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Price to own ASN

LeviLevi Member

So, I would like to know costs associated with asn ownership. Let’s assume:

I plan to rent 256 IPv4 from XYZ IP provider. Now, how much is yearly expenditure to own ASN?

This is mystery to me, I would like to ELI5 this from people who have small asn.

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  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    Depends how good your bribes are @beanman109 @sh97 confirm it

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  • sh97sh97 Member, Host Rep

    If you go with RIPE, based on different providers, you can get an ASN for like $60-100/yr
    This is the cheapest way.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @sh97 said:
    If you go with RIPE, based on different providers, you can get an ASN for like $60-100/yr
    This is the cheapest way.

    And also don't your personal info
    Unless you register a shady shell shed company like bean in NewMexico

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  • @plumberg said:

    @sh97 said:
    If you go with RIPE, based on different providers, you can get an ASN for like $60-100/yr
    This is the cheapest way.

    And also don't your personal info
    Unless you register a shady shell shed company like bean in NewMexico

    Wait, so asn can be mounted on private person? And yes, ripe is my target.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @Levi said:

    @plumberg said:

    @sh97 said:
    If you go with RIPE, based on different providers, you can get an ASN for like $60-100/yr
    This is the cheapest way.

    And also don't your personal info
    Unless you register a shady shell shed company like bean in NewMexico

    Wait, so asn can be mounted on private person? And yes, ripe is my target.

    Yeah
    Definitely works for private people

    Many options here

  • Now ASN in RIPE cost 50€/y for LIR, so 50€+, /24 is around 100-250€/m.
    Yes, ASN can be for private person not company. For example check @yoursunny ASN - https://bgp.tools/as-set/as200690:as-yoursunny

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  • Heh, Junxiao.

    So in general asn costs 50€/year.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    If you're in the USA and have enough justification i'd apply to the ARIN waiting list ASAP. You'd be paying $250/year or so for a /24, and an ASN comes free in that.

    The waiting list got blown out pretty good the other day (1000+ entries -> ~450 now), so if you could probably get on there and have a block by EOY 2026, or early 2027.

    Its a longer play, but you'd save a lot in the end, and now have an asset.

    Francisco

  • sh97sh97 Member, Host Rep

    @Levi said:
    Heh, Junxiao.

    So in general asn costs 50€/year.

    50 EUR/yr is the RIPE cost, and I don't think you'll find anyone selling it at cost. It usually starts at $60+

  • AndreixAndreix Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2025

    Would be also worth noting that neither ARIN nor RIPE will make any distinction between 16-bit or 32-bit now. An ASN is an ASN.

    While ARIN may allocate a 16bit ASN, you have to expressly ask for it, include justification and - this is the cool part - hope ARIN is currently allocating from a 16-bit ASN pool. If not, they'll offer a 32-bit. If you don't accept a 32-bit, they'll close the ticket.

    RIPE won't give a shit you need a 16-bit. They'll offer a 32-bit or close.

    IDK about the other RIRs.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @Andreix said: RIPE won't give a shit you need a 16-bit.

    Why would you need a 16-bit ASN?

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  • AndreixAndreix Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2025

    @raindog308 said:

    @Andreix said: RIPE won't give a shit you need a 16-bit.

    Why would you need a 16-bit ASN?

    The most significant reason is BGP standard communities compatibility. Standard BGP communities use a 32-bit format divided into two 16-bit fields (typically ASN:value), which means they cannot accommodate a 32-bit ASN.

    BGP Large Communities (RFC 8092), which uses a 12-byte format. However, not all networks have adopted Large Communities yet, creating interoperability challenges.

    Also, some platforms have incomplete 32-bit ASN support. Windows Server's BGP implementation has exhibited validation issues limiting ASN values to 16-bit ranges, and certain HPE networking equipment doesn't support 4-byte ASNs at all.

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  • iFog costs 77 Swiss francs per year, ASN + IPv6. You can rent IPv4 from IPXO or contract with Prefix Broker.

  • RIPE ASNs if youre in region and willing to dox yourself go for around 60-80 euros a year. Most give a free IPv6 /40 or /48 with that.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @Andreix said: The most significant reason is BGP standard communities compatibility. Standard BGP communities use a 32-bit format divided into two 16-bit fields (typically ASN:value), which means they cannot accommodate a 32-bit ASN.

