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Dude, you don't broadcast shit like that. I suppose you also inform companies when they have pricing errors in your favour?
That's also true.
Some of the popular plans go out of stock quickly, though. I've also seen stock added now and then later in the year, when I was watching for it.
Currently on the $10/3 year deal from last year.
They've said that they've got a (presumably temporary) problem with slow IMAP. I find that opening large mailboxes is slow AND search is slow.
That's not so good, especially if like me your in the habit of almost never deleting email (Google deletes spam after 30 days I think)
Slow search is a big problem with standard IMAP configs. We tried using xapian but it doubled storage usage across the board. There doesn't seem to be any affordable way to do it well at scale, at least that I've found to date.
A lot of people don't really get why lower priced mail providers ultimately struggle to provide the same things as the larger providers (at least at scale, anyone can do anything at any price with 500 customers). The uncomfortable truth is that this is why the larger providers charge so much. To stay low priced, you have to draw lines or reinvent the wheel.
I think they are people whose job is to send spam, but they don't want their spam to be spam because if their spam is spam they get punished. Email marketers and the like.
I'm old.
I went back to the good old POP3.
Betterbird - local search - fast, simple, no problems.
Backups & restorations - simple, no problem.
Life is good.
IMAP (and the "cloud") has its charms, but I leave it on the phone only - to keep up with the last few weeks of emails (until the POP3 machine deletes them from the server).
Google is an evil corporation.
Jarland (and Francisco) are the good guys, and that's where my money should go.
Regarding MXroute support which was discussed (haven't used CraneMail so can't comment on that):
Since 2018, I am not sure if there was once a problem related to the service (and not a mistake on my config or similar). Still, I got responses reasonably quickly. Maybe this will help anyone else get better responses from any provider (great article, kudos!):
https://docs.mxroute.com/docs/general/support-tickets.html
Relja
I have been using MX Route for about 6 years, I always added the accounts to my free gmail accounts and used inside gmail. No issues, I found the initial setup for each domain a bit tedious. I actually followed @bikegremlin YouTube guide
I started using NameCrane a year ago, I purchased both US and EU hosting. I prefer the NameCrane set-up and usage. Plus they have free addons, I used my free EmClient email software licence.
All of my new sites are now on NameCrane, I am waiting for the BF deals to purchase another plan.
Both are good options, but my preference at the moment is NameCrane.
Namecrane might have the advantage of doing domain registration in the future, so could potentially just do the DNS side automatically if you move the domain to them.
I see a big pro in MXRoute being that they do only email and nothing else
This has improved for MXRoute (domain verification and configuration is now possible from directadmin). Also their documentation is very good:
https://docs.mxroute.com/docs/quick-setup.html
With both MXRoute and CraneMail, how easy/difficult is it, assuming you have multiple mailboxes and multiple domains, to later export all your mailboxes to another provider?
If you are using somethimg like IMAPsync, is the same for both.
i am old too... but i have always only used pop3 and smtp, not all the other crap, and certainly not just webmail services.
I use both. But two years ago, the account in lucy server of mxroute gave me so much pain. I think jar will not forget lucy in his lifetime.
Iam using crane email too and I like it a bit more than mxroute (my personal opinion).
My clients are using GoDaddy email and I think it's good. I haven't tried it yet.
I might have to take another look and use as an alternative, thanks.
I take back my positive comments about MXRoute. When you get kicked out of a company's support Discord for pointing out a questionable approach to spam tagging¹ (as per my original comment of "A better understanding of Spamassassin rules would be nice"), you know that the provider isn't providing any of his customers with decent support.
Apparently no one else can know what it is like supporting thousands of customers (actually, been there, done that, with a very similar service), and @jar would like us all to know that he "isn't retarded". Yep, he actually typed that.
When temper trumps stubbornness you should probably rate-limit yourself to at least take a moment before dealing with comments calmly instead of instantly kicking the paying customer out of Discord.
¹Scoring 25 on a single custom rule, not scoring strong ham indicators like RCVD_IN_MSPIKE* strongly negative to mitigate this, tagging RDNS_NONE on every single email for over a week, and more...
Every single email provider has rules for rejecting email outright based on one signal, and none of them can be found to never reject an email that wasn't spam. That's the baseline. Then you proceeded to tell me in our open support channel that you need to find a new mail host if mailspike whitelisting wasn't used as an override for single signal rejection criteria, but you called me stubborn? Your information is years outdated, and you have no clue what you're talking about. Mailspike can't keep up in 2025. DKIM signatures are worthless for reduction of spam scores when most of the spam comes from Gmail. I have the logs, I have the data, I will not be talked down to in my own support channel by someone who is at minimum 4 years behind me on current information.
