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Urgent issue with Verasel servers : Review Update!

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  • zedzed Member

    @MannDude said:

    @zed said:

    @HossamEd said:
    Update: I received a reply that my server was being missed as they were removed and shutdown by mistake, server is up, moved my rest backup and got my refund, As I am fearing to have such issue again in the near future!

    Do you feel this kind of thing is more prone to happen with his policy of not using any software to maintain billing etc information?

    Anyway, glad it was only in error.

    Could still have internal accounting on his side. Whether it be an excel spreadsheet, random calendar, or whatever. Not that that is a particular good system, but just like any other non-hosting business, accounts could be kept offline in a spreadsheet or on paper.

    I'm sure he must, but I only know him from the recent .. intense interactions here so I wonder.

    Worked for decades. Could technically still work now. Though if that was the case I'd want a chain smoking secretary with a hairsprayed perm in charge of the books, just like every business pre-90's.

    I remember her!

  • @M66B said:

    I'm 10 feet tall.

    I'm 10 feet tall.

    I'm 10 feet tall.

    I've said this three times, so it must be true.

    I don't know if I should have added a /s for my sarcasm or if it’s even better without.

    Thanked by 1sillycat
  • @LowEndStalker said:

    @ascicode said:

    @fmxm said:

    @BilohBucks said:
    What else did you expected from guy who sell their servers on telegram?

    MJJs love Telegram seller.

    anything that needs an app to buy> @LowEndStalker said:

    @BilohBucks said:
    What else did you expected from guy who sell their servers on telegram?

    even major providers, like Macarne, offer dedicated servers / VPS's strictly through telegram. This isnt unusual to see.

    A business is a business. Same regulations, same laws, etc.

    Unless it is quite literally a reseller that sells servers via telegram, I'm not too sure where you are coming from.

    Shouldnt be allowed without website.

    for what reason?

    Are you going to get a server that would have worse perf than if you were to get the same server from a well known provider, like Hetzner?

    No.

    Are you still protected since they are a business // do they still have to follow the law since they are a business?

    Yes.

    as said, as long as they are a registered business, there is nothing to worry about.

    Also, most of the time it is just the case of they dont have a website that publically advertises they sell dedicated servers. This does NOT mean they dont have a panel to control the server, e.g with IPMI.

    I see nothing wrong with selling servers over telegram, personally.

    please, feel free to share your opinion, I'd be happy to hear the reason you dont trust people who sell servers through telegram :smile:

    This is like the worst kinda provider you could purchase from.

    1. Accepts only crypto, so you could easily get scammed
    2. Does not give a rat's ass about his reputation, so you could easily get scammed
    3. Is willing to host full blown criminals, so if he gets taken down or arrested, you could easily get scammed

    I'd go back and buy from hostslick before this feller.

  • LowEndStalkerLowEndStalker Member
    edited August 2025

    @xvps said:

    @LowEndStalker said:

    @ascicode said:

    @fmxm said:

    @BilohBucks said:
    What else did you expected from guy who sell their servers on telegram?

    MJJs love Telegram seller.

    anything that needs an app to buy> @LowEndStalker said:

    @BilohBucks said:
    What else did you expected from guy who sell their servers on telegram?

    even major providers, like Macarne, offer dedicated servers / VPS's strictly through telegram. This isnt unusual to see.

    A business is a business. Same regulations, same laws, etc.

    Unless it is quite literally a reseller that sells servers via telegram, I'm not too sure where you are coming from.

    Shouldnt be allowed without website.

    for what reason?

    Are you going to get a server that would have worse perf than if you were to get the same server from a well known provider, like Hetzner?

    No.

    Are you still protected since they are a business // do they still have to follow the law since they are a business?

    Yes.

    as said, as long as they are a registered business, there is nothing to worry about.

    Also, most of the time it is just the case of they dont have a website that publically advertises they sell dedicated servers. This does NOT mean they dont have a panel to control the server, e.g with IPMI.

    I see nothing wrong with selling servers over telegram, personally.

    please, feel free to share your opinion, I'd be happy to hear the reason you dont trust people who sell servers through telegram :smile:

    I like how this “new” user writes exactly the same way as verasel, asking questions and then replying to them.