    BGP Large Communities (RFC 8092), which uses a 12-byte format. However, not all networks have adopted Large Communities yet, creating interoperability challenges.

    Someday when I am given absolute power over all human endeavors, I'm going to mandate everyone use 128-bit numbers for everything.

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  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    I got mine last week for $75. $15 one-time setup fee and $60/y renewal. You can register as an Individual or business btw

  • edited October 2025

    They are not limited like IPv4, but there is an administration fee, 50 euros per year and your provider (sponsoring LIR) will make you pay a bit extra. Same for IPv6, any organisation or individual can get a free /48, possibly more with justification depending on RIR policy.

    RIPE will allocate to individuals just fine, don't need to be a company. I heard in ARIN you need to be a company, but that's easier in North America than in Europe anyway. Don't know the others.

    Please note the name and address details of your legal entity will be on the register. In some countries that means your home address if you don't register a business at a virtual office. In some European companies there are high requirements to register a corporation and small businesses operate directly under their founder's legal info.

  • FourplexFourplex Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2025

    @Andreix said:
    Would be also worth noting that neither ARIN nor RIPE will make any distinction between 16-bit or 32-bit now. An ASN is an ASN.

    While ARIN may allocate a 16bit ASN, you have to expressly ask for it, include justification and - this is the cool part - hope ARIN is currently allocating from a 16-bit ASN pool. If not, they'll offer a 32-bit. If you don't accept a 32-bit, they'll close the ticket.

    RIPE won't give a shit you need a 16-bit. They'll offer a 32-bit or close.

    IDK about the other RIRs.

    Interestingly, both times I asked for an ARIN ASN I got 16-bit ASNs. One for Fourplex and one for my homelab (via different LLCs).

  • AndreixAndreix Member, Host Rep

    @Fourplex said:

    @Andreix said:
    Would be also worth noting that neither ARIN nor RIPE will make any distinction between 16-bit or 32-bit now. An ASN is an ASN.

    While ARIN may allocate a 16bit ASN, you have to expressly ask for it, include justification and - this is the cool part - hope ARIN is currently allocating from a 16-bit ASN pool. If not, they'll offer a 32-bit. If you don't accept a 32-bit, they'll close the ticket.

    RIPE won't give a shit you need a 16-bit. They'll offer a 32-bit or close.

    IDK about the other RIRs.

    Interestingly, both times I asked for an ARIN ASN I got 16-bit ASNs. One for Fourplex and one for my homelab (via different LLCs).

    The reply we got:

    After 31 December 2010, IANA and the RIRs ceased to make any distinction between 2-byte and 4-byte ASNs. Therefore, ARIN issues ASNs from an undifferentiated pool. If your request is approved, ARIN will issue the next available ASN.

    If a 2-byte ASN is the next available AS number to be allocated then it will be allocated.

    So, I guess it was just pure luck...

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  • FourplexFourplex Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2025

    @Andreix said:
    So, I guess it was just pure luck...

    I was shocked to get it not just once, but twice.

    But I'll happily give up both 16-bit ASNs and go 32-bit-only to have fiber to my house, or to kill IPv4 completely.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • filteredfiltered Member
    edited October 2025

    ARIN took like <24 hours to assign our ASN from start to finish. Just got a /22 on the last assignment, so still have a little over 5 months until our next /22 can be put on the waitlist but it was 22 months total.

    $525 per year for the /22 and the ASN and a /36 :smile:

  • FourplexFourplex Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2025

    @filtered said:
    ARIN took like <24 hours to assign our ASN from start to finish. Just got a /22 on the last assignment, so still have a little over 5 months until our next /22 can be put on the waitlist but it was 22 months total.

    $525 per year for the /22 and the ASN and a /36 :smile:

    My personal ASN is $525/year for two /24s, an ASN and /36.

    I used 4.10, as it was initially Tor relays. I use the /24s now for my homelab.

    I'm less keen to use 4.10 for Fourplex VPS space (outside of the /24 I have for Fourplex) since I don't want to encourage abuse.

