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Path.net over $1 Million in Debt - New Court Documents Reveal the Details

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  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Thanked by 1akaemu
  • @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Harassed, how?

  • @trewq said: Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    Would sending the CEO of a company from UK's company house be allowed? Where is the line?

    How fast did Path send their legal team (one guy in a basement) after LET?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Do you know why court documents are public?

    If the majority shared your opinion, they wouldn't be.

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Do you know why court documents are public?

    If the majority shared your opinion, they wouldn't be.

    Again, document is fine. It’s the distribution of personal details within that are the issue. A redacted version would be fine and the same reason the screenshots weren’t removed.

    I’d do the same if someone posted your home address and phone number here.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Do you know why court documents are public?

    If the majority shared your opinion, they wouldn't be.

    Again, document is fine. It’s the distribution of personal details within that are the issue. A redacted version would be fine and the same reason the screenshots weren’t removed.

    I’d do the same if someone posted your home address and phone number here.

    It's not at all the same thing. It's up to courts what information shall be subtracted to the public, not you.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited August 2025

    And tbf if you work for a company that allegedly don't like to pay bills of a million dollars, maybe resign if you can't stand your name being in a court document. It's not that hard.

  • Can somebody just post a full list of hardware and quantity?

  • SoepBlikSoepBlik Barred
    edited August 2025

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Do you know why court documents are public?

    If the majority shared your opinion, they wouldn't be.

    Again, document is fine. It’s the distribution of personal details within that are the issue. A redacted version would be fine and the same reason the screenshots weren’t removed.

    I’d do the same if someone posted your home address and phone number here.

    The court has already made these documents publicly available. I don’t see why the LET moderator should have to decide on that a second time. I request that you add the original links back.

  • @trewq said: I’d do the same if someone posted your home address and phone number here.

    Can you please show me where this happened? Only place where I see addresses or phone numbers is on page 22. Both of those addresses are office addresses.

    The phone # Path lists is on their website, and same does Tech Finance Co. with theirs.

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @SoepBlik said:
    This is nuts, I got these documents from a public source. Its just behind a paywall.

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Do you know why court documents are public?

    If the majority shared your opinion, they wouldn't be.

    Again, document is fine. It’s the distribution of personal details within that are the issue. A redacted version would be fine and the same reason the screenshots weren’t removed.

    I’d do the same if someone posted your home address and phone number here.

    The court has already made these documents publicly available. I don’t see why the LET moderator should have to decide on that a second time.

    Can you provide a link on the court website please?

  • public documents aren't public anymore
    o.O

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @JabJab said:
    public documents aren't public anymore
    o.O

    "It is paywalled so it isn't public information anymore"

  • @JabJab said:
    public documents aren't public anymore
    o.O

    Back in my day, there used to be this big book called a "phone book" filled with people's names, addresses, and their phone numbers. It was the wild west out there I tell you! This was pre-snowflake era.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @artxs said:

    @JabJab said:
    public documents aren't public anymore
    o.O

    Back in my day, there used to be this big book called a "phone book" filled with people's names, addresses, and their phone numbers. It was the wild west out there I tell you! This was pre-snowflake era.

    Imagine if @trewq found this :D

  • wadhahwadhah Member, Host Rep
    edited August 2025

    @trewq said: Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Court documents are public in almost every country in the world for a reason. We can't have transparency and justice without public court documents, LET is included in this statement.

    I kinda understand your worries but I think they are overblown, no one is going to harras anyone involved just because they found it in a court document online. If they wanted to they would have got their information from a quick google search way earlier.

    Everyone I googled from the documents is public and on linkedin. All the phone numbers I googled were also public. All emails too.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Also the comparison to me is kind of ridiculous because we're not talking about connecting some "anonymous" identify to a real person, we're talking about public court docs.

    Thanked by 2tentor mandala
  • SoepBlikSoepBlik Barred
    edited August 2025

    @trewq said:

    @SoepBlik said:
    This is nuts, I got these documents from a public source. Its just behind a paywall.

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:

    @filtered said:

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said:
    Links to full court documents removed as they’re not publicly available and contain personal details of employees that would not otherwise be on the internet.

    what

    are you sure

    someone leaked them?

    Nope, he's wrong. They are part of the public record and anyone can get a copy from Maricopa County's clerk

    Case: Data Sales Co Inc v. Path Networks Inc CV2025-027770

    https://www.clerkofcourt.maricopa.gov/records/obtaining-records

    Public record from a court and posting on LET are two wildly different things. LET isn’t about doxxing people. OP is fine to post a version with personal details of employees redacted.

    You just said they weren't public

    They were

    Now you're changing why they were removed

    Can I think to any public company who has name of their staff on their website?

    This is a dumb rule

    They don’t post staff personal address and phone numbers online though. I’m happy with my decision with what I believe is ethical and follows LETs rules.

    Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Do you know why court documents are public?

    If the majority shared your opinion, they wouldn't be.

    Again, document is fine. It’s the distribution of personal details within that are the issue. A redacted version would be fine and the same reason the screenshots weren’t removed.

    I’d do the same if someone posted your home address and phone number here.

    The court has already made these documents publicly available. I don’t see why the LET moderator should have to decide on that a second time.