    The end is nigh!

    fun fact: I'm not Verasel.

    sad I even have to make that clear.

    IM SORRY IM WELL SPOKEN, LOL!

    Would you like my discord, telegram, and social security number along with that?

  • eKoeKo Member

    I'd like VERY MUCH to get in contact with @Verasel since he's not answering my telegram/signal messages from ages.

    I have 2 active servers with him, past due payment (from 5th august) due the fact he's not answering my messages. Now I fear I'll be shut down without notice.

    If someone has direct contact with Verasel, please make him somehow answer my messages!

    Thanks in advance!

  • @Verasel said: there will be no further LET giveaways, or sales threads, or any activity. i am logging off

    i like this part when he emo quit and then comes back nearly 3 weeks later lmao

  • LowEndStalkerLowEndStalker Member
    edited August 2025

    @sunnyg said:

    @LowEndStalker said:

    @ascicode said:

    @fmxm said:

    @BilohBucks said:
    What else did you expected from guy who sell their servers on telegram?

    MJJs love Telegram seller.

    anything that needs an app to buy> @LowEndStalker said:

    @BilohBucks said:
    What else did you expected from guy who sell their servers on telegram?

    even major providers, like Macarne, offer dedicated servers / VPS's strictly through telegram. This isnt unusual to see.

    A business is a business. Same regulations, same laws, etc.

    Unless it is quite literally a reseller that sells servers via telegram, I'm not too sure where you are coming from.

    Shouldnt be allowed without website.

    for what reason?

    Are you going to get a server that would have worse perf than if you were to get the same server from a well known provider, like Hetzner?

    No.

    Are you still protected since they are a business // do they still have to follow the law since they are a business?

    Yes.

    as said, as long as they are a registered business, there is nothing to worry about.

    Also, most of the time it is just the case of they dont have a website that publically advertises they sell dedicated servers. This does NOT mean they dont have a panel to control the server, e.g with IPMI.

    I see nothing wrong with selling servers over telegram, personally.

    please, feel free to share your opinion, I'd be happy to hear the reason you dont trust people who sell servers through telegram :smile:

    This is like the worst kinda provider you could purchase from.

    1. Accepts only crypto, so you could easily get scammed
    2. Does not give a rat's ass about his reputation, so you could easily get scammed
    3. Is willing to host full blown criminals, so if he gets taken down or arrested, you could easily get scammed

    I'd go back and buy from hostslick before this feller.

    the difference between Hostslick and Verasel is the fact Verasel has a soul and will give out free servers / compensation to people with unexpected downtime.

    "Does not give a rat's ass about his reputation"
    Verasel has good reputation and is overall a good & respectful person person. I'm sad he got pushed off of LET for some ridiculous matter. One of the best & most generous hosts here, in my opinion.

    I'm not sure where you got the idea he doesnt care about his reputation, because I guarentee he does. Its human to care.

    "Is willing to host full blown criminals, so if he gets taken down or arrested, you could easily get scammed" any host could be doing // do this, e.g is Aeza :smile:.

  • @timmmy said:

    @Verasel said: there will be no further LET giveaways, or sales threads, or any activity. i am logging off

    i like this part when he emo quit and then comes back nearly 3 weeks later lmao

    wait he's back?

    I thought he fully left lol

  • LowEndStalkerLowEndStalker Member
    edited August 2025

    fun fact: the URL he was planning to use for a forum (Like LET) (cashmoney.org) is now being used to redirect to anonymous.hosting :#

    So much for Verasel not having a website

  • 1) free test servers that were never bought/renewed were being removed (NOT DELETED)
    2) since his 2 servers were from the same IP range, they got caught in the middle
    3) I APOLOGIZED
    4) i re-enabled the servers, refunded him the full amount
    5) I SENT +$50 USD EXTRA with the refund as a sorry
    6) SHIT DOES HAPPEN, still, I AM SORRY.

    anyone that thinks that i am interested in, or would want to scam anyone can suck on a dick, because i am almost done messaging and emailing everyone that I CANNOT fulfill any orders for the time being due to IRL circumstances.

    @eKo please tell me where and how you messaged me, because I STILL have +100 people who contacted regarding 175 10gb/s servers.

