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Proxmox 9 is out today

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  • wii747wii747 Member

    @ScreenReader said:

    @wii747 said:

    @AlteredParadox said:

    @barbarza said:

    @AlteredParadox said:
    I shall be the guinea pig. ALL THE UPGRADES

    Fresh install?

    in place upgrade from 8.4.8. Did two of them today, so far so good!

    I just updated one of my test OVH Proxmox servers and all went smoothly

    are you running cluster or just single-node?

    Just a single node.

  • wii747wii747 Member
    edited August 2025

    Proxmox Backup Server 4 is now released

    Thanked by 1bdl
  • aj_potcaj_potc Member

    @Calypso said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Jesus Christ. Upgrading what should be ultra stable hypervisor to unreleased OS is fucking stupid. All those large corporations that switched from VMWare have to "wtf?" themselves after amateur shit like this.

    Well those "large corporations that switched from VMWare" normally already have testing procedures in place and usually don't migrate until a first (regular) update is released. So in that perspective they'll go "Meh" about an unreleased OS as the current base.

    In the few decades that I worked in major IT environments with VMWare nobody migrated production environment to a .0 version.

    All true regarding migration, but it does look very silly when a company is shipping a new hypervisor version before the required OS has been officially released.

    Debian 13 has only been under a hard freeze status for a week or so. Was Proxmox really able to test its hypervisor during this time and certify it as bulletproof under a brand new OS? I have my doubts.

  • alegeekalegeek Member

    I upgraded a single node yesterday, no problems at all.

  • rockytechrockytech Member

    @alegeek said:
    I upgraded a single node yesterday, no problems at all.

    That's great news. Hope to have some more feedback before trying it out.

  • instancehostinstancehost Member

    Improved Mobile UI will definitely help people when they are not on PC and something urgent occurs <3.

  • alegeekalegeek Member

    @instancehost said:
    Improved Mobile UI will definitely help people when they are not on PC and something urgent occurs <3.

    It's nice but I find using Proxmate on my phone works well.

    Thanked by 1instancehost
  • instancehostinstancehost Member

    @alegeek said:

    @instancehost said:
    Improved Mobile UI will definitely help people when they are not on PC and something urgent occurs <3.

    It's nice but I find using Proxmate on my phone works well.

    I saw Proxmate also, but I was a bit skeptical since it was not a first party app. Proxmate looks good tho.

  • jason5545jason5545 Member

    @bdl said:

    @jason5545 said:

    @bdl said:
    Upgrade info here: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Upgrade_from_8_to_9

    Looks like Proxmox Backup Server 4 upgrade required if installed alongside PVE 9, PBS4 is still in beta.

    https://pbs.proxmox.com/wiki/Upgrade_from_3_to_4

    I literally just start backing up my PVE 9 on my newly setup PBS 3.7, "looks like" it's progressing well, should I abort it? :o

    EDIT: my PBS is a remote instance, should be fine.

    test you can restore after the initial backup.

    I tried to find if PVE9 requires PBS4 or whether you can still backup to PBS3 but I couldn't find anything conclusive. (but this seems to suggest you need to go to PBS4 - https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/1mi9xk4/comment/n73k7ca/)

    It works, but I will still take some time to upgrade to PBS 4.

  • bdlbdl Member

    @jason5545 said:

    @bdl said:

    @jason5545 said:

    @bdl said:
    Upgrade info here: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Upgrade_from_8_to_9

    Looks like Proxmox Backup Server 4 upgrade required if installed alongside PVE 9, PBS4 is still in beta.

    https://pbs.proxmox.com/wiki/Upgrade_from_3_to_4

    I literally just start backing up my PVE 9 on my newly setup PBS 3.7, "looks like" it's progressing well, should I abort it? :o

    EDIT: my PBS is a remote instance, should be fine.

    test you can restore after the initial backup.

    I tried to find if PVE9 requires PBS4 or whether you can still backup to PBS3 but I couldn't find anything conclusive. (but this seems to suggest you need to go to PBS4 - https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/1mi9xk4/comment/n73k7ca/)

    It works, but I will still take some time to upgrade to PBS 4.

    https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/proxmox-backup-server-4-0-released.169305/

    PBS4 Announcement FAQ says that PVE9 to PBS3 is supported B)

    Thanked by 1jason5545
  • NetPIMPNetPIMP Member
    edited August 2025

    @TimboJones said:
    Jesus Christ. Upgrading what should be ultra stable hypervisor to unreleased OS is fucking stupid. All those large corporations that switched from VMWare have to "wtf?" themselves after amateur shit like this.

    hyperbolic take ... Trixie was frozen in advance of PVE9 release, so nothing that matters was going to change prior, barring some major security issue that didn't materialize. I'm sure those "large corporations" pay for support, so they're not saying "WTF" they're saying, "meh, we paid already, so it's on them" ...

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member

    @NetPIMP said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Jesus Christ. Upgrading what should be ultra stable hypervisor to unreleased OS is fucking stupid. All those large corporations that switched from VMWare have to "wtf?" themselves after amateur shit like this.

    hyperbolic take ... Trixie was frozen in advance of PVE9 release, so nothing that matters was going to change prior, barring some major security issue that didn't materialize. I'm sure those "large corporations" pay for support, so they're not saying "WTF" they're saying, "meh, we paid already, so it's on them" ...

    whoosh

    The OS hadn't even had a chance to be generally released, there's lots of bugs to work out before making the release official. It's like they went by their summer vacation plans instead of after a reasonable test cycle. What's the rush?

