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Angstrom's "Warning"

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  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @Verasel said:
    I tagged all of you in a PM.

    I don’t know my support account email. I don’t know the password. I would have used the portal if I had the access or could recover it. I don’t remember what I used. That’s it. Literally. I wasn’t being a diva, I did what was available. Tag all of you.

    Instead of responding in a normal tone, you responded like a high school thug telling the nerd to go suck it, essentially. Customer service worse than Taco Bell, literally.

    You don't need an account to submit a ticket.

    https://services.lowendtalk.com/submitticket.php?step=2&deptid=2

    Thanked by 1RapToN
  • Dark UI Pattern 101… I am supposed to know this how? I was asked to register for an account, I did, and I paid. This was after I spoke to Jon, I think.

    Was I also supposed to know that you don’t need an account to submit a ticket?

    I am sorry, but this is turning into one of those situations where RTFM applies.. because in no way would I be able to know these things if I didn’t interact with them before, and you assumed that I had.

    Thing is, I hadn’t.

    Regardless, after your cockiness, it doesn’t matter.

    Even with the “Manual”, it changes nothing.

    You’re an Administrator. It is a trusted and core position. Value it, don’t make assumptions, and think the worst.

    This is good advice for everything in life.. do not make assumptions, think the worst, or be a dick.

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @Verasel said:
    Dark UI Pattern 101… I am supposed to know this how? I was asked to register for an account, I did, and I paid. This was after I spoke to Jon, I think.

    Was I also supposed to know that you don’t need an account to submit a ticket?

    I am sorry, but this is turning into one of those situations where RTFM applies.. because in no way would I be able to know these things if I didn’t interact with them before, and you assumed that I had.

    Thing is, I hadn’t.

    Regardless, after your cockiness, it doesn’t matter.

    Even with the “Manual”, it changes nothing.

    You’re an Administrator. It is a trusted and core position. Value it, don’t make assumptions, and think the worst.

    This is good advice for everything in life.. do not make assumptions, think the worst, or be a dick.

    I'm not sure what issue you're running into, as I just tested submitting a ticket without an account and it worked as expected.

  • @DP said: I'm not sure what issue you're running into, as I just tested submitting a ticket without an account and it worked as expected.

    You didn't even read what I wrote.
    1) I conversed via email about joining LET and buying a Patron Provider tag
    2) Jon told me to make an account and pay.
    4) I never kept those details, or, if I had, they were on the Macbook's Firefox which was never synced with Windows.
    5) How was I supposed to know you can submit tickets as a gest, when I have never done so?

    I am really not trying to be difficult, but this is a situation where you do need a manual, because you see a login button, and if you were told before to make an account.. you will do the same thing I did. Try to login, not rememmber the password, and send the PM instead.

    So, once again, how was I to know that you can submit it as a guest? I may have used the Internet since I was a child, but I can't know every single thing out there.

    How many tickets do I submit? How about... literally, like... one or two in a month to the same company? and as it happens, I am logged in...

  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! Verasel and LET have mutually agreed to Complete and Total CEASEFIRE (in approximately 6 hours from now, when both parties have concluded their ongoing final shifts!), lasting for 12 hours, at which point the crashout will be deemed ENDED! Officially, Verasel will initiate the CEASEFIRE, and after the 12th hour, LET will follow suit, culminating in an official END to THE 12 DAY CRASHOUT, recognized sitewide. During each CEASEFIRE, both sides remain PEACEFUL and RESPECTFUL. Assuming everything proceeds as planned, which it will, I extend my congratulations to both parties, Verasel and LET, for demonstrating the stamina, courage, and intelligence to conclude what should be referred to as 'THE 12 DAY CRASHOUT.' This conflict could have persisted for weeks, potentially devastating the entire shitposting industry, but it has not and will not. God bless Verasel, God bless LET, God bless the United States of America, God bless Corporate, and GOD BLESS THE HOSTING INDUSTRY!

  • @beanman109 shitposting and Kekistan are to be worshipped. God Bless Kekistan.

    Thanked by 1Saragoldfarb
  • xaocxaoc Member

    @beanman109 said:
    CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! Verasel and LET have mutually agreed to Complete and Total CEASEFIRE (in approximately 6 hours from now, when both parties have concluded their ongoing final shifts!), lasting for 12 hours, at which point the crashout will be deemed ENDED! Officially, Verasel will initiate the CEASEFIRE, and after the 12th hour, LET will follow suit, culminating in an official END to THE 12 DAY CRASHOUT, recognized sitewide. During each CEASEFIRE, both sides remain PEACEFUL and RESPECTFUL. Assuming everything proceeds as planned, which it will, I extend my congratulations to both parties, Verasel and LET, for demonstrating the stamina, courage, and intelligence to conclude what should be referred to as 'THE 12 DAY CRASHOUT.' This conflict could have persisted for weeks, potentially devastating the entire shitposting industry, but it has not and will not. God bless Verasel, God bless LET, God bless the United States of America, God bless Corporate, and GOD BLESS THE HOSTING INDUSTRY!

