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EU's secret projects effects all of our data, and nobody's talking about it. They're ending E2EE.

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  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited July 2025

    @384_cz said:

    CHANGE MY VIEW

    Maybe offtopic, but I wanted to buy quality leaded solder (lead free solder is unreliable) in Norway but I couldn't because of the very good EU, although Norway is not an EU member.

    Norway is not an EU member, but it is part of the European Economic Area. As such, it kind of needs to listen to what other members dictate.

    With regards to the solder, try ordering one from China and pay the import fees. It will take some time to receive it, but you will get it.

    EU is not promoting democracy by any meaning. EU does the exact opposite and still, students are brainwashed to think so. Also, EU destroyed the Web with cookie banners.

    EU changes. The question is why. People usually feel the answer, but there isn't much that citizens can do. When it comes to voting, there are barely any reasonable options - their voice gets tuned down. The game is rigged against the working class due to corruption and greed - like it happened so many times in history. Meanwhile politicians try to control legislation even further, from fear of their own population (at which point democracy is gone).

    As rationales become more and more dry of substance, in the end it takes a small spark to ignite a great fire - like many times in history. Problem is we are now more than 8 billion people consuming the balance of our planet - we need to think bigger than that, precisely because we have so many minds at play - but our leaders are too damn greedy to think bigger than themselves or their group's agendas.

    Sorry again for my rant. It is just that I see things as being quite complex.

    Thanked by 1mandala
  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @default said:

    With regards to the solder, try ordering one from China and pay the import fees. It will take some time to receive it, but you will get it.

    Before ordering, check if such components are allowed in your country's customs and also the level of customs taxes.

  • Hmmm, with this info alone, should we avoid all EU hosting provider alltogether?

  • LeviLevi Member

    @reikuzan said:
    Hmmm, with this info alone, should we avoid all EU hosting provider alltogether?

    Yep, go with mzungu.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited July 2025

    The way I see it, just typical excited hype and nearly no involved party actually is competent.

    • the EU moloch has become a monstrosity and, besides some PR blabla for the clueless masses not only doesn't give a flying fuck about democracy but actually destroys it.
    • the EPRi thing is a typical ngo-like construct and mainly run by lgbtqx666, feminist, pro-migration activists, climate gretas, and of bloody course many ngos, etc.
    • a lot of crypto stuff (libs, apps, code) is not really trustworthy. Why? That would be a really helpful discussion. Don't hold your breath though.
    • OF BLOODY COURSE most governments want the ability to eavesdrop and spy on everyone and everything. And they quite consistently follow a consistent pattern when striving for it, when implementing it (and how), when "selling" it.
    • There ALWAYS is a publicly visible part and a hidden part. Think "war has to be declared by congress" vs. "a spec ops team is sent, does the dirty work and leaves" (and the whole thing is if any possible completely hushed up).

    The best possible outcome all the angry excitement can achieve is a somewhat more democratically digestible front. But the "spec ops" will be done and they will be dirty.

    You want some real security and privacy? Then design and implement the code yourself or, if you are very, very lucky, find someone who is both competent and really trustworthy. And be sure that that code does not get published and widespread, because if it does, some lackeys from gov. security services will crack it. And that's actually not difficult (many algorithms are good and safe - mathematically. But implementation almost always sucks and has weak points).

    And now have fun with "democracy" dances and disappointed citizens (who are light years away from even having an idea of what's really going on and the real purpose of democracy ...)

    Thanked by 2mandala vpShane
  • They are playing dumb.
    They have the capabilities to intercept everything.

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited July 2025

    @NeedDeal said:
    They are playing dumb.
    They have the capabilities to intercept everything.

    Interception is one thing. Decryption is a completely different game entirely.

    It is very important to emphasise that politicians in EU are in great fear of their own populations. This is why they think in such ways - becoming themselves a threat to that democracy which they should serve.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • @default said:

    @NeedDeal said:
    They are playing dumb.
    They have the capabilities to intercept everything.

    Interception is one thing. Decryption is a completely different game entirely.

    It is very important to emphasise that politicians in EU are in great fear of their own populations. This is why they think in such ways - becoming themselves a threat to that democracy which they should serve.

    Truth.

    Thanked by 1default
  • I can only repeat myself again and again... the EU has become the EUdSSR!

    fck the eu!
    love europe!

    Thanked by 2jsg kait
  • @384_cz said:

    CHANGE MY VIEW

    Maybe offtopic, but I wanted to buy quality leaded solder (lead free solder is unreliable) in Norway but I couldn't because of the very good EU, although Norway is not an EU member. EU is not promoting democracy by any meaning. EU does the exact opposite and still, students are brainwashed to think so. Also, EU destroyed the Web with cookie banners.

    Wut? Lay off the leaded solder fumes.

  • @jsg said:
    The way I see it, just typical excited hype and nearly no involved party actually is competent.

    • the EU moloch has become a monstrosity and, besides some PR blabla for the clueless masses not only doesn't give a flying fuck about democracy but actually destroys it.
    • the EPRi thing is a typical ngo-like construct and mainly run by lgbtqx666, feminist, pro-migration activists, climate gretas, and of bloody course many ngos, etc.
    • a lot of crypto stuff (libs, apps, code) is not really trustworthy. Why? That would be a really helpful discussion. Don't hold your breath though.
    • OF BLOODY COURSE most governments want the ability to eavesdrop and spy on everyone and everything. And they quite consistently follow a consistent pattern when striving for it, when implementing it (and how), when "selling" it.
    • There ALWAYS is a publicly visible part and a hidden part. Think "war has to be declared by congress" vs. "a spec ops team is sent, does the dirty work and leaves" (and the whole thing is if any possible completely hushed up).