    Can you provide a link on the court website please?

    https://eaccess.azcourts.gov/

    As these documents can be publicly downloaded, I respectfully request that you restore the links to them in my original post.

    Thanked by 2emgh mandala
  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @wadhah said:

    @trewq said: Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Court documents are public in almost every country in the world for a reason. We can't have transparency and justice without public court documents, LET is included in this statement.

    I kinda understand your worries but I think they are overblown, no one is going to harras anyone involved just because they found it in a court document online. If they wanted to they would have got their information from a quick google search way earlier.

    Everyone I googled from the documents is public and on linkedin. All the phone numbers I googled were also public. All emails too.

    I will admit that all of my knowledge and standing is based in AU where in civil cases you can access unrestricted documents as an unrelated party however it is a lengthy process including rules like not being able to distribute and providing a valid reason for requesting them.

    Unfortunately we have already received a report of harassment after this was posted, which prompted the removal of the links.

    I’ll discuss with other mods in the background and update the community after.

  • SoepBlikSoepBlik Barred
    edited August 2025

    @trewq said:

    @wadhah said:

    @trewq said: Before actioning this a discussion was started with the other mods. If there are a difference of opinions we’ll work through that like we normally do but I can’t in good concise leave links up that are actively causing people to be harassed.

    Court documents are public in almost every country in the world for a reason. We can't have transparency and justice without public court documents, LET is included in this statement.

    I kinda understand your worries but I think they are overblown, no one is going to harras anyone involved just because they found it in a court document online. If they wanted to they would have got their information from a quick google search way earlier.

    Everyone I googled from the documents is public and on linkedin. All the phone numbers I googled were also public. All emails too.

    I will admit that all of my knowledge and standing is based in AU where in civil cases you can access unrestricted documents as an unrelated party however it is a lengthy process including rules like not being able to distribute and providing a valid reason for requesting them.

    Unfortunately we have already received a report of harassment after this was posted, which prompted the removal of the links.

    I’ll discuss with other mods in the background and update the community after.

    To proof that you can publicly request these exact documents for a small fee:


    Thanked by 3emgh tentor mandala
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @trewq said: Unfortunately we have already received a report of harassment after this was posted, which prompted the removal of the links.

    You don't think this sounds like an easy way out for Path to not be embarrassed?

  • SoepBlikSoepBlik Barred
    edited August 2025

    For everyone who wants to review the documents until the mods made their decision:

    1. Create an account on: https://eaccess.azcourts.gov/
    2. Search for case number: CV2025027770
    3. Pay 10$ and download the document

    Easy as that. The free link I posted should have never been removed in the first place. @trewq

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @SoepBlik said:
    For everyone who wants to review the documents until the mods made their decision:

    1. Create an account on: https://eaccess.azcourts.gov/
    2. Search for case number: CV2025027770
    3. Pay 10$ and download the document

    Just make sure to not post it here!!!

    Thanked by 1SoepBlik
  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @emgh said:

    @trewq said: Unfortunately we have already received a report of harassment after this was posted, which prompted the removal of the links.

    You don't think this sounds like an easy way out for Path to not be embarrassed?

    Perhaps but at no point did they request the thread removed, just the personal information in the document, not even the document itself.

    From my view there is no malicious intent so actioning a reasonable request to remove PII from what I determined to be not public info (at the time) was the appropriate course of action. Just like I’d do for any similar request, especially when harassment is involved.

    New information is being provided in this thread that may challenge some of the decision making process I made. I’m not worried about changing my view on things with new facts but I just want to make sure the next steps are the right ones, please give me some time to discuss with other mods.

    Thanked by 2emgh wadhah
  • Im happy to blur out 200 pages of PDFs. Give me half an hour.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @trewq said: Perhaps but at no point did they request the thread removed, just the personal information in the document, not even the document itself.

    From my view there is no malicious intent so actioning a reasonable request to remove PII from what I determined to be not public info (at the time) was the appropriate course of action. Just like I’d do for any similar request, especially when harassment is involved.

    How about they pay their alleged unpaid bills and the court document wouldn't exist? Just a thought could be wrong

    Thanked by 1fatchan
  • xvpsxvps Member

    @SoepBlik said:
    For everyone who wants to review the documents until the mods made their decision:

    1. Create an account on: https://eaccess.azcourts.gov/
    2. Search for case number: CV2025027770
    3. Pay 10$ and download the document

    Easy as that. The free link I posted should have never been removed in the first place. @trewq

    Well, wayback machine was faster than @trewq so everyone can find the download link there.

  • @trewq Please update the primary post with the following censored file. Albeit I feel this makes the info more obvious, I will still provide the censored file.

    https://files.catbox.moe/atje8d.pdf

  • SoepBlikSoepBlik Barred
    edited August 2025

    @PolyAnthi said:
    @trewq Please update the primary post with the following censored file. Albeit I feel this makes the info more obvious, I will still provide the censored file.

    https://files.catbox.moe/atje8d.pdf

    Nah, the original document is public, we should not have to censor this.

  • Public record is public. Privately owned community is Private. If LET has stricter privacy protection than the government I don't think it's a bad thing. As long as there's no alterior motive.

    Thanked by 1OhJohn
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