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Probably due to bigger companies that give deals having a large amount of IPs they own. If they own IPs from a decade or two ago it's going great for them. But also leasing IPs is not that expensive, so companies just take much less profit giving marketing deals. Or they deadpool after 6-12 months.
Companies have their own part of the share and they are leasing them at cheap prices now.
IPv6 was a distraction
Ipv7 is the underground market
@yoursunny already selling IPV9 so don't worry
We use ed25519 key for routing
it still is an issue, it's just that hosting companies lease a /24 for $US120/month or so and pass the cost on to you - yes, $US0.5/month of your bill is just paying some other guy who happened to get ipv4 addresses when they were free and easy to get.
Blame LARUS, they stole around a /10 of IPv4 from AFRINIC
context? whos LARUS?
Tons of ipv4 assigned for .edu. Wasted.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/03/nrs_afrinic_review/
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/09/icann_afrinic_election_concerns/
the LARUS guy is now threatening to sue/suing people reporting about it.
IPv4 is free?
Where to get free IPv4
You provide free IPv4? any deals?
Yeah, 127.0.0.0/8 in stock
It was:
In the early days of the internet, organizations could request and receive IPv4 addresses from regional internet registries without any cost.
Great, I buy your entire stock!
I am running out of IP's on my 10.0.0.0/8 range.
I wish ipv6 just worked with my ISP. But no, I can't buy ipv6 only VPS because I can't ssh into them, goddamit.
Does Tunnelbroker not work for you?
Never heard of it before. I suppose it's a software to enable ipv6-over-ipv4?
The homepage of https://tunnelbroker.net/ isn't exactly clear about what it is, besides some kind of tunneling tech
Hi,
actually all major companies raised the prices for ipv4 in the past years. Even companies like Amazon where you are paying a sh*** load of money did that.
I dont know what pricing you exactly you refer to with "very good prices" that comes with IPv4, but in general, as a provider you:
Reasons to make extra nice pricings usually boil down to situations where you have no other way to sell your product. You will make it super cheap, at least for a limited amount of offers so people would just buy something from you.
... better you make a little loss or hopefully a black 0 compared to a bigger loss. These are the hosters who put hope into the future. Some survive this way for some time, some others do not.
There was some joking about 10.0.0.0/8 and 127.0.0.0./8 but actually there is a very serious aspect.
A private /8 range for very large organisations - OK, reasonable.
But also a private /12 range for (still very large) organisations - NOT reasonable, understandable in theory yes, but not reasonable.
Yet another private /16 range and still quite large? - NOT reasonable, hardly understandable in theory yes, but not reasonable.
Plus, of bloody course, why not? a basically private /10 range for carrier-grade NAT - somewhat reasonable.
Plus, yet another basically private /16 range for the rather weird zero-configuration networking purpose - not even remotely reasonable, other than in some weirdo bureaucrats heads.
Plus the famous hundreds of millions if IP4 for the US military - which I mention because that as well as insane allocations for universities, colleges and even high schools clearly and shockingly demonstrate both the real IP4 problem and the abstruse reasons behind it. Plus of bloody course the "exceptionalism" monstrosity, basically following the line "at least a /28 for every farmer and, oh well, whatever crumbs remain for the 'rest of the world' ("ROW")".
To some degree at least the private ranges are understandable, as in "one may be able to find some albeit really weird logic in their thinking", but of course all but two of theese, seen from today's perspective, are utterly insane and untenable.
10.0.0.0/8 is bloody enough, even Google can't reasonably claim to need more than about 16 mio IPs. But, and important, that range is good enough for anybody and everybody. There simply is no need for the other two well known private ranges. And there certainly is no need for a private /8 for 'localhost'. One, one single IP, 127.0.0.1 does the trick, but hey, let's be generous and waste a whole /24 on that for cases like "but, but, but I have 200 ethernet ports in my server!".
The other IMO justifiable range is the carrier-grade NAT /10, justifiable because IF that were enforced it could free up quite many abused ranges, so, to put it like that, that /10 could pay for itself.
There is absolutely no reason for an IP4 shortage, at least there could be enough IP4 available if IP4 addresses were halfway fairly and evenly distributed. And even today we could, basically with a finger snip create millions and millions of routable IP4s - if there really was the will and readiness to solve the problem.
You should use cloudflared/tailscale anyway. You don't even need ipv6. The minimum is NAT (works even without port forwarding). I prefer ipv6/NAT only if the option saves me some money.
Open a email in gmail, click the "show original". check the first Received header.
I've been using tunnelbroker.net for ipv6 connectivity since .. oh our anniversary is coming up 7/31/2008. Holy shit 17 years. And I've never given them a dime, I feel so bad.
Man "a finger snip", really.
Man, you are really stubborn. You don't even look into why and how shit is used before declaring it unnecessary, but at the same time whining about something invented and shared out of the R&D of the USA is something you're entitled to? GTFO. Weird Russian entitlement. You're always free to use the russian internet they invented.
There's no need to spend $$$ freeing up IPV4 subnets. The replacement is already here, it's the future and switching to the new version is just common sense.
How many large networks have you engineered? How many ISP's did you work for?
Do you know how expensive and time-consuming re-addressing networks to expand? To change to another network subnet?
What happens if your private subnet just happened to be the same as a VPN you want to connect to?
How much memory is needed to support technologies like bit torrent with thousands of NAT clients opening connections on small, embedded hardware?
How do you assign IPs in all these private networks and prevent conflicts?
Will you also mandate everyone modifies their OS defaults so as not to overwhelm the NAT router with open connections?
How do you have control of your incoming ports if someone else manages the router?
Why should people fuck with STUN servers instead of direct connections?
How many networking devices have you sold and had to think of the out of box experience the technical or non-technical user would experience?
How would you like to be forever tracked and limited to a single or few IP's? Don't give a shit about privacy?
What happens when a DHCP server goes offline and the client leases expire? And then the server comes back? Or a device was rebooting while another device got assigned the same IP because the router thought the IP was available?
Why not fix like a dozen problems instead of a dozen fucking shitty workarounds?
If you haven't ran into private IPV4 overlap issues a few times, you're probably not a "power user" and just do basic shit without knowing what everyone else is up to.
If you really want to make your argument, you need more IPv4/6 education so you can explain why your statement makes any sense instead of seriously deficient on knowledge. You don't know what you don't know, and this has been going on for YEARS and you still can't fucking educate yourself. SMH
There's no bureaucrats coming up with engineering problems, they are the Titans of industry who form working groups, do some research and then make RFC's to define how shit should work. Because they have the knowledge and experience and know what the actual fuck they're talking about.
FYI, the US military has spent BILLIONS on getting IPv6 accepted, subsidizing many, many networking companies to build the tools and hardware. Perhaps if IPv6 uptake happened as they thought 25+ years ago, maybe they could have released a bunch of IPV4 by now.
Anyway, if you can demonstrate that you actually research IPV4/6 and understand the issues, I will forever stop responding to your misinformed IPv4 NAT rants.
That's because you're giving them all your extra info for free.
Hehe
IPv4 is like diamond.
Colour me totally surprised! TimboJones who always attacks me and calls me utterly clueless, is doing it again? Who'd have seen this coming?
So, they did miscalculate, those "giants", and spent BILLIONS on basically a failure? Wow.
Nuh, I'm actually amused by your "lectures".
CGNAT is synthetic diamond then?