    Donald where's your trousers?

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @Verasel are you good? Your telegram are not working for 2 days

    Thanked by 1Verasel
  • zedzed Member

    Well I see this is ramping up again, well done.

    It's not you, it's me.

  • @HostSlick said:
    @Verasel are you good? Your telegram are not working for 2 days

    Too much spam on Telegram, hah.

    And, as we can see, zero fucks were given that day from the Staff. :smile:

  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    hopefully it all gets worked out.

    Thanked by 1nekomikoreimu
  • BallinwrldBallinwrld Barred
    edited July 2025

    edit: I'm shocked about his way of thinking. I commented on the wrong person.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited July 2025

    @Verasel said:
    [your long response to @TimboJones and a few others]

    WOW. One thing certainly is clear: you can't be accused of not trying really hard to be understood.

    A propos "understanding": Mine (possibly wrong) is that you are a man who has reached a point where he can afford to feel and say "I have enough and then some (e.g. reserves). So why should I go the standard route? Nope, I won't bend over and forget my ideals just to make more money. I still do have ideals and a heart, so how could I act like the 'normal' businessman, striving to and focusing all my thoughts and actions on making even more money, how could I ignore that many can't afford even a decent VPS or, worse, a visit to the doctor or a good education for their children? Nope, I'll continue my own route, I'll continue to use some of the money I don't need to make the world a tiny bit better".

    And btw, I'm not saying that because now I'm getting a free server, the major part of which, following your example, I'll give away in the form of free VDS - yes VDS, because VDS are what many think VPS are and actually should be. I'm saying it because I like you and because I highly value the fact, that there still are some humans like you who don't tick in "me! me! me!" and "more! more! more!" only.

    But of course many don't like when one doesn't follow standard patterns. For them a business serves only one purpose, to make as much profit as possible and businessmen spend their money on themselves, things like luxury cars or yachts - and not on others! So "throwing about" free domains and servers without creating a clearly recognizable revenue stream just make you look crazy and probably suspect in their eyes.
    I personally feel pity for those people - but I can understand them, their limited thinking within the model of what's "normal".

    That said and again a propos "understanding": I think that you are too harsh towards @DP. You see, I think he simply and pragmatically wants rules to be obeyed, not because he's a bureaucratic guy (I don't think he is) but because with 1000s of users here and probably dozens of PMs every day the admins here just can't "prepare a thousand different meals", they have to tick in terms of a cantine as opposed to a restaurant (and even there the variety is quite limited).
    THAT is why (I think) he insists to always use the standard ways laid out in the rules. Otherwise the admins here probably would drown.

    Regarding the free server: thank you again so much Verasel! You made not only me happy but I'll make sure that a few others here also will be happy thanks to your generosity. I'll very soon send you a DM <3

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @nohavps said:
    Well, I think @angstrom always ignores us when we send a question or inquiry, and he doesn't respond in a positive or negative way. Despite being a moderator, I think it's a bit difficult for him to write since he just ignores messages!

    I don't want to get into this post; I'm just sharing my experience as a moderator; he never responds to any of our messages!

    FWIW: that doesn't match my experience with @angstrom at all. Granted, I don't PM him often, a couple of times per year I guess, so my data basis is tiny. But when I do contact him, say because I need a thread title slightly changed (like adding "[Updated]") I always experienced him as very helpful, friendly and usually even reacting quickly.

    Also @DP (I think it was him) is right, the admins and mods here (with only one single exception AFAIK) do for free what they do, which also makes it very likely that they have good intentions and want to be helpful.

  • lots of mismanaged expectations here.

    someone's paying $200
    a bunch of peeps not getting paid

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @Verasel said: I would still, like I stated before, Just like all of my threads restored, and given permission for 1x giveaway. It's surely not a lot to ask for, nor does it require hours upon hours for a response, either.

