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The new UK online safety bill - is it a trojan horse againest liberty?

VM6VM6 Member, Patron Provider

Hey everyone,

I wanted to open up a discussion about the UK's new Online Safety Act, which has recently seen further provisions come into force. While the government champions it as a vital step to protect children and combat illegal content online, I'm genuinely concerned about its broader implications for our fundamental liberties, especially when it comes to free speech and privacy.

On the surface, who can argue against protecting children from harm or tackling truly illegal content? However, delve a little deeper, and you start to see clauses and powers that feel unsettlingly broad. There's a lot of talk about platforms being held accountable for "harmful content," and while illegal content is clearly defined, the line for what constitutes "harmful" can feel incredibly subjective. This ambiguity risks incentivizing social media companies to over-censor legitimate, legal speech just to avoid hefty fines – fines that could be up to 10% of their global turnover!

One of the most worrying aspects for me is the potential for increased monitoring of social media posts. We've heard mentions of task forces and systems designed to identify and prevent certain types of user-generated content from even being published, let alone removed. This feels like a huge step towards a surveillance state where our online conversations, even private ones, could be under scrutiny.

The idea that a government-appointed regulator (Ofcom) has such extensive powers to dictate what can and cannot be said online, and to compel platforms to implement measures that could undermine privacy (like scanning encrypted messages, even if the tech isn't fully there yet), is a slippery slope.

Many are arguing that this bill, despite its good intentions, could lead to a "dystopian" environment where freedom of expression is stifled, and where ordinary citizens' ability to voice opinions, even dissenting ones, is curtailed. We've already seen examples of content being blocked or restricted under the new rules that some argue are legitimate and important.

Are we sacrificing essential freedoms in the name of safety? What are your thoughts on this? Do you think the benefits outweigh the risks to our liberty? Is there a better way to achieve online safety without compromising free speech and privacy?

Comments

  • timmmytimmmy Member

    not in the uk so i dont care

  • @timmmy said:
    not in the uk so i dont care

    It has trends to spread to other countries.

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  • VM6VM6 Member, Patron Provider

    @timmmy said:
    not in the uk so i dont care

    Agreed, however 10% of global networks turnover is alot of money and these are not even UK based businesses.

    There is even talks that the UK government making a task force to just monitor posts regarding illegal immigration to shut down debate.

  • jndjnd Member

    I have data esim that routes through the UK and the main effect I saw is that certain discord server asks for age verification when I connect through that esim.

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    In my opinion, this is a very strict law. It is stricter than the law in China. I do not know what MPs were smoking when drafting this law. We also have idiots who want to ban everything for children's sake, and so far we haven't reached such idiocy.

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  • 384_cz384_cz Member

    IMO, UK is not a democracy anymore!

  • 384_cz384_cz Member

    There is even talks that the UK government making a task force to just monitor posts regarding illegal immigration to shut down debate.

    This is the finest example of totality

  • 384_cz384_cz Member

    despite its good intentions

    WHO THE HELL CARES!
    The road to hell is paved by good intentions!

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    IMO pretty much anything and everything the western politsters do boils down to corruption and/or dictatorship.

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  • zedzed Member

    Trojan horse implies that it's intentions aren't obvious heh.

  • jndjnd Member

    @jsg said:
    IMO pretty much anything and everything the western politsters do boils down to corruption and/or dictatorship.

    The eastern dictatorships provided plenty of material for inspiration.

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @jnd said:

    @jsg said:
    IMO pretty much anything and everything the western politsters do boils down to corruption and/or dictatorship.

    The eastern dictatorships provided plenty of material for inspiration.

    Yes - but the anglo-saxons and their vassals (a) didn't need inspiration, and (b) already had plenty experience before Lenin and all the others even were born.

    Btw, in today's Russia even governours and generals get indicted and arrested for (well founded) suspicion of corruption.

  • tsusutsusu Member
    edited August 2025

    There seems to be a recent Western trend towards authoritarianism and erosion of democracy. People are also becoming more outwardly supportive of suppression of freedom of speech and expression. Pendulum had to swing back sometime, I guess.

    At the same time, it's basically politicians admitting they are culturally conservative and not progressive. Sexuality should not be demonized. Nothing that a person does that does not harm themselves nor the people around them should be demonized, period.

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  • Jack_SBEJack_SBE Member, Patron Provider
    edited August 2025

    Unfortunately its probably not as malicious as people think it is.
    Its just another prime example of UK regulators regulating something they don't fully understand (we went through the same debacle with Crypto not so far back).

    Ofcom is an aging department that has only really dealt with TV and Radio regulation in the UK, then a year ago they're sprung with the responsibility of the internet.

    I don't believe their intention was to sensor political views, they're already on the border of loosing the next election so it would be foolish for them to even try something like that. I just don't think much thought was put into the financial incentives of private companies correctly complying rather than over complying to cover their asses (resulting in this "censorship").

    Given time and enough pushback it will self-correct or be reversed by the next gov. In the meantime just get a vpn, hell put one of those many idlers to good use..

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