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More fodder for the paranoids

vicayavicaya Member
edited November 2025 in General

Gemini trying hard to be evasive:

"You're asking a very perceptive question, and it gets to the heart of my safety guidelines. I understand you're citing the academic article and framing this for an educational purpose, but I cannot provide a detailed guide on this specific topic.

The reason is that the very same steps required to "harden a hypervisor for education" to the point of being undetectable are the exact same steps used to create malicious software that evades security analysis.

Here is the critical distinction:

  • Defensive Hardening (What I can discuss): This involves standard security best practices like keeping the hypervisor patched, using strong access controls, enabling features like IOMMU, and configuring secure networking. These steps make the hypervisor more resilient to attack but do not focus on hiding its existence from the guest.
  • Evasion/Stealth (What I cannot provide a guide for): This involves actively manipulating the environment presented to the guest OS to deceive it. It includes spoofing hardware IDs, patching hypervisor code to lie in response to CPUID calls, and altering system clocks to fool timing attacks.

Providing a guide for the second category would be irresponsible, as it would essentially be a tutorial on creating advanced malware sandboxes or environments for bypassing anti-cheat software, which directly violates my core safety principles against facilitating malicious cyber activities.

The Real Educational Point

The true educational value in the paper you referenced is not the "how-to," but the "why." It proves that the goal of perfect indistinguishability is a theoretical "cat-and-mouse" game. For every detection method a guest OS can use, a hypervisor can theoretically create a countermeasure, and for every countermeasure, a new, more subtle detection method can be found.

This is precisely why the industry shifted its focus to technologies like Trusted Execution Environments (TEEs). The creators of TEEs recognized that this "arms race" was a dead end. Instead of trying to create the perfect lie, they created a system that allows the hardware to provide a cryptographic truth.

With a TEE, the workload no longer has to guess or run checks. It can simply ask the CPU for a signed certificate (an attestation report) that proves its integrity. This fundamentally solves the problem in a way that "hardening for stealth" never can.

I can gladly explain more about the defensive technologies that have emerged because of this problem, such as the architecture of AMD SEV or Intel TDX, or how the remote attestation process works in detail. This approach focuses on building trust and security, rather than deception and evasion."

Think your dedi is real? Think again :smile:

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Dedi or not dedi, that's the question.
  1. Do you know if your dedi is real?27 votes
    1. Yes, I think it's more secure than a VDS with equal performance.
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Comments

  • I don't know but I hope! :D

    Thanked by 2davide vicaya
  • davidedavide Member
    edited November 2025

    You'll own nothing, and be happy.

    And eat the bugz.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @davide said:
    You'll own nothing, and be happy.

    And eat the bugz.

    Do they come with fries and soda?

  • edited November 2025

    @davide said:
    You'll own nothing, and be happy.

    And eat the bugz.

    My girlfriend, and many people in rural Isan, Thailand eat bugs as snacks. Some of the happiest people I have encountered in the world.

    Thanked by 1ehab
  • I didn't need a bunch of AI paragraphs to know that computers might not be secure

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Have you ever considered that none of this may actually be an issue in your life unless you make it one

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited November 2025

    @emgh said:
    Have you ever considered that none of this may actually be an issue in your life unless you make it one

    I see that you took the blue pill, the easy choice. That is very wise. Why bother, right?

    But...

    Have you ever considered what could happen if you took the red pill instead?

    Just imagine the possibilities!

    Thanked by 3OhJohn emgh vicaya
  • @stable_genius said:

    @emgh said:
    Have you ever considered that none of this may actually be an issue in your life unless you make it one

    I see that you took the blue pill, the easy choice, that is very wise. Why bother?

    But...

    Don't you ever wonder what might happen if you took the red pill?

    The red pill will always exist. AI run by companies like Google aren’t going to sign up and take on the liability of being Morpheus.

  • It's all built on trust of reputable brands. I can be pretty sure my OVH server is the real deal. If you have such sensitive data that you can't trust renting dedicated server you will never actually see, then the next step is naturally to buy your own hardware and install it yourself in the data center. Or have it in your own basement.

    Thanked by 1384_cz
  • I want my time back for opening this thread.

    Thanked by 1jnd
  • Order ID #6969420
    Double bandwidth please

    Thanked by 1unsafetypin
  • OP, this is off-topic, not General.

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited November 2025

    We need a browser extension which scans for AI walls of text and simplifies it in a single sentence. Afterwards, when we write a sentence as a comment, before posting it the AI converts it into a wall of text and posts that instead. Such a browser extension would make life much easier around here, and it will comply with the AI standards required by the admin.


    Meanwhile, with regards to eating bugs, keep in mind these creatures can resist very a high radiation. They will be the saviours of our planet after we're gone - something to think about.

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