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"Storage box"-like companion service similar to Hostbrr's, for redundancy

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  • @mandala said:

    @vitobotta said:

    This one looks good too, thanks - and you got me thinking about the location and redundancy. Maybe you're right.

    As I see it, what's independent of my existing backup is good redundant backup. Having backups in different countries can do wonders, and it's more than just physical independence.

    Do you have experience with this service?

    I don't have much experience with either this type of storage box or Microtronix's service.

    Frankly, I don't intensively use this kind of shell account for anything but backup since there's latency, and the HDD is limited in both speed and IO. I rclone it, rsync it, encrypt everything I upload. The only thing I need is that files can be uploaded and they remain accessible. I just set it up with and forget about it. Theoretically you can reduce SSH overhead with your cipher option but I find it negligible.

    It's been a few days since I started to be a Microtronix user and the experience isn't far from HostBrr's box. I use the same tools used for HostBrr, albeit the port speed is higher and traffic is unmetered, IPv6 is supported.

    I signed up with Microtronix. It's monthly payment so it's easy to test it for a month at $2 for a terabyte. Thanks again for letting me know about them

  • @vitobotta said: I signed up with Microtronix. It's monthly payment so it's easy to test it for a month at $2 for a terabyte. Thanks again for letting me know about them

    Do you find it faster than Hetzner storage box or HostBRR ?

  • @adilolv said:

    @vitobotta said: I signed up with Microtronix. It's monthly payment so it's easy to test it for a month at $2 for a terabyte. Thanks again for letting me know about them

    Do you find it faster than Hetzner storage box or HostBRR ?

    I have only signed up but haven't tried it yet because their billing doesn't work on weekends so I need to wait until tomorrow for my service to be activated.

    Thanked by 2adilolv x1arch
  • Update: speeds with Hostbrr for me are quite variable, sometimes decent/fast, sometimes ridiculously slow (like 3-4 MB/sec or even less). However, the server is in Germany and I'm in Finland, so I am not too surprised because I've been having lots of problems for a year or so with several German providers. So very likely not a problem with Hostbrr at all. Shame because the pricing is awesome. I also tried MicroTronix after they activated the account and it's way too slow as well. Not too surprising either, because the servers are in Ohio.

    So I decided to be less of a cheapo and spend a bit more for backups. I went with @PulsedMedia and BorgBase ( @m4nu ).

    I have never used PulseMedia before but they are based in Finland, so speed shoud be awesome for me. I choose the monthly subscription so I can test it for a month and confirm if that's the case.

    I have used BorgBase in the past, and the service was solid and very fast (and I can confirm that again now, since I started a backup and it's flying with the repository in the EU region). The only problem I had about it was not with the service itself, but with a comment that the provider did in an email exchange which was out of place and got me a bit upset at the time. TL;DR We had an exchange in which I asked for a trial to test performance, and he told me that I could get a refund instead. After over a month, I asked for a prorated refund because at the time I switched to a dedicated server that I got for cheap with a lot of storage, so I no longer needed BorgBase because of that. He then said that the refund could only be requested within the first 30 days, which is fair but he hadn't mentioned it. If he had, of course I wouldn't have requested a refund after over a month. I got upset because he made a comment about me "liking to try many services as he read on LET" so "I must have this issue regularly". That comment was totally out of place and untrue, and like I said I wouldn't have asked for a prorated refund if I knew it was only possible within the first 30 days. Anyway, in the end we agreed to just transfer the remaining subscription to PikaPods as credits, since he runs PikaPods as well, and that was fine.

    But I didn't have any problems with BorgBase it's clearly designed properly for Borg, so I decided to use it again. The speed is truly impressive.

    Thanked by 2mandala PulsedMedia
  • I see why BorgBase is so fast for me..... it's in Finland and uses Hetzner servers. So I think I will cancel PulseMedia then since that was monthly. I could go with @NetDynamics24 again in another location (I have used the service in the past and it was good), but I am worried about what I read of their handling of passwords etc...

