LowEndTalk's 15th Birthday Is This Saturday! Who's Doing a Special Offer?

x1arch · July 2025

Need mooooooaaaaaaaar 3tb for $15 @host_c

woinokiz · July 2025

Kindly don't post good deals when I am sleeping 🥱

MMMMMM · July 2025

@AlteredParadox said:
... moar deals?

$7/y deals unmetered BW just dropped

x1arch · July 2025

@AlteredParadox said:
I require entertainment while waiting for @host_c to gloriously consolidate vms.

Looks like you already got 3tb for 15 and I feel you got moar than one.

default · July 2025

@MMMMMM said:

@default said:

No. You got it all wrong. Throw away the money. Spend them. The money is issued without any cover by states as we head into uncharted economic scenarios like we never experienced in history. Everything will collapse and nobody knows when. Money is the worst thing to have nowadays. I know it sounds weird, but you need to lose the money.

Please throw me your money away to me.

Sure. Any VPS offers?

default · July 2025

@raindog308 said:

@default said: No. You got it all wrong. Throw away the money. Spend them. The money is issued without any cover by states as we head into uncharted economic scenarios like we never experienced in history. Everything will collapse and nobody knows when. Money is the worst thing to have nowadays. I know it sounds weird, but you need to lose the money.

OK, gen alpha.

Thank you for the compliment. I never thought of myself as that young. You made me smile on this cloudy day.

avsisp · July 2025

@VlP said:

@avsisp said:
Okay - just got to a cafe where these offers will begin ...

Who's ready to snipe?

As @FAT32 mentioned earlier - this will be the July 4th offers - they will include a v4 and 500GB extra of HDD space in addition to what is included in the order. There will be a limit of 2 on each. (FAT32 said 3 - not sure if he meant total or each - so going middle ground to be fair)

The thread incase anyone doesn't know where to order: https://lowendbox.com/blog/this-weekend-only-cheap-vps-offers-in-tirana-albania-starting-at-a-dollar-a-month-on-annual-happy-fourth-of-july-from-avs-isp/

Tell me when you're ready for them to be activated?

After a whole-day work finally I got the limited albania VPS provisioned!
bench + GB6 result:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 CPU Model          : QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+
 CPU Cores          : 2 @ 2932.498 MHz
 CPU Cache          : 16384 KB
 AES-NI             : ✓ Enabled
 VM-x/AMD-V         : ✗ Disabled
 Total Disk         : 574.6 GB (1.7 GB Used)
 Total Mem          : 960.4 MB (234.4 MB Used)
 Total Swap         : 4.0 GB (0 Used)
 System uptime      : 0 days, 0 hour 39 min
 Load average       : 1.66, 0.57, 0.20
 OS                 : Debian GNU/Linux 12
 Arch               : x86_64 (64 Bit)
 Kernel             : 6.1.0-37-amd64
 TCP CC             : bbr
 Virtualization     : KVM
 IPv4/IPv6          : ✓ Online / ✓ Online
 Organization       : AS23507 AV SERVICES LLC
 Location           : Farka e Madhe / AL
 Region             : Tirana
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 I/O Speed(1st run) : 477 MB/s
 I/O Speed(2nd run) : 806 MB/s
 I/O Speed(3rd run) : 710 MB/s
 I/O Speed(average) : 664.3 MB/s
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Node Name        Upload Speed      Download Speed      Latency     
 Speedtest.net    89.75 Mbps        100.02 Mbps         17.58 ms    
 Paris, FR        102.41 Mbps       98.42 Mbps          37.98 ms    
 Amsterdam, NL    102.97 Mbps       99.62 Mbps          42.01 ms    
 Hong Kong, CN    104.94 Mbps       103.62 Mbps         179.56 ms   
 Singapore, SG    9.66 Mbps         97.07 Mbps          295.63 ms   
 Tokyo, JP        31.14 Mbps        98.72 Mbps          276.96 ms   
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
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Test            | Value                         
                |                               
Single Core     | 370                           
Multi Core      | 406                           
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/12886507

YABS completed in 30 min 9 sec

This isn't the first yabs I've seen like this so I'm now extremely curious of 2 things:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.
2) Why does the GB6 score take forever and show so low when GB4 and others score extremely high and run fast? Is GB6 testing for GPU and so on that simply doesn't exist in this environment? Is there a way to improve that through settings or something to just ignore since it doesn't effect real world performance, just benchmarks posted here people keep using 6 instead of 4.