    @Verasel , for the historical record and for historical accuracy, based on my extensive and laborious research, you've started four giveaway threads so far:

    • 08 December 2024: "Sponsoring Adult, Warez, DDL, Forums, Blogs, Tubes, etc." | This giveaway thread was removed because you hadn't obtained permission for it. You started this thread 5 hours 33 minutes after registering on the forum. (I didn't remove this thread, and nor did you receive a warning for it)
    • 17 March 2025: "The Simple Domain Giveaway Contest" ( https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/203583/the-simple-domain-giveaway-contest ) | This giveaway thread was never removed despite the fact that I don't find a ticket asking permission for it, but perhaps a mod or an admin informally gave you permission to post this giveaway. (You didn't receive a warning for this thread)
    • 05 July 2025: "Test a true 10GB/s Unmetered Server in the Netherlands for 1 Month! (LIMITED OFFER)" ( https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/207258/test-a-true-10gb-s-unmetered-server-in-the-netherlands-for-1-month-limited-offer/p1 ) | Similarly to the giveaway thread of 17 March, this giveaway thread was never removed despite the fact that I don't find a ticket asking permission for it, but perhaps a mod or an admin informally gave you permission to post this giveaway. (You also didn't receive a warning for this thread)
    • 09 July 2025: "10x - .RU and .SU Giveaway" | I removed this giveaway thread after three users flagged it, drawing my attention to it. In addition, as far as I could tell, you hadn't submitted a ticket asking permission for this thread. I issued you a mild warning for having started this giveaway without obtaining permission for it

    In sum, when you say that you want "all of your threads restored", we're talking about two threads, from 08 December and from 09 July. Of these, the thread from 08 December is now ancient history. The thread from 09 July was justifiably removed (by me), and as a result, I'm afraid that I can't fairly or reasonably restore it

    Like any user, you're free to open a ticket asking for permission to post a giveaway, as the rule https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/137719/lowendtalk-community-rules/p1#giveaways says. Beyond this, I'm afraid that we're not able to give you a "free pass" to post giveaways (sorry)

  • RubbenRubben Member

    @angstrom said:

    @Verasel said: I would still, like I stated before, Just like all of my threads restored, and given permission for 1x giveaway. It's surely not a lot to ask for, nor does it require hours upon hours for a response, either.

    @Verasel , for the historical record and for historical accuracy, based on my extensive and laborious research, you've started four giveaway threads so far:

    • 08 December 2024: "Sponsoring Adult, Warez, DDL, Forums, Blogs, Tubes, etc." | This giveaway thread was removed because you hadn't obtained permission for it. You started this thread 5 hours 33 minutes after registering on the forum. (I didn't remove this thread, and nor did you receive a warning for it)
    • 17 March 2025: "The Simple Domain Giveaway Contest" ( https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/203583/the-simple-domain-giveaway-contest ) | This giveaway thread was never removed despite the fact that I don't find a ticket asking permission for it, but perhaps a mod or an admin informally gave you permission to post this giveaway. (You didn't receive a warning for this thread)
    • 05 July 2025: "Test a true 10GB/s Unmetered Server in the Netherlands for 1 Month! (LIMITED OFFER)" ( https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/207258/test-a-true-10gb-s-unmetered-server-in-the-netherlands-for-1-month-limited-offer/p1 ) | Similarly to the giveaway thread of 17 March, this giveaway thread was never removed despite the fact that I don't find a ticket asking permission for it, but perhaps a mod or an admin informally gave you permission to post this giveaway. (You also didn't receive a warning for this thread)
    • 09 July 2025: "10x - .RU and .SU Giveaway" | I removed this giveaway thread after three users flagged it, drawing my attention to it. In addition, as far as I could tell, you hadn't submitted a ticket asking permission for this thread. I issued you a mild warning for having started this giveaway without obtaining permission for it

    In sum, when you say that you want "all of your threads restored", we're talking about two threads, from 08 December and from 09 July. Of these, the thread from 08 December is now ancient history. The thread from 09 July was justifiably removed (by me), and as a result, I'm afraid that I can't fairly or reasonably restore it

    Like any user, you're free to open a ticket asking for permission to post a giveaway, as the rule https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/137719/lowendtalk-community-rules/p1#giveaways says. Beyond this, I'm afraid that we're not able to give you a "free pass" to post giveaways (sorry)

    You just don't get it.

    This isn't only about you, he could have complained about literally anyone else. This entire thread is just about him throwing a fit because he didn't get special treatment and a free pass because of the giveaways he does that nobody asked him to do in the first place. Most importantly, you should not have removed the posts because you, as a moderator, can only enforce rules in a way that aligns with how Verasel feels like interpreting them. I don't think you can or you even should try to reasonably argue with that. That is not to say that Verasel doesn't have good intentions or doesn't want to give something to the community, however, this entire thread speaks volumes.

    You all know this diva (me) loooves a good drama. :sunglasses: But at this point why are we still beating a dead horse after 12 pages? This thread should have been closed a long time ago.

  • x0x0xx0x0x Member

    TWC ;)

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @Rubben said: You just don't get it.

    @Rubben , you may be right, but I guess that I believe in education and in trying to educate people even if it often seems like a losing battle :/

    Thanked by 3oloke M66B dsbnoob
  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    "The Weather Channel"? "Texas Water Commission"? "Tylenol With Codeine"? "The Wesleyan Church"?