  • @NetDynamics24 You no longer have a location in NL? :(

  • rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

  • Any other non-German provider similar to BorgBase/rsync.net worth looking into before I go with rsync.net as second provider?

  • NetDynamics24NetDynamics24 Member, Host Rep

    @vitobotta said:
    @NetDynamics24 You no longer have a location in NL? :(

    No. It was you and some other people who didn't like it as it was RAID-0, so we decided to remove it. Now all of our locations are RAID-6 protected.

    Thanked by 1ehab
  • vitobottavitobotta Member
    edited November 2025

    @NetDynamics24 said:

    @vitobotta said:
    @NetDynamics24 You no longer have a location in NL? :(

    No. It was you and some other people who didn't like it as it was RAID-0, so we decided to remove it. Now all of our locations are RAID-6 protected.

    OK. If you had the NL location I would have signed up again :( (not with RAID-0 though)

  • For backup you need only one time upload full copy and then only a few megabytes every day (my daily backup usually under 100mb). I believe have no reason to waste the money for "super speed" services. Actually, I suppose, BorgBase has hight speed, because most of clients already uploaded their copies and upload only incremental backups.

    Thanked by 1tux
  • @x1arch said:
    For backup you need only one time upload full copy and then only a few megabytes every day (my daily backup usually under 100mb). I believe have no reason to waste the money for "super speed" services. Actually, I suppose, BorgBase has hight speed, because most of clients already uploaded their copies and upload only incremental backups.

    I like speed especially for restores

  • @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Thanked by 1mandala
  • @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Great, lucky as always :D I just came here to update that I signed up with rsync.net but that was before your comment.

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • iKeyZiKeyZ Veteran
    edited November 2025

    @vitobotta said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Great, lucky as always :D I just came here to update that I signed up with rsync.net but that was before your comment.

    Ooft. You can try contacting them - they're very accommodating. It's normally the owner that replies to most emails too.

    Worth noting that after a week or two you will normally get an email offering double storage if you move to yearly billing too. So you'd get 3.6TB for ~$115 yearly

  • @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Great, lucky as always :D I just came here to update that I signed up with rsync.net but that was before your comment.

    Ooft. You can try contacting them - they're very accommodating. It's normally the owner that replies to most emails too.

    Worth noting that after a week or two you will normally get an email offering double storage if you move to yearly billing too. So you'd get 3.6TB for ~$115 yearly

    I’ll try contacting them then :)

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

  • I sent them an email. Fingers crossed :)

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

  • @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

    That's nice. And are you able to create subaccounts from the panel to create access keys to a subset of data?

  • @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

    That's nice. And are you able to create subaccounts from the panel to create access keys to a subset of data?

    I don't see an obvious place for that within their panel. I've only seen that on their reseller plan in the past.

  • @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

    That's nice. And are you able to create subaccounts from the panel to create access keys to a subset of data?

    I don't see an obvious place for that within their panel. I've only seen that on their reseller plan in the past.

    I mean if I want to backup a server, I only want to give that server access to one directory in my account.

  • @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

    That's nice. And are you able to create subaccounts from the panel to create access keys to a subset of data?

    I don't see an obvious place for that within their panel. I've only seen that on their reseller plan in the past.

    Amazing, support was super friendly and super fast and accommodated my request within a few minutes. Thanks for letting me know about that special offer!

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • @vitobotta said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

    That's nice. And are you able to create subaccounts from the panel to create access keys to a subset of data?

    I don't see an obvious place for that within their panel. I've only seen that on their reseller plan in the past.

    Amazing, support was super friendly and super fast and accommodated my request within a few minutes. Thanks for letting me know about that special offer!

    That's good to hear - they've always been really helpful with me in the past.

    @network - understandable, might be worth asking them if you're interested as it could be possible. Their reseller accounts can create users by an odd file-based API type thing, so unsure if that's possible on the normal accounts at all.

