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EU's secret projects effects all of our data, and nobody's talking about it. They're ending E2EE.
The battle on encryption
Long story short:
The 'High Level Group on Access to Data', a.k.a. HLG Going Dark.
The EU wants extended data retention, and they want authority to not only access encrypted systems, but bypass them all together. The kicker, is they're all ANONYMOUS and going after secure systems. Insecurity by design is the EU's 'Going Dark' goal. They want backdoors to secure systems.
It is possible to backdoor encrypted communications if the creator complies. India and HINA demands this and they usually get it. That is why they blocked protonmail.
The holding on to data for longer periods of time, even encrypted means that the wait for access to Quantum Technologies that can easily break encryption seems to be an end goal.
The only thing needed to be known about what the EU is up to, is they're in the Dark, operating anonymously, and are after data that shadow brokers often buy up, dismantle, and invade not only the privacy of others, but the unethical procurement of data (the world's data) often leads to new systems being created to abuse it; think shadow profiles of you, or targeted ad or cyber warfare technologies.
The problem is they're not saying anything, recruiting, and not telling you who or what is behind it. They only want EU companies and people's compliance to bypass their security systems.
This effects all of us, as interaction with EU peoples or EU hosted services mean your data is stored, even if you're in the US or elsewhere.
Sources
https://edri.org/our-work/shedding-light-we-address-the-flawed-going-dark-report/
A possible solution I stumbled upon
A request for the HLG for data experts has been called upon, in retort a league of experts against data infringement can be read about here:
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/possible-end-to-end-to-end-come-help/
Comments
It seems the EU is moving to the totalitarianism and breaking the human rights. China, Iran, North Korea and Russia are doing so. It's a very dangerous activity!
EU has become something else than an economic alliance for people trading. It is now an alliance of war. It becomes more and more some form of Orwellian totalitarian alliance ready to control its citizens and brainwash them through propaganda about cancelling their freedom for their freedom. War is peace they say. In the end it is all just means to finance wars, murder and crimes against humanity, all to protect politicians who should answer to justice for their really catastrophic decisions.
History always repeats itself. Always. From one generation to another we start forgetting the past and we're bound to repeat it all again for profits and personal power, over and over again, until the slow death of our planet. All we can do is play our technical part and improve the world through open source encryption and protection; let the greedy idiots have their fun, because they are too damn protected and corrupted and we're too damn small.
Sorry for my rant. I just can't stand this anymore. I had to let it out of my chest.
Nothing wrong with letting that rant out. It's a push back on innovation. Hard work and intellect went in to creating secure systems, and now they want to dismantle that because the technology is 'too strong'.
Our data is our data, not their data.
“it seems?” It always have been breaking the rules and adding more restrict rules against privacy.
The Mullvad VPN have a tons of articles about such things. Like KYC and ban encryption or adding backdoors.
What we can do? Nothing. Just playing like Whac-a-mole.
Mullvad also operates freely within the EU, as they’re based in Sweden. Something they wouldn’t be able to do everywhere.
Yea. I know. But Sweden is not safe heaven after TPB raids. Still a good country.
Mullvad VPN has warning about such laws and Europe wanting to do what OP is saying not from now. From some time ago.
Yes I agree. Things are getting worse constantly. Just wanted to shine a light on the fact that it’s still better than most other places. But I agree with it getting worse.
Can’t even get a SIM card here without online id verification anymore.
Aren't the EU and the US the world's defenders of data security?
You've kind of turned my perception on its head with this post.
Hypothetical question: who forbids to create some sort of open source encryption? This is mathematics, nothing more. And there is mathematicians not subsidized by the gov. Once such type of encryption released to the wild - it is over for censorship.
Eh...more like the EU wants to stop private companies from collecting data, so that they have exclusive access to it
Doesn't mean that EU regulatory standards for private companies aren't still a net good, though
If EU thinks this is a good idea, just wait until China, Russia, or Iran exploits these backdoors.
Wouldn't be surprised if some of the anonymous insiders pushing this effort are paid by said actors.
There's a misunderstanding here about how the EU works. This is just a proposal by the EU Commission, but it still has to be approved by the EU Council, (comprised of Heads of Government), and the EU Parliament, (comprised of Elected MEPs), before it becomes law. It makes for great headlines, but it's a long way from becoming a reality.
The EU Commission has been pushing this kind of nonsense for decades, (going back to the Madrid and London bombings in the mid-2000s), and it's always been consistently rejected by elected officials. We'll see whether that's about to change or not, but if peak Al Qaeda wasn't a good enough reason then the latest excuse is unlikely to change that.
And after the Salt Typhoon hacks in the US, (where Chinese government hackers exploited law enforcement backdoors to spy on American networks), surely nobody would be stupid enough to think backdooring encryption is going to work in Europe.
Never underestimate stupidity.
Gold. Stupidity finds the way throw time and space. It is universal, relentless and never stops.