  • LowEndStalkerLowEndStalker Member
    edited August 2025

    @Verasel said:
    1) free test servers that were never bought/renewed were being removed (NOT DELETED)
    2) since his 2 servers were from the same IP range, they got caught in the middle
    3) I APOLOGIZED
    4) i re-enabled the servers, refunded him the full amount
    5) I SENT +$50 USD EXTRA with the refund as a sorry
    6) SHIT DOES HAPPEN, still, I AM SORRY.

    anyone that thinks that i am interested in, or would want to scam anyone can suck on a dick, because i am almost done messaging and emailing everyone that I CANNOT fulfill any orders for the time being due to IRL circumstances.

    @eKo please tell me where and how you messaged me, because I STILL have +100 people who contacted regarding 175 10gb/s servers.

    welcome back, Verasel :smile:

    Hope you had a nice time away (while you could, at least :smile: )

    Any giveaways happening anytime soon ;) ?

    Thanked by 1Verasel
  • @LowEndStalker said: as said, as long as they are a registered business, there is nothing to worry about.

    I'm registered in the Seychelles. Am I related to this entity? Is it completely someone else and I'm just claiming to be them? Who knows!

    Does the company have any assets? Will anything happen if you sue me in Africa? WHO KNOWS!!!

    Thanked by 1zed
  • @sillycat said:

    @LowEndStalker said: as said, as long as they are a registered business, there is nothing to worry about.

    I'm registered in the Seychelles. Am I related to this entity? Is it completely someone else and I'm just claiming to be them? Who knows!

    Does the company have any assets? Will anything happen if you sue me in Africa? WHO KNOWS!!!

    Well if youve made it to their telegram youve obviously found your way to them through other sources, one way or another :smile:

    we're talking about people who dont advertise websites, remember.

    People have to tell you about these people, and as such, you usually get a contact for em!

  • point of the fact is,
    i fucked up, apologized, he got back online, got his refund, got a free $50 usd for his troubles, i told people i am not working at the moment. no new customers are accepted.

    last thing on my mind is creating stupid forum accounts and arguing with stupid people.

    i dont need to hide behind other accounts, one is enough.

    so kindly, get off my dick, anyone that thinks i would have the fucking time to do so.

    idiots.

    Thanked by 3eKo allexanderbm Yuki_
  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    @sillycat said:

    @LowEndStalker said: as said, as long as they are a registered business, there is nothing to worry about.

    I'm registered in the Seychelles. Am I related to this entity? Is it completely someone else and I'm just claiming to be them? Who knows!

    Does the company have any assets? Will anything happen if you sue me in Africa? WHO KNOWS!!!

    I love the Seychelles

  • xvpsxvps Member

    @Verasel said:
    point of the fact is,
    i fucked up, apologized, he got back online, got his refund, got a free $50 usd for his troubles, i told people i am not working at the moment. no new customers are accepted.

    last thing on my mind is creating stupid forum accounts and arguing with stupid people.

    i dont need to hide behind other accounts, one is enough.

    so kindly, get off my dick, anyone that thinks i would have the fucking time to do so.

    idiots.

    Thanks for the compliment. :D

    Thanked by 1Frameworks
  • question : how many servers can an one-man-shop managed?

  • @Tange said:
    question : how many servers can an one-man-shop managed?

    You should look at the rest 90% of let who oversell like crazy and have 10 times more

  • update: He did what he said here as I only requested full refund as I cannot accept this to happen again in the future, PLUS He said don't contact me again, I will never sell you servers and then I think He blocked me for only this added post on LET! - Did you think that I have to wait for a day and set for your come back with my offline service till you have time to see my message! it's your responsibility to keep client's server online 99.99% and even not being upset from my post!

    They way of deal was not professional, When I told him how come for my servers to go offline for more than 13 hours, and removed from panel for no reason, the answer was "servers were only restarting", 13 hours of restart!

    When I requested a refund I requested only what I have paid, and if you consider that $50 is a compensation and worth what have been already happened to me since this issue! it worth nothing and you can keep it for yourself as I didn't ask for it! Your were kind till I said I have added a post on LET to get any info about what happened if it's a public case with you as from 1st of August "date of my renewal payment" I didn't received any reply from your side on my payment or even my Telegram messages! even messages not being seen!

