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Seeking provider that does not require JavaScript to interact with server panel

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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @avsisp said:

    @tentor said:

    @avsisp said: Pure CSS and HTML are extremely lightweight and fast loading.

    Svelte5 can be optimized to this levels of performance. What makes Svelte5 more attractive is that it implements forms for the developer, and less code has to be written.

    Fair enough - but nothing will ever run as fast as native direct html and CSS - especially in-line only CSS using style= tags. Can make pages rocket fast. But of course static-after-load and dynamic only being managed server-side.

    Embedding styles into HTML itself might be not the best idea for large website (hard to maintain), but will indeed save something on round trip time. Anyway, Svelte5 is able to prerender pages to static HTML as well ;)

  • Yuki_Yuki_ Member

    @itzgeo said:
    Any reason why you dislike JavaScript?

    JavaScript browser engines are walking (more like running) security vulnerabilities the code bases are absurd, JavaScript libraries are also gigantic so loading the front page to the website takes more space then a small size computer program (lets not even get started on electron). Making a website used to be an art for technically skilled people to engage in and have fun (I am ignoring the people who made bad websites) now it is just corpo robo brr... everything looks the same and if your a technical business trying to sell a technical service while not being able or willing to spend resources on the first thing people see when they go to your website then you are not worth my money. "oo oo oo my network latency is 0.1ms i have peered all these upstream and optimized my routing" meanwhile takes five seconds to load your JavaScