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So, what other providers are impacted by this? Seems all of iHosrArt is offline. Does @Calin still have an account here? From his Discord he's calling Neoprotect "scammers" for not instantly refunding him and he's opened PayPal disputes.
I've not seen any complaints about others who used datapacket, did they really boot everyone using them for prefiltering? @SilverCreek ? There is another one here too, but I can't recall right now. Is Datapacket communicating this to you as well or is the focus only on neoprotect?
This is so MJJ behaviour
my im disappointed
Oh no not legal actions from Calin
Anyway so yeah
It's very offline...
Even though he puts all nodes on his HetrixTools instance as "maintenance" so overall uptime is still 99.7049% 😇🥰
And tbh I doubt he'll do anything against neoprotect other than just telling nonsense about this situation.
TLDR: NeoProtect gonna sue datapacket and a bunch of companies gonna sue NeoProtect? pure spice.
Fake news big legal team forming up
Do you remember that server lifting video with the proffesional men helping him load up the servers to the cars? Those are the lawyers
Sounds like i need to make some popcorn for this one. Now i need double, for Path and Neo/DataPacket
I mean, it's not their (Neoprotect's) fault all of this happened. Doesn't seem like they did anything "wrong" or violated any terms as far as I know. Could be wrong though.
Shit situation. Guess everyone in the industry should think about what options exist if tomorrow your data center or a network upstream said, "We don't want you anymore".
I guess that depends on their terms. Didn’t read them. Also they can have induvidual other terms with other clients that we don’t have access to.
They didn’t do anything wrong leading to losing this upstream but if they promised their clients this wouldn’t occur and it did, they’d still breach their contractual obligations no matter who caused this.
Hmm, that's interesting thanks. The way they word the FAQ makes it seem like it's a benefit to customers but really it's so they can drop you any second no questions asked
This one?
version for emgay:
Any semi-well written contract would allow them to drop a client at any time for any reason... And for "real" clients that they actually negotiated contracts with, I'm sure there would be a provision for a scenario like this where a client was impacting other clients...
https://web.archive.org/web/20251008022043/https://bgp.tools/as/199414#downstreams
This is controversial topic, but personally I think they are responsible for not having "plan B" (second upstream) or for not building own scrubbing network (expensive, I know).
Regarding "terms violation", in their case it was just a business decision. I can't blame Datapacket there.
Wtf Safari blocks this as well and it’s mp4
Something else is going on here
Topless ihos tart lawyers
The scariest lawyers in all of Oradea
I second this, using(/abusing) cheap shit for profit always ends bad. Don't like how cdn77 didn't give them 1 to 3 months notice though.
I don't think notice was possible this time due to the volume of the attack that finally attracted Datapacket's attention.
However, it would be better for both parties if DP noticed smaller frequent attacks and did a few months notice as you suggested, but instead they decided to tolerate it until some too high threshold.
I've noticed since that my favorite game servers are now offline
Notice was possible, they could just have dropped BGP/Nullrouted to avoid affecting other customers and then send them a 1-3 month "search another provider" letter
Looks like iHostArt came back online about an hr ago.
As a provider of this size, you have various options, but simply disconnecting a customer is certainly the easiest one. Is that understandable? I doubt it. We also considered using CDN77/DP, but thankfully they don't offer 400G links, which is why we decided against them.
It is also interesting to note that other large CDN77/DP customers are now getting more and more carriers, this has been happening for several weeks. It seems as if CDN77/DP decided some time ago that it no longer wanted to play in the DDoS game, which I can understand from various points of view.
Datapacket is not cheap. their servers are many multiples more expensive than the dedicated servers being offered here. It isn't as expensive as buying transit directly, but it is by no means cheap.
Datapacket is also the owner of cdn77. It is believed that they are using the same network to sell excess capacity in the form of dedicated servers. CDNs are often the target of ddos attacks and a cdn that is not able to mitigate a ddos is not a good sign for any customers they have.
The fact that they are dropping a customer for getting attacked shows that every customer they have on their CDN plan is at risk. They also advertise ddos protection so it's not like someone trying to start a streaming service on cloudflare's free plan.
What you have to realize is that the average client getting attacked is slim-to-none. This is a single client that was receiving more than average DDoS attacks as they were reselling services to high-risk clients. This is going to put the client's 95th percentile much higher... I don't know what Neoprotect was paying Datapacket, but odds are they were pushing five+ figures of mitigation costs monthly because they were reselling.
I'd assume their filtering also wasn't doing a great job on the attack, compounding issues.
Holy crap, Calin crying over the refund
… Hilarious. Anyway, 22k bit in ass.
Not a fan of centralisation of cloudflare, but they're probably the only provider that could handle that magnitude of ddos, for free on top. Akamai, google, amazon probably could too but then gotta prepare substantial $$$. By 2030 cf probably will be the only viable chocked point protecting small mom and pop website selling handwoven socks against such magnitude of attack.
Can you DM me an insane Avoro coupon code I’d be forever grateful thank you have a grape day and regards
@dataforest the 90 % off must have gotten lost in transit would appreciate if you sent another one thanks