    You have to know that this issue happened 1 AM before going to sleep, and resulted in working till 11 AM in ordering 2 servers 10gbps - setup servers - transfer backup and migrating my data from another servers and all these on weekend! PLUS paying more for this to happen as fast as I can, and all this time my service was offline because of what happened, and Finally I am wrong, this is a farce!

    From this lesson I learnt that dealing with known companies are better enough even if it's not matching price + HW specs as there are other very important factors that must be taken into consideration, which is what happened to me yesterday due to lack of professionalism. As this is the first time to face such issue and thanks God that I had a backup of both servers as I was fearing from this to happen anytime.

    At last not at least I have the right to post my review "positive or even negative" according to what I am seeing in dealing and as I said on my first review it was very good till what happened yesterday!

    Thanked by 1zed
  • LeviLevi Member

    @Verasel said:
    point of the fact is,
    i fucked up, apologized, he got back online, got his refund, got a free $50 usd for his troubles, i told people i am not working at the moment. no new customers are accepted.

    last thing on my mind is creating stupid forum accounts and arguing with stupid people.

    i dont need to hide behind other accounts, one is enough.

    so kindly, get off my dick, anyone that thinks i would have the fucking time to do so.

    idiots.

    A true ADULT right here. Massive emanations of adultism. My testosterone level boosted so high.

  • Who’s selling popcorn?

  • @AlteredParadox said:
    Who’s selling popcorn?

    Only possible to order through Telegram.

    Thanked by 3zed satorik Peppery9
  • @HossamEd said:
    update: He did what he said here as I only requested full refund as I cannot accept this to happen again in the future, PLUS He said don't contact me again, I will never sell you servers and then I think He blocked me for only this added post on LET! - Did you think that I have to wait for a day and set for your come back with my offline service till you have time to see my message! it's your responsibility to keep client's server online 99.99% and even not being upset from my post!

    They way of deal was not professional, When I told him how come for my servers to go offline for more than 13 hours, and removed from panel for no reason, the answer was "servers were only restarting", 13 hours of restart!

    When I requested a refund I requested only what I have paid, and if you consider that $50 is a compensation and worth what have been already happened to me since this issue! it worth nothing and you can keep it for yourself as I didn't ask for it! Your were kind till I said I have added a post on LET to get any info about what happened if it's a public case with you as from 1st of August "date of my renewal payment" I didn't received any reply from your side on my payment or even my Telegram messages! even messages not being seen!

    You have to know that this issue happened 1 AM before going to sleep, and resulted in working till 11 AM in ordering 2 servers 10gbps - setup servers - transfer backup and migrating my data from another servers and all these on weekend! PLUS paying more for this to happen as fast as I can, and all this time my service was offline because of what happened, and Finally I am wrong, this is a farce!

    From this lesson I learnt that dealing with known companies are better enough even if it's not matching price + HW specs as there are other very important factors that must be taken into consideration, which is what happened to me yesterday due to lack of professionalism. As this is the first time to face such issue and thanks God that I had a backup of both servers as I was fearing from this to happen anytime.

    At last not at least I have the right to post my review "positive or even negative" according to what I am seeing in dealing and as I said on my first review it was very good till what happened yesterday!

    I don’t think you understand what kind of people I am used to dealing with here.

    1) i have no reason to scam, so if something is offline, it’s not because i am going to steal your money and run away. if you cant understand this concept, then we were not a good match to begin with.

    2) we cant be buddies after you publicly accuse me of being a scammer. you didnt pay anything in advance, you tested it, then you paid. fair is fair, 99.9% providers here wouldnt let you do that.

    so, like i said, i also reserve the right to choose with whom i work with, and you. i would not, even if you offered to pay double (it would still be cheaper than most) because the only issue you can complain about is that you were offline due to a clerical error and i repeat — offline, for a reason, not deleted, etc.

    if i “accidentally” rm -rf’d you, then, yeah — i would even say it would warrant a ban, refund or not, policies or not — but these are bare metal servers sold as-is, with unmetered bandwidth and free hardware replacements and/or upgrades.

    but, once i do start working again, i will be working how i worked from the beginning: with people that i know and who wouldn’t think that it’s normal to post something like this and then message me on telegram.