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  • @Hotmarer said:
    Now ASN in RIPE cost 50€/y for LIR, so 50€+, /24 is around 100-250€/m.
    Yes, ASN can be for private person not company. For example check @yoursunny ASN - https://bgp.tools/as-set/as200690:as-yoursunny

    zappi offer asn? i can't find the offer in their website.

  • @hary said: zappi offer asn? i can't find the offer in their website.

    No, was/is via cloudie.sh: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/191535/psa-cloudie-networks-breached/

  • @Francisco said:
    If you're in the USA and have enough justification i'd apply to the ARIN waiting list ASAP. You'd be paying $250/year or so for a /24, and an ASN comes free in that.

    The waiting list got blown out pretty good the other day (1000+ entries -> ~450 now), so if you could probably get on there and have a block by EOY 2026, or early 2027.

    Its a longer play, but you'd save a lot in the end, and now have an asset.

    Francisco

    So only companies based in the USA can apply?

  • @MikePT said:

    @Francisco said:
    If you're in the USA and have enough justification i'd apply to the ARIN waiting list ASAP. You'd be paying $250/year or so for a /24, and an ASN comes free in that.

    The waiting list got blown out pretty good the other day (1000+ entries -> ~450 now), so if you could probably get on there and have a block by EOY 2026, or early 2027.

    Its a longer play, but you'd save a lot in the end, and now have an asset.

    Francisco

    So only companies based in the USA can apply?

    Each RIR covers a certain region. ARIN is North America. There's RIPE (Europe - Middle East - Russia), LACNIC (South America), APNIC (Asia/Pacific) and AfriNIC (Africa). They're each similar but different. Consider using the one where you actually live.

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  • @MikePT said:

    @Francisco said:
    If you're in the USA and have enough justification i'd apply to the ARIN waiting list ASAP. You'd be paying $250/year or so for a /24, and an ASN comes free in that.

    The waiting list got blown out pretty good the other day (1000+ entries -> ~450 now), so if you could probably get on there and have a block by EOY 2026, or early 2027.

    Its a longer play, but you'd save a lot in the end, and now have an asset.

    Francisco

    So only companies based in the USA can apply?

    Yes but there are requirements on ARIN's website for who can qualify

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  • @OpaqueRegistrant said:

    @MikePT said:

    @Francisco said:
    If you're in the USA and have enough justification i'd apply to the ARIN waiting list ASAP. You'd be paying $250/year or so for a /24, and an ASN comes free in that.

    The waiting list got blown out pretty good the other day (1000+ entries -> ~450 now), so if you could probably get on there and have a block by EOY 2026, or early 2027.

    Its a longer play, but you'd save a lot in the end, and now have an asset.

    Francisco

    So only companies based in the USA can apply?

    Each RIR covers a certain region. ARIN is North America. There's RIPE (Europe - Middle East - Russia), LACNIC (South America), APNIC (Asia/Pacific) and AfriNIC (Africa). They're each similar but different. Consider using the one where you actually live.

    Yeah, apply to RIPE and wait 2+ years for a bloody /24 not to mention 1850€ yearly fee!

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  • edited October 2025

    @iceman said:

    @OpaqueRegistrant said:

    @MikePT said:

    @Francisco said:
    If you're in the USA and have enough justification i'd apply to the ARIN waiting list ASAP. You'd be paying $250/year or so for a /24, and an ASN comes free in that.

    The waiting list got blown out pretty good the other day (1000+ entries -> ~450 now), so if you could probably get on there and have a block by EOY 2026, or early 2027.

    Its a longer play, but you'd save a lot in the end, and now have an asset.

    Francisco

    So only companies based in the USA can apply?

    Each RIR covers a certain region. ARIN is North America. There's RIPE (Europe - Middle East - Russia), LACNIC (South America), APNIC (Asia/Pacific) and AfriNIC (Africa). They're each similar but different. Consider using the one where you actually live.

    Yeah, apply to RIPE and wait 2+ years for a bloody /24 not to mention 1850€ yearly fee!

    This is for ISPs. Are you an ISP? You're welcome to join RIPE even though not being an ISP, I don't think it's actually a requirement but it is designed as a consortium of ISPs and you'll be treated as one.

    I don't know ARIN's rules, maybe they hand out /24s more freely. I do think they'll reject your application if you're not in the North American region. Are you going to make an overseas shell company for this?

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