCEPROTECT is trash and no one should be using it, everybody hates spam but that rbl doesn't handle it right, there are better solutions available.
Yap whatever you want, the list works perfectly for end-user.
They only block whole ranges as an escalation due to spam events that arguably justify it, and for virtually no reason on the L3 list. The biggest annoyance with the L3 list are these blacklist checkers that test against it, they know what they're doing and they know it's not right.
I take it that you've never been falsely blacklisted.
I think he has, considering he runs an email provider.
No. I've been appropriately blacklisted. Have you ever been falsely blacklisted on the L1 list? If yes, can you tell me a brief overview of how you determined that it was a false listing?
If you're interested, I'll tell you where I'm going with this in advance:
If yes, I'm going to critique your method of proving it. I will agree if your logic is sound, disagree if it is not.
If no, you are going to tell me you were listed on L2 or L3, more likely L3. If you tell me that, I'll know you are not educated on this topic. Because no one rejects email for L2 or L3 so they literally do not matter and you were tricked by a "blacklist checker" into thinking it matters (likely to gain your trust in said "checker" in hopes of driving you toward a service they sell).