    @Levi
    i dont need his business, i respect everyone, but you cant believe that i will continue working with someone after they accidentally me of scamming me, and then think we can still be buddies?

    there is absolutely nothing wrong with my post. people i want to work with are those with a basic understanding of both adulthood and humanity.

    shit happens, and sometimes, there is nothing you can do other than decide if you want to go and tarnish someone’s reputation because you “didn’t sleep”.

    you’re an adult, it comes with the territory, much like accepting that people won’t want to work with you if you act like 10 year old.

    there is no being buddies with someone who goes and posts a thread the first chance they get — you avoid people like that.

    already getting the cheapest server possible, didn’t pay anything in advance, knows the quality, and understands that it’s not he weekend too, still proceeds to do it, and then wants to talk? err, no.

    i spent many sleepless nights doing shit for people, for free, and so what? but one thing i never demanded, expected — or received, was any type of apology, refund, or free money if my server got “misplaced” (wiped!) or if they decided not to work with me, be it due to change in policies or anything.

    you just cant use that as an excuse for posting a thread like this.

    people oversell, wipe servers, etc. servers from the test server /24 get turned off to figure out who is renewing and who isn’t — apologies given, fully refunded with extra money for troubles. what else can anyone expect here?

    a bigger discount? beg him to continue being a customer? no… just no need to. i will rather work with 15 people than 500 clients who will have unreasonable expectations and go and make public threads because they can’t reach me for half a day.

    seriously. grow up. both of you.

  • @Levi said:

    @Verasel said:
    point of the fact is,
    i fucked up, apologized, he got back online, got his refund, got a free $50 usd for his troubles, i told people i am not working at the moment. no new customers are accepted.

    last thing on my mind is creating stupid forum accounts and arguing with stupid people.

    i dont need to hide behind other accounts, one is enough.

    so kindly, get off my dick, anyone that thinks i would have the fucking time to do so.

    idiots.

    A true ADULT right here. Massive emanations of adultism. My testosterone level boosted so high.

    truly

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited August 2025

    Summary:

    • OP hasn't cried us just one river but two.
    • OP got fully refunded by @Verasel plus an additional "I'm sorry" $50.
    • Yes, it does seem that Verasel wasn't on the ball for some (short) time. But he refunded and/or made up for any damage/problem created.
    • OP didn't act less emotional than Verasel.
    • Yes, Verasel seems to be pissed off by OP's stubborn and very emotionally driven private war against him; maybe also by what he experienced here and how he got - and still gets - treated here by some (many?). AFAIC I don't like that because Verasel's "interface" should reflect his good quality as both a host and a human being - but I certainly can understand it.
    • My free dedi (and that's all I can judge on) is running perfectly fine, connectivity is great and I see no reason at all to doubt Verasel's reliability and quality as a provider.

    Oh and: warmly welcome back, Verasel :)

  • @Verasel said: 2) we cant be buddies after you publicly accuse me of being a scammer. you didnt pay anything in advance, you tested it, then you paid. fair is fair, 99.9% providers here wouldnt let you do that.

    I only tested one server and paid for the second, and renewal for both was on advance on 1st of August (due date 7th of August) ! and I requested the third server and you promised to deliver on 19th of July and failed and made me ordering from another provider for that Third server, I am not in a position to ask for free servers, I pay what I am getting, and only get first test test and then paid for both and for renewals as well

    This answer is to be considered as a Lake of professionalism and from my point of view is not accepted! others may accept, But I don't.

    @Verasel said: shit happens, and sometimes, there is nothing you can do other than decide if you want to go and tarnish someone’s reputation because you “didn’t sleep”.

    @Verasel said: you’re an adult, it comes with the territory, much like accepting that people won’t want to work with you if you act like 10 year old.