  • zedzed Member

    @Rubben said: You all know this diva (me) loooves a good drama. :sunglasses: But at this point why are we still beating a dead horse after 12 pages? This thread should have been closed a long time ago.

    What?! Read back up top of this page and bottom of the previous where he's winding himself up to cuss out @DP too, this is so not played out.

    Let it be, fucking traitor.

    Thanked by 1dsbnoob
  • hsrhsr Member

    Well this was a long and interesting read 🤣

  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    It's been 12 pages, and my brief skimming shows that he would like an exemption from the rules and isn't pleased that he didn't get one? Is that the right tldr on this?

    Thanked by 1Rubben
  • I vote for verasel having an exemption from the rules. :)
    He is a one of a kind.
    And y'll chill, too much steam for nothing. Dont corner this guy just because he can afford to give things free. Dont hate, focus on how you could do like him.
    Let him focus on more giveaways/free-stuff/discounts/etc for the community.

    Thanked by 1Saragoldfarb
  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad
  • timmmytimmmy Member

    @NeedDeal said:
    I vote for verasel having an exemption from the rules. :)
    He is a one of a kind.
    And y'll chill, too much steam for nothing. Dont corner this guy just because he can afford to give things free. Dont hate, focus on how you could do like him.
    Let him focus on more giveaways/free-stuff/discounts/etc for the community.

    not even a month old account... what made you think your vote would matter?

    Thanked by 2ServerBachelor Marx
  • Obviously my view/vote wont matter, thats why i've written it like i vote regardless of result.:)

  • I vote someone makes up their damn mind, and either makes an exemption or not, states clearly what the decision is, and closes the damn thread. It's kinda embarrassing admins and mods have let this bickering go so long, not to mention joining into it. Don't know any of the parties involved, don't really care either way.... but why the hell is this still open??

    Thanked by 1Rubben
  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited July 2025

    @Verasel said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Mind not changed. I still don't understand how you can afford to subsidize and show little business sense. Google and Facebook subsidize the shit out of things because the more internet users, the more revenue they earn.

    Despite the long reply, I didn't get the business plan for turning a profit by doing annual giveaways. Verasel (11 pages in and I still don't know your company name) sounds like a vag cream, not that you're building up a big brand name with the giveaways. Racknerd outshines you there for building brand, and they just half the bandwidth and then give it back to you as their advertising hook.

    But I think I misunderstood the giveaway as including 10Gbps unmetered for free, (so not 70k/year in value) but sounds like unmetered gigabit, which is still competitively $30-$50/mo per server on old as hardware.

    I still don't see how this makes business sense which means you're a one man shop with no other partners that is wondering about growing a business using profits and not debt. You're also a hot head, so that in an owner ran business is something to be wary of.

    We are both aware that it is old hardware, and that they are unmetered gigabit ports. People know how many bandwidth intensive sites I host. Bandwidth wise, it's no issue.

    As far as Google, I was speaking of the early days... and namely, Google... not others, just imagine how costly it was to be able to do all that -- for free. A fully functioning search engine, completelyl free. To this day, people struggle.. and it can't be about the knowledge, but, like I said, to this day... people "borrow" SERP's from Google, incl. Bing. Even though it was an expensive project for Microsoft themselves.

    I could name other examples, as well.. where people spent far more on advertising and made absolutely nothing.

    The idea here is that those users will convert into customers, due to the fact that I am providing:

    • 99.9% uptime
    • 1GB/s UNMETERED / UNSHARED (REAL POWER)
    • NO KYC OF ANY KIND
    • No client panels, or abuse from Staff.
    • Immediate refund (full amount, if a paying client)

    It's just good business, at least in my opinion... I am not running a profit, but I am not losing, either...

    It's a shame that you don't like the name Verasel, because the meaning stems from something really important to me, but it is what it is. I personally thought that it could be something that you could grow into a brand, and then shorten it to "Vera", like the bigger companies do with re-branding after acquisitions, etc.

    I don't know how else to convince you that the plan is sound... It's just some old hardware, and gigabit ports. Nothing crazy, really. Yes, it could hurt some companies, badly, but the bigger issue here is whether or not what isn't even a brand yet suffers from people being convinced that it's some sort of a scam, or some idiot...

    Verasel is one person, maybe it hasn't always been, but, as we speak, right now. Verasel consists of one person, with good intentions, and wise ideas... If those 40x servers help LET weed out the hucksters and summerhosts, through our knowledgeable members like @jsg running the tech side of things for them... that's just beauty.

    I can't comment on RackNerd... I don't feel it would be proper to comment on another member's company name.

    I appreciate the response. Make sure you're taking a salary from your business venture, you don't want to be burned out from the work and stress and doing it without profit and just pack it all in one day.

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