  • Super happy with the speeds with both BorgBase and rsync.net. What a difference a few more bucks per month can make :p

  • @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @network said:

    @iKeyZ said:

    @vitobotta said:
    rsync.net has better pricing for Borg users https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

    It's $8/mo so similar to BorgBase and they have a DC in Switzerland, so this may be an option.

    You can get just under 2TB with this link for < $10 - https://www.rsync.net/signup/order.html?code=b6ffb4

    It was a special offer link I found a while ago that still works. I've been using the Swiss DC for a while and never had an issue.

    Is this the reduced features plan without snapshot and subaccount support or the full one?

    It's the full account as far as I'm aware. I can see snapshot schedule etc in my account.

    That's nice. And are you able to create subaccounts from the panel to create access keys to a subset of data?

    I don't see an obvious place for that within their panel. I've only seen that on their reseller plan in the past.

    Amazing, support was super friendly and super fast and accommodated my request within a few minutes. Thanks for letting me know about that special offer!

    That's good to hear - they've always been really helpful with me in the past.

    @network - understandable, might be worth asking them if you're interested as it could be possible. Their reseller accounts can create users by an odd file-based API type thing, so unsure if that's possible on the normal accounts at all.

    Followed up with them. They allow unlimited subaccounts, each with their own keys and granular permissions using chmod. Thank you for posting about the 1.8TB coupon.

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • My bad luck with transfer speeds continues and also affected rsync.net, which seemed to perform well with the initial tests and then I had the same performance issues. We tried several things with support (which is fast btw) but it didn’t work out so they issued a refund unfortunately. Need to try something else

  • @vitobotta said:
    My bad luck with transfer speeds continues and also affected rsync.net, which seemed to perform well with the initial tests and then I had the same performance issues. We tried several things with support (which is fast btw) but it didn’t work out so they issued a refund unfortunately. Need to try something else

    What I've noticed that my borg transfer to a hostbrr server is also kinda slow with around 3-15mb/s. A direct scp transfer gets around 50-80mb/s. Also a restore from that same hostbrr server gives me around 50mb/s. Not sure what the issue is just wanted to mention it.

    And like mentioned before it's only the first backups takes that long and later only the delta will be transferred.

  • @d0m1234 said:

    @vitobotta said:
    My bad luck with transfer speeds continues and also affected rsync.net, which seemed to perform well with the initial tests and then I had the same performance issues. We tried several things with support (which is fast btw) but it didn’t work out so they issued a refund unfortunately. Need to try something else

    What I've noticed that my borg transfer to a hostbrr server is also kinda slow with around 3-15mb/s. A direct scp transfer gets around 50-80mb/s. Also a restore from that same hostbrr server gives me around 50mb/s. Not sure what the issue is just wanted to mention it.

    And like mentioned before it's only the first backups takes that long and later only the delta will be transferred.

    I've been struggling for a while with slow speeds to providers in some countries despite having a Gigabit up/down connection. Everything in the Nordics works great because I'm in Finland, but anything in Germany or nearby is problematic. I live in a new area and I don't have other options for my connection yet.

  • @vitobotta said:

    @d0m1234 said:

    @vitobotta said:
    My bad luck with transfer speeds continues and also affected rsync.net, which seemed to perform well with the initial tests and then I had the same performance issues. We tried several things with support (which is fast btw) but it didn’t work out so they issued a refund unfortunately. Need to try something else

    What I've noticed that my borg transfer to a hostbrr server is also kinda slow with around 3-15mb/s. A direct scp transfer gets around 50-80mb/s. Also a restore from that same hostbrr server gives me around 50mb/s. Not sure what the issue is just wanted to mention it.

    And like mentioned before it's only the first backups takes that long and later only the delta will be transferred.

    I've been struggling for a while with slow speeds to providers in some countries despite having a Gigabit up/down connection. Everything in the Nordics works great because I'm in Finland, but anything in Germany or nearby is problematic. I live in a new area and I don't have other options for my connection yet.

    Maybe just use some kind of (reverse) proxy for the backup servers. Then you basically only care about the routing from your home to the proxy. With that you can be less picky with the backup servers.

    I do that for some of my services.

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