Well, apart from legal regulation (I am no expert but it is possible to forbid certain things via legislation. I think US has got something about exporting cryptography products outside of US), there is one thing which can be called 'If you can't beat it, lead it' or whatever the expression is. In simple terms, if it is a product for a few nerds - nobody cares about it. However, once it becomes a popular one, instead of fighting with it, it is much more efficient to become a leader by, maybe, blackmailing the current leader or change it to a loyal one.
There was a story with Starbucks I think where somebody created anti-starbucks cafe and it became very popular. What happened? Yes, Starbucks bought it but never changed the design, so people were still going in thinking this was anti-starbucks place
On another note, most of the people do not care about privacy, free speech etc. 'I have got nothing to hide' even made it into Wikipedia. Am I correct, @emgh ?
I like to ask such people of the entire list of their password just to ensure they are consistently transparent
Good one. I usually for online banking password to make sure their finances are fine
The US banned the export of PGP when it first came out, (in the 90s IIRC), so the source code was published in a book and exported that way.
There's also nothing stopping people from encapsulating encryption, so even if the content is intercepted and decrypted all the authorities would get is another encrypted stream so it wouldn't achieve anything, in the very unlikely event it got voted into law in the first place.
It's also worth noting that this isn't even an EU Commission proposal. It's a proposal of a working group that feeds into the Commission, (which would then create a detailed proposal to be voted on and approved by elected officials), so there's absolutely no guarantee this would even make it to a vote in its current form.
I know it's fashionable to bash the EU, but the vast majority of this kind of reporting is just lazy journalism that makes for great headlines by ignoring the intricacies of how the EU decision making process works. The EU has been "attacking encryption" for decades, (if you believe the lazy headlines), and yet it has the best privacy laws anywhere in the world 🤷♀️
Sorry, but the EU is in line with the US and just about every government in wanting to break encryption - and have been for literally decades. There is nothing new or EU-centric about this idea, it's just that they're the ones to have most recently said something out loud.
Short version, you can't put the genie in the bottle, but that doesn't stop all govs wanting to.
This is a separate topic, which will probably derail the discussion. In short, I can say that decision making in EU in scam and has departed long time ago since initial EU6.
Probably, it depends how you define 'best'. However, it is difficult to deny that in most modern economies there is a big move towards central control of everything, KYC everywhere, data collection etc. and this move is getting more traction.
nonono, china is way more free than eu. at least I'm not forced by any stupid privacy law that only authorities could change. we chinese has a long history of using high-encrypted proxies and making up fake informations
btw, without kyc many services and contracts will disappear.
Yes I hear that phrass all the time and honestly it’s hard arguing against it sometimes, like if someone uses lots of questionable apps/platforms for convinience, who am I to say ’make your life harder by not doing that’?
I can see both the privacy folks and the normies having good reason to do what they do.
Good man) Also, there is another issue. Total privacy leads to social isolation. Most people are not prepared to dump their favourite gmail/whatsapp/facebook with free and infinite services to use private apps.
You can search my home, but not have the keys.
But anyway, I am currently moving away from icloud now that e2ee is removed. I am just a little worried that it will allow hackers to eventually rip everyone's icloud data and push it out to the internet as part of a the biggest leak everrrrr.
Just imagine 15 or years of icloud photos being released, sweet jesus.
We could go back to origins - storing data in some external hard-drive which is not connected to internet. At least EU gets to keep their internet regulated as they wish.
Meanwhile free speech might start hiding into Tor, IRC, or some other types of encrypted projects.
It's really not a separate topic. EU decision making is relevant to whether this ever becomes law or not. In fact, understanding the stages of EU decision making is central to this discussion because it dictates the likelihood of this ever happening.
I'd also add that most governments will have working groups engaged in similar discussions. The difference being that the EU working groups publicly publish their proposals, whereas national governments rarely share internal discussions and only present the final proposal to be voted on by their parliaments, (assuming they actually become a proposal to be voted on).
The fact that the EU proposals are all made public at an early stage is why we end up with so many of these click bait headlines and general disinformation about what the EU is and isn't doing, so understanding the mechanics is critical to being properly informed about EU activity.
For example, any Commission proposal either needs unanimous consent from the EU Council, (Heads of Government of the 27 members), or at least a Qualified Majority, (depending on the subject), before going to the EU Parliament where it needs to be approved by a majority of MEPs....all of which requires a hell of a lot of compromises and changes...so I struggle to see how you "scam" that decision making process.
Not that any of this matters. I just prefer to focus on what things really are, rather than what I want to believe they are to confirm my personal biases.
I have actually been thinking that physical storage might be the better way to go these days, especially with all the wars…
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Maybe offtopic, but I wanted to buy quality leaded solder (lead free solder is unreliable) in Norway but I couldn't because of the very good EU, although Norway is not an EU member. EU is not promoting democracy by any meaning. EU does the exact opposite and still, students are brainwashed to think so. Also, EU destroyed the Web with cookie banners.