    You won't convince me. After upgrade and rebooting my PBS, all nics in Down state despite having links on the switches. Try to apply network, get some fucking useless error. Meanwhile, the PVE checks warn about the 8125's and DKMS module, so I at least am expecting issues there, but not with Intel 10Gbps nics working just fine in PBS 3 that got no warnings in the pre-upgrade full checks and still end up bricking the machine. Companies going from well documented driver support on VMWare side to YOLO.

  • NetPIMPNetPIMP Member

    @TimboJones said:
    You won't convince me.

    I neither had, nor do I have any intention of convincing you of anything. You've clearly made up your mind and had whatever experience you've had. Plenty of others have had different experiences. Have a great day.

    Thanked by 2AlteredParadox Ouji
  • alfatarsosalfatarsos Member, Host Rep

    I've read (on a private Telegram chat) at least one report of issues when updating from PVE8 to PVE9, bringing the system to a kernel panic and showing... a PSOD (Purple Screen of Death). Without logs.

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member

    @NetPIMP said:

    @TimboJones said:
    You won't convince me.

    I neither had, nor do I have any intention of convincing you of anything. You've clearly made up your mind and had whatever experience you've had. Plenty of others have had different experiences. Have a great day.

    You replied with the argument that the code was frozen, ignoring the point it hasn't been released to be widely tested. You also implied what big companies would think, also without understanding our previously made points about lack of testing. It would be foolish to have such an attitude. If you need paid support to step in, damage is already happening.

  • NetPIMPNetPIMP Member

    @TimboJones said:
    You replied with the argument that the code was frozen, ignoring the point it hasn't been released to be widely tested. You also implied what big companies would think, also without understanding our previously made points about lack of testing. It would be foolish to have such an attitude. If you need paid support to step in, damage is already happening.

    OK. Have a nice day.

    Thanked by 2AlteredParadox Ouji
  • suyadi92suyadi92 Member

    @host_c said
    Hmmm, need a fee PB of backup, anyone has some spare space left ????
    :D :D :D

    @yoursunny 's deep atlantic storage app to the rescue 🛟

    Thanked by 2yoursunny host_c
  • AlteredParadoxAlteredParadox Member

    @TimboJones said:

    @NetPIMP said:

    @TimboJones said:
    You won't convince me.

    I neither had, nor do I have any intention of convincing you of anything. You've clearly made up your mind and had whatever experience you've had. Plenty of others have had different experiences. Have a great day.

    You replied with the argument that the code was frozen, ignoring the point it hasn't been released to be widely tested. You also implied what big companies would think, also without understanding our previously made points about lack of testing. It would be foolish to have such an attitude. If you need paid support to step in, damage is already happening.

    I like llamas.

  • kenwongkenwong Member

    No issues so far works great on my small testing cluster.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @suyadi92 said:

    @host_c said
    Hmmm, need a fee PB of backup, anyone has some spare space left ????
    :D :D :D

    @yoursunny 's deep atlantic storage app to the rescue 🛟

    Sure.
    https://yoursunny.com/p/summer-host/storage/

    Thanked by 2host_c suyadi92
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    :D :D :D

  • servers_guruservers_guru Member, Patron Provider

    Got a new node with proxmox 9.

    So far so good, it just doesn't play very well in a cluster with proxmox 8.

    Proxmox 8 nodes cannot see the status of the server and ram / cpu usage don't show in the overview. Other than that it is accessible as normal.

    From the proxmox 9 node perspectives, vm on other node donc show cpu / ram usage in the "search" interface.

    Other than that, everything works great.

  • aj_potcaj_potc Member

    @NetPIMP said:

    @TimboJones said:
    You won't convince me.

    Plenty of others have had different experiences.

    Has enough time passed to state this with any certainty? Most users will not be far along in their testing process considering the OS was released two days ago.

    It's great that things have gone well for you. It just feels like Proxmox is in a rush for no good reason. With Broadcom trying to kill VMWare, it's the perfect opportunity for Proxmox to target those customers. Rushing to certify their software on an unreleased OS isn't the way to win over enterprises. I don't see other vendors doing it.

    Hopefully I'm wrong, but it really does feel like the Proxmox devs did a few days of testing, said "looks good," and hurried out the door to take off the rest of the month.

    Thanked by 1TimboJones
  • NetPIMPNetPIMP Member

    @aj_potc said:
    Has enough time passed to state this with any certainty?

    I don't know. Lots of users, lots of use cases.

    Most users will not be far along in their testing process considering the OS was released two days ...

    Lots of users, lots of testing processes. Some better than others, some more intensive, some less intensive than others.

    It's great that things have gone well for you.

    Thanks.

    It just feels like Proxmox is in a rush for no good reason.

    Your feeling is valid.

    With Broadcom trying to kill VMWare, it's the perfect opportunity for Proxmox to target those customers. Rushing to certify their software on an unreleased OS isn't the way to win over enterprises. I don't see other vendors doing it.

    OK.

    Hopefully I'm wrong, but it really does feel like the Proxmox devs did a few days of testing, said "looks good," and hurried out the door to take off the rest of the month.

    Your feelings are valid.

    Thanked by 1Ouji
  • spuyetspuyet Member, Patron Provider

    @servers_guru said:
    Got a new node with proxmox 9.

    So far so good, it just doesn't play very well in a cluster with proxmox 8.

    Proxmox 8 nodes cannot see the status of the server and ram / cpu usage don't show in the overview. Other than that it is accessible as normal.

    From the proxmox 9 node perspectives, vm on other node donc show cpu / ram usage in the "search" interface.

    Other than that, everything works great.

    Good to know, will migrate one server from my homelab cluster and see what happens :)

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