    The best possible outcome all the angry excitement can achieve is a somewhat more democratically digestible front. But the "spec ops" will be done and they will be dirty.

    You want some real security and privacy? Then design and implement the code yourself or, if you are very, very lucky, find someone who is both competent and really trustworthy. And be sure that that code does not get published and widespread, because if it does, some lackeys from gov. security services will crack it. And that's actually not difficult (many algorithms are good and safe - mathematically. But implementation almost always sucks and has weak points).

    And now have fun with "democracy" dances and disappointed citizens (who are light years away from even having an idea of what's really going on and the real purpose of democracy ...)

    Agreed on the > you want real security and privacy then code and implement it yourself.

    If the code is weak, it's still a wonderful learning experience and gets you a real outlook on digital security and how easy it would be for bad actors to slip in some hidden crazy stuff.

    The compression: xz that was found to be backdoored with SSH effected nearly EVERYTHING computing. Being able to log in to SSH servers or do anything to any device anywhere at any time, remotely
    https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/03/backdoor-found-in-widely-used-linux-utility-breaks-encrypted-ssh-connections/

    Was found by a Microsoft employee investigating why things were loading slowly.

    At least you get it. It may be light years away for others to understand, but it's worth discussing.

    I like your points.

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited July 2025

    @vpShane said:

    @jsg said:
    The way I see it, just typical excited hype and nearly no involved party actually is competent.

    • the EU moloch has become a monstrosity and, besides some PR blabla for the clueless masses not only doesn't give a flying fuck about democracy but actually destroys it.
    • the EPRi thing is a typical ngo-like construct and mainly run by lgbtqx666, feminist, pro-migration activists, climate gretas, and of bloody course many ngos, etc.
    • a lot of crypto stuff (libs, apps, code) is not really trustworthy. Why? That would be a really helpful discussion. Don't hold your breath though.
    • OF BLOODY COURSE most governments want the ability to eavesdrop and spy on everyone and everything. And they quite consistently follow a consistent pattern when striving for it, when implementing it (and how), when "selling" it.
    • There ALWAYS is a publicly visible part and a hidden part. Think "war has to be declared by congress" vs. "a spec ops team is sent, does the dirty work and leaves" (and the whole thing is if any possible completely hushed up).

    The best possible outcome all the angry excitement can achieve is a somewhat more democratically digestible front. But the "spec ops" will be done and they will be dirty.

    You want some real security and privacy? Then design and implement the code yourself or, if you are very, very lucky, find someone who is both competent and really trustworthy. And be sure that that code does not get published and widespread, because if it does, some lackeys from gov. security services will crack it. And that's actually not difficult (many algorithms are good and safe - mathematically. But implementation almost always sucks and has weak points).

    And now have fun with "democracy" dances and disappointed citizens (who are light years away from even having an idea of what's really going on and the real purpose of democracy ...)

    Agreed on the > you want real security and privacy then code and implement it yourself.

    If the code is weak, it's still a wonderful learning experience and gets you a real outlook on digital security and how easy it would be for bad actors to slip in some hidden crazy stuff.

    The compression: xz that was found to be backdoored with SSH effected nearly EVERYTHING computing. Being able to log in to SSH servers or do anything to any device anywhere at any time, remotely
    https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/03/backdoor-found-in-widely-used-linux-utility-breaks-encrypted-ssh-connections/

    Was found by a Microsoft employee investigating why things were loading slowly.

    At least you get it. It may be light years away for others to understand, but it's worth discussing.

    I like your points.

    Well, to be fair, it is hard (and cumbersome btw) to create safe and secure software or even just non trivial libraries. It takes quite a few years and lots of experience under the belt to do (properly).

    But of course it's (not impossible but) hard to trust code from others anyway. And in fact it's very, very rarely the case that an algorithm is attacked successfully, it almost always is an implementation that is - and can be - attacked.

    But the reality is even worse. Explanation: Attacks don't succeed because the code is not perfect. They succeed because the code is crappy, because both commercial and open source code is, for a very large part, created by loosely connected groups with members of quite varying quality (tendency towards mediocre). It's crappy because often not even simple rules, e.g. for timing resistance, are obeyed (or even known).

    And the probably most important factor is a double whammy, (a) humans are humans, and (b) humans tend to tick in herd fashion. Example: "Rust is the cure" and everyone and their dog turn to Rust - and often seriously believe that that somehow makes their code better. Spoiler alert: It doesn't, at least not significantly (but it helps to at least not make some of the cruder mistakes). And Rust isn't the first case, before it came quite a few others, among others and relatively famous, Ada.
    Another example: Someone, usually someone "famous" shouts "https everywhere!" and the herd follows blindly.

    So my

    You want some real security and privacy? Then design and implement the code yourself

    is sarcastic to some degree because 90+% (a crude guess, but based on plenty experience) of programmers couldn't do it even if they wanted to. Not without gaining relevant experience on a long and uncomfortable road, and the end-point of which, formally verified design and implementation would not even be reachable at all for many due to lack of math skills.

    Sorry, but I'm afraid we're quite deeply fucked.

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