    I am 40 year old and know how to deal with you and with others and your reply/tone behavior is not accepted, and I have the right to post anywhere if what I post is true and not fake! I paid you advanced for the second server and in advance for both servers renewal

    You said you will give me one month for free for all servers because you failed in delivery of third server but I didn't care about getting free offer, I care about uptime and professionalism

    No need to use non-accepted words in your speech again with me, If others accept that from you, I don't!

    and Again You are not the only provider for these services, We have here plenty of providers and again I care about additional things to be considered first then it comes for price matching

  • Your free dedi, Aha I got it why Your reply should be like that :smiley:

    @jsg said:
    Summary:

    • OP hasn't cried us just one river but two.
    • OP got fully refunded by @Verasel plus an additional "I'm sorry" $50.
    • Yes, it does seem that Verasel wasn't on the ball for some (short) time. But he refunded and/or made up for any damage/problem created.
    • OP didn't act less emotional than Verasel.
    • Yes, Verasel seems to be pissed off by OP's stubborn and very emotionally driven private war against him; maybe also by what he experienced here and how he got - and still gets - treated here by some (many?). AFAIC I don't like that because Verasel's "interface" should reflect his good quality as both a host and a human being - but I certainly can understand it.
    • My free dedi (and that's all I can judge on) is running perfectly fine, connectivity is great and I see no reason at all to doubt Verasel's reliability and quality as a provider.

    Oh and: warmly welcome back, Verasel :)

    Your free dedi, Aha I got it why Your reply should be like that :smiley:

    I didn't cried, and you cannot judge others, It's none of your business, just feel happy with your free server without distorting the facts on this post!

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @HossamEd said:

    Your free dedi, Aha I got it why Your reply should be like that :smiley:

    @jsg said:
    Summary:

    • OP hasn't cried us just one river but two.
    • OP got fully refunded by @Verasel plus an additional "I'm sorry" $50.
    • Yes, it does seem that Verasel wasn't on the ball for some (short) time. But he refunded and/or made up for any damage/problem created.
    • OP didn't act less emotional than Verasel.
    • Yes, Verasel seems to be pissed off by OP's stubborn and very emotionally driven private war against him; maybe also by what he experienced here and how he got - and still gets - treated here by some (many?). AFAIC I don't like that because Verasel's "interface" should reflect his good quality as both a host and a human being - but I certainly can understand it.
    • My free dedi (and that's all I can judge on) is running perfectly fine, connectivity is great and I see no reason at all to doubt Verasel's reliability and quality as a provider.

    Oh and: warmly welcome back, Verasel :)

    Your free dedi, Aha I got it why Your reply should be like that :smiley:

    I didn't cried, and you cannot judge others, It's none of your business, just feel happy with your free server without distorting the facts on this post!

    Well, not only you have the right to say what you please. But thanks for your amusing attempt to silence me.

    As for the facts: you seem to be so much in rage that you failed to see the logic, so I'll spell it out clearly. If even a free dedi from @Verasel works fine and reliably, their paid-for dedis can be presumed to be even better and even more reliable.

    Btw, Verasel fully refunded you and even put something on top as a "I'm sorry" - what more can one ask?
    Shit happens that's just life. Even with the best providers. A reasonable person knows and accepts that, an idiot starts a revenge campaign. Simple as that, no matter how much and long you dance around it.
    Similarly a reasonable person is pleased when a provider offers compensation, an idiot continues his revenge campaign.

    IMO Verasel did exactly the right thing, the only reasonable thing in such a situation. He kicked you out because the time and effort you demand is time and effort that isn't spent on reasonable and decent customers.

    Have a nice week.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @MannDude said:

    @zed said:

    @HossamEd said:
    Update: I received a reply that my server was being missed as they were removed and shutdown by mistake, server is up, moved my rest backup and got my refund, As I am fearing to have such issue again in the near future!

    Do you feel this kind of thing is more prone to happen with his policy of not using any software to maintain billing etc information?

    Anyway, glad it was only in error.

    Could still have internal accounting on his side. Whether it be an excel spreadsheet, random calendar, or whatever. Not that that is a particular good system, but just like any other non-hosting business, accounts could be kept offline in a spreadsheet or on paper.

    Worked for decades. Could technically still work now. Though if that was the case I'd want a chain smoking secretary with a hairsprayed perm in charge of the books, just like every business pre-90's.

    Doing your accounts in a spreadsheet is illegal in Sweden, and so I guess in most of EU. Not that he’s in EU, but in regards to:

    but just like any other non-hosting business, accounts could be kept offline in a spreadsheet or on paper.

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