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AlteredParadox · July 2025

@x1arch said:

@AlteredParadox said:
I require entertainment while waiting for @host_c to gloriously consolidate vms.

Looks like you already got 3tb for 15 and I feel you got moar than one.

lukast__ · July 2025

@avsisp said: Why does the GB6 score take forever and show so low when GB4 and others score extremely high and run fast

GB6 needs around 2 GB RAM, and if there's less RAM than that and there's swap, it will use the swap and therefore be lower and take longer. If there's less RAM and no swap it will simply fail. Also GB6 multi-core scores don't really scale past 4/6 cores.

GB4/5/6 scores are in any case not directly comparable, usually the GB4 score is significantly higher than the GB6 score which usually is a little bit higher than the GB5 score.

@avsisp said: just benchmarks posted here people keep using 6 instead of 4.

Newer GB versions usually support/use newer CPU flags/features and therefore can be more meaningful depending on if the intended workload can/does use those features.

FAT32 · July 2025

@lukast__ said: GB6 needs around 2 GB RAM, and if there's less RAM than that and there's swap, it'll use the swap and therefore be lower and take longer. If there's less RAM and no swap it'll simply failed. Also GB6 multi-core scores don't really scale past 4/6 cores.

Solution:

onewater · July 2025

Any new deals by other supplier for LET birthday?

HostDZire · July 2025

@FAT32 said:

@lukast__ said: GB6 needs around 2 GB RAM, and if there's less RAM than that and there's swap, it'll use the swap and therefore be lower and take longer. If there's less RAM and no swap it'll simply failed. Also GB6 multi-core scores don't really scale past 4/6 cores.

Solution:

Actually, we had given 2GB RAM in our $12 Vps from india
But now its out of stock

FAT32 · July 2025

Neoon · July 2025

@HostDZire said:

@FAT32 said:

@lukast__ said: GB6 needs around 2 GB RAM, and if there's less RAM than that and there's swap, it'll use the swap and therefore be lower and take longer. If there's less RAM and no swap it'll simply failed. Also GB6 multi-core scores don't really scale past 4/6 cores.

Solution:

Actually, we had given 2GB RAM in our $12 Vps from india
But now its out of stock

Its hard idling.

15:52:13 up 11 days, 7:55, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00

FAT32 · July 2025

Reddit is down so I am bored

MMMMMM · July 2025

@FAT32 said:
Reddit is down so I am bored

Yeah, can't load posts

avsisp · July 2025

@lukast__ said:

@avsisp said: Why does the GB6 score take forever and show so low when GB4 and others score extremely high and run fast

GB6 needs around 2 GB RAM, and if there's less RAM than that and there's swap, it will use the swap and therefore be lower and take longer. If there's less RAM and no swap it will simply fail. Also GB6 multi-core scores don't really scale past 4/6 cores.

GB4/5/6 scores are in any case not directly comparable, usually the GB4 score is significantly higher than the GB6 score which usually is a little bit higher than the GB5 score.

@avsisp said: just benchmarks posted here people keep using 6 instead of 4.

Newer GB versions usually support/use newer CPU flags/features and therefore can be more meaningful depending on if the intended workload can/does use those features.

99.9% of newer CPU flags are only used in 1 of 2 cases:
1) Windows OS like 11 or Server 2025
2) AI workloads

So for 99.99% of those normal users, seems GB6 is meaningless entirely and GB4 is the actual score of expected use when they're 99.99% of the time running proxies, seedbox, website, mysql, mail, or VPN from it and not using any of that at all. Meaning GB6 pretty much should be only for Desktop windows machines to test.

Also - thank you for that excellent explanation. Seems to make sense why it would be like that. Last year's CPU is this year's shamed by GB6 but in real life loads outperforms these crap E-Core processors every day lol 😂

Anyone can chime in on other part of question about the VT-x if anyone knows? Thanks everyone 🙏 you're all awesome. I appreciate all the support and help here with things like this.

JohnnySac · July 2025

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

Neoon · July 2025

@FAT32 said:

Yes, however, we had some really, really nice, 1€ virtual servers, its a shame they where 12 months only but still a steal.

