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IPv6 Hall of Shame
I noticed that free IPv6 is often requested. Made me think about how much does it actually cost for the poeple who do not need IPv6. I asked AI to get a rough estimate and this is what I got: "The average increase in price for a VPS due to the provision of free IPv6 can typically range from about 10% to 20%, depending on the specific costs attributed to infrastructure, maintenance, and configuration." Perhaps @PulsedMedia can be of use to give some specific numbers.
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We noticed that dedicated IPv4 is often requested. Made us think about how much does it actually cost for the people who do not need IPv4. I asked AI to get a rough estimate and this is what I got: "The average increase in price for a VPS due to the provision of dedicated IPv4 can typically range from about 30% to 50%, depending on the specific costs attributed to infrastructure, maintenance, and configuration." Perhaps @mxmla can be of use to give some specific numbers.
Did you notice that you often get discounts for IPv6 only VPS and not so for IPv4 only? For example hetzner gives 50 cents discount for IPv6 only VPS.
I noticed that free gay porn is often requested. Made me think about how much does it actually cost for the people who do not need gay porn. I asked AI to get a rough estimate and this is what I got: “The average increase in price for a VPS due to the provision of free gay porn can typically range from about 10% to 20%, depending on the specific costs attributed to infrastructure, maintenance, and configuration.”
Perhaps @Rubben can be of use to give some specific numbers.
@oloke r femboy and @emgh atch might also be of some help
Are you saying your are bi or not bi? You are free to store any porn on your VPS just make sure the provider does not snoop on your data. Also ask for discount depending on if you are IPv4 only or IPv6 only.
@yoursunny you so mean ! no 7$ for you this Halloween !
There are people who have kink for IPv6less networking. Perhaps @beanman109 can give you more details about that.
Ipv6 cost almost nothing. Just a bit more complicated and sometimes confusing with numbering
RIPE gives you /29 ipv6 with your LIR account. And since you probably hold ipv4 Space anyway as a Provider you have basically no Cost
Otherwise from Hardware.....
Even my old Cisco 6509 from 2003 (or earlier) could do and Routed ipv6 until i swapped it Out for a Juniper MX960 Premium3 later on could do ipv6 Just fine.
Just Sometimes its just big fuck up with virtualizor and how it handles V6.
(Dont know About Other panels, im gonna replace that anyway with virtfusion next year)
I mentioned @PulsedMedia because I remember he talked about it and if I remember it correctly they didn't implement IPv6 because not many of their users require it, so it would increase the prices for everyone. The cost will generally not be the same for every provider.
Asking AI for an estimate........
can we get this moved to the dumb post hall of shame
I'm not planning to start a VPS company or anything similar. So it's okish for a first rough guess. I think IPv6 is a bit more complicated than changing the link on a website. If you didn't notice some people are waiting for days for @SeFlow to change the link on the website.
As far as I know IPv6 transition costs outweigh the benefits for most companies. That's one of the main reasons I don't use it anywhere in production except in few special cases, even if it's offered for free everywhere it's more work for practically no benefits.
"I asked AI" why do so many people think they don't appear embarrassingly goofy when they attach this to their statements? Very pro AI, but I just can't help but think that. I see it on social media all the time.
The answer to your concern isn't specific to hosting, but the wider IT world. Customers hardly want IPv6, providers hardly want to manage it. I think the consensus has settled on "I don't know it, care to learn, or find it particularly useful and it might be an attack surface if I have it enabled with what I presume is sane configuration"
You're not wrong, but there are lots of variables. Like there's probably not enough customers demanding v6 for it to be worth any actual expense to a host who's so far completely ignored it's existence, but what expense is there really if you're a host coming up now?
I noticed that $7/yr deal is often requested. Made me think about how much does it actually cost for the poeple who do not need $7/yr deals. I asked AI to get a rough estimate and this is what I got: "The average increase in price for a VPS due to the provision at $7/yr can typically range from about 0-100% monopoly moolah, depending on the specific Deadpool ambitious and stupidity of the community, host and all those in the middle involved."
Perhaps @DediRock can be of use to give some specific numbers about how much $$$ he’s made this quarter on LET.
my LET password is an IPV6. The first IPV6 that I had....
ipv6 an additional attack surface? How so??? Only if you have disabled ipv4, then ipv6 will be your sole attack surface but one that will be very hard to exploit.
If you have ipv4 enabled only a totally insane mind would try to attack you using ipv6.
Time is money.
The headache configuring IPv6 is time/money.
You should enable ipv6, ipv6 is widely recognized as an instant karma booster.
I'm not pro or against AI but I find it often useful for initial research knowing it might be wrong, but still. In this case I remembered the discussion PulsedMedia had so I knew there's costs involved that can increase the price. I'm not aware of any formal study on this specific topic, tho I didn't look for it much to be honest, so as far I am concerned it's as good as guess as any and it does not seem unrealistic at least to me.
Depends what kind of a host you are. For smaller hosts renting dedicated servers or just small software routers there's not much cost, but that's because the cost is already passed on from upstream.
What about if you're starting not so small and need hardware routers? From what I remember from PulsedMedia those can be very expensive and are bought to last for decade or two at least or even more.
Isn't this a bit silly. They will cut costs on support and you'll have to wait for it forever or they'll just cram more users on the same node or they will just deadpool.
No I was unclear I guess. If you're old and established you probably have hardware you're trying not to replace, but if you're a new guy anything you buy will have had support for years already.
For most use cases when you will need IPv4 and you decide to use dual stack IPv6 becomes additional attack surface. Good thing about IPv6 is that it has a lot of addresses, bad thing is, it has a lot of addresses. Another good thing is that it typically operates without NAT, bad thing is, it typically operates without NAT exposing individual devices directly to the internet.
I noticed that strict "fair use" CPU limits are often criticized. Made me think about how much we actually save because the majority of people order a VPS and end up idling it. I asked AI to estimate the price difference if everyone actually utilized their resources 100% of the time, and this is what I got: "The low cost of shared hosting relies on oversubscription; if providers had to guarantee active resources for every user without banking on idle time, the average price for a standard VPS would likely increase by 300% to 500%."
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Sure. But isn't it a lot more expensive to support both protocols. Also, you can look at NIST SP 800-119, a lot of things need to be done specific to IPv6 and that's additional time and cost. I'm not sure that as of today everything is as well supported on IPv6 as it is on IPv4.
You can realistically scan the whole ipv4 internet but you cannot scan the whole ipv6 internet, you can only realistically scan a very tiny subset.of ipv6.
Besides, why try to break into a house through the roof (ipv6) if the owner has left the windows open (ipv4)?
That's true but it is completely irrelevant because it does not mean those kind of attacks will go away on IPv6 just that tactics used for network reconnaissance have changed for IPv6. That's actually one of the things explained in NIST SP 800-119.
That's because IPv4 addresses cost money and IPv6 addresses don't. HTH
It's only more expensive if you're using ancient routers and you have to upgrade all your routers to make it work.