I don't have to put up with that in my support channel. You are not terminated from service. You are banned from trying to spread outdated and bad information in an attempt to paint me and my service in a negative light in the space that I have designated for customers to speak to me and each other. It is not an appropriate space for that, period.
im not sure, but i registered cranemail for 24 hours now and its still pending, also no one reply to my ticket, can you help
Edit: I think i should ping @Francisco instead 😅
Just so we're clear here... you think that Spamassassin tagging emails is the same as rejecting email?
Which is what meta rules are for. You don't 0.0 a rule just because it doesn't work for one source.
Just so we're clear here... you think it's some kind of sin to use SpamAssassin to reject emails for single signals? That this behavior, which every email service engages in, should only be executed at different layers? It can do more than one job.
It's not a useful signal from ANY source in 2025. A positive DKIM check provides literally zero value in 2025. Only a DKIM failure provides anything useful, and even that provides statistically low value these days, just marginally more value than a positive check. Spammers have zero problem with DKIM and SPF in 2025. You can't keep rolling forward like it's 2011 when customers are breathing down your neck about spam in 2025.
Well, the mta does the rejecting, what with it being the mta, not Spamsassassin directly, unless you've custom coded something clever (no, miltering isn't classed as clever). So, "a sin", no, but scoring 25 on a single custom written rule? That seems overconfident, but what would I know?
After all "Beat The Rush: Early Deals Have Arrived" has to be spam, right?
If it is useless, why score USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL (which works as expected) at -7.5?
The MailSpike rules I referred to, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE* aren't simply DKIM or SPF (but may include both as well as DMARC in building a reputation score?), so I'm not sure why you've gone off on the DKIM / SPF tangential argument? Does any Gmail email actually trigger any MSPIKE rules? A quick test suggests not.
A few years ago I had more false positives than I liked, and I went back and forth a bit with jar, who's in a difficult spot when it comes to spam with so many users. After discussion I realized I'd be better served moving one of my (little to no spam-receiving) domains to a local email server while keeping MXRoute as incoming for a more spam-heavy domain, and outgoing for all. And it's worked great for me.
As for the domain on MXRoute, false positives are down a lot in the last year or so, and false negatives are too. He's done an excellent job threading the needle.
I saw this thread and looked into moving myself and my employer's emails over to CraneMail. Seems to be a pretty good offering.
Only downside so far is that he queried the order taking a while to be provisioned (which is fair, he missed the bit in the email where it said they were manually provisioned during certain hours) and got a fairly blunt response that was "we told you this, don't open tickets, if you can't wait, cancel and refund" response from Karen in support.
I'll see how it goes, I'm not quick to judge, they could just be busy but I'd at least expect friendly service. I'll wait and see how the rest of the provisioning process goes before moving my own emails over and worst case, go with MXRoute for them.
Yeah, I ran my own service for years, so I know the issues you can face, both with tackling spam and pleasing the users. On the whole MXRoute as a service is fine and spam detection on the whole does the job. It's just the spikiness of the occasional rule, like scoring 25 on GENSPAMSUBJ, and the general, and the spikiness of the owner that causes me concerns.
Edit: and as I've said before, you get far more than you pay for.
Facing issues with Cranemail in my woocommerce store. It was delivering perfectly to my gmail before. But now a days, the emails from woocommerce (iam using fluentsmtp plugin) are not getting delivered into Gmail. Most clients are using gmail and those emails are bounced back with error 550 5.0.0
No blacklist found in mxtoolbox. While sending from us1.workspace webmail, it delivers without issue. Test mails too are working from Fluentsmtp plugin. Mostly mails from woocommerce are blocked. Fluentsmtp 'thinks' it as successfully delivered. But in real, they are not.
Anyone facing the same issue?
EDIT: I think I have to change the fluent SMTP plugin. Let me try with some other plugin.
So I've run into a 550 error this week too, turns out it was an account lock for alleged "email warming". It's worth contacting support as they can clarify.
The 550 message will state what the block is. If it says locked then you need to talk to us. If it mentions “user rule” then you’re triggering one of our filters and should contact support.
Past that you’ll get passed through messages from the remote server that should help.
Francisco
For their backend, website and general scripts, what tech stack are these two services based on? Linux or FreeBSD?