FAT32 · July 2025

@Neoon said: Yes, however, we had some really, really nice, 1€ virtual servers, its a shame they where 12 months only but still a steal.

Annually... right? Or was that some premium networks

x1arch · July 2025

@AlteredParadox said:

@x1arch said:

@AlteredParadox said:
I require entertainment while waiting for @host_c to gloriously consolidate vms.

Looks like you already got 3tb for 15 and I feel you got moar than one.

Or sell it

avsisp · July 2025

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Neoon · July 2025

@FAT32 said:

@Neoon said: Yes, however, we had some really, really nice, 1€ virtual servers, its a shame they where 12 months only but still a steal.

Annually... right? Or was that some premium networks

Monthly, actually.
IONOS 1€ benchmark wise, EPYC something, about 2k GB6.

They had a bunch of locations, Including India, Singapore, Europe....

plumberg · July 2025

@avsisp said:

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Genuinely curious how a guest would take control with pass-through enabled?

avsisp · July 2025

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Genuinely curious how a guest would take control with pass-through enabled?

There have been previous CVEs where because 2 processes share same core and it isn't virtualized they can control eachother processes and if a process happens to be a host one they can grab it and execute malicious code arbitrarily.

plumberg · July 2025

@avsisp said:

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Genuinely curious how a guest would take control with pass-through enabled?

There have been previous CVEs where because 2 processes share same core and it isn't virtualized they can control eachother processes and if a process happens to be a host one they can grab it and execute malicious code arbitrarily.

Thanks
How does not enabling pass through prevent this?

avsisp · July 2025

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Genuinely curious how a guest would take control with pass-through enabled?

There have been previous CVEs where because 2 processes share same core and it isn't virtualized they can control eachother processes and if a process happens to be a host one they can grab it and execute malicious code arbitrarily.

Thanks
How does not enabling pass through prevent this?

Simply setting the CPU to anything except for Host normally will create a virtualized processor and driver that cannot talk directly to host CPU and process feeds without going through the hypervisor's virtualization stack.

JohnnySac · July 2025

@avsisp said:

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Genuinely curious how a guest would take control with pass-through enabled?

There have been previous CVEs where because 2 processes share same core and it isn't virtualized they can control eachother processes and if a process happens to be a host one they can grab it and execute malicious code arbitrarily.

Thanks
How does not enabling pass through prevent this?

Simply setting the CPU to anything except for Host normally will create a virtualized processor and driver that cannot talk directly to host CPU and process feeds without going through the hypervisor's virtualization stack.

KVM with host-passthrough still provides hardware-based isolation using VT-x/AMD-V. It’s not the same attack surface or containment model as a container, which shares the host kernel directly.

And while I understand opting out for safety, there’s also a real performance and feature tradeoff, especially for workloads needing AVX, AES, or nested KVM.

plumberg · July 2025

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@plumberg said:

@avsisp said:

@JohnnySac said:

@avsisp said:
1) How to enable VM-x without setting CPU to Host? Do other virtualized processors allow this? Reason I ask is there have been past CVEs including some that happened on VirtualBox that relied on the CPU set to host allowing escape to host OS and management of host processes/memory tables. So I'd high advise hosts and I definitely myself won't set it to host unless it's my own VM that's trusted.

FYI Most users on LET prefer CPU host passthrough and most providers do enable it.

If a host does that's their business and when they get these people that escape the VM and takeover the whole host or steal user data, that's on them. I won't be one to do so - as it is a very big security risk and makes no sense. Might as well just give them an LXC container at that point - about the same security level then.

Genuinely curious how a guest would take control with pass-through enabled?

There have been previous CVEs where because 2 processes share same core and it isn't virtualized they can control eachother processes and if a process happens to be a host one they can grab it and execute malicious code arbitrarily.

Thanks
How does not enabling pass through prevent this?

Simply setting the CPU to anything except for Host normally will create a virtualized processor and driver that cannot talk directly to host CPU and process feeds without going through the hypervisor's virtualization stack.

KVM with host-passthrough still provides hardware-based isolation using VT-x/AMD-V. It’s not the same attack surface or containment model as a container, which shares the host kernel directly.

And while I understand opting out for safety, there’s also a real performance and feature tradeoff, especially for workloads needing AVX, AES, or nested KVM.

Could these features be enabled without pass-through? So workloads could still take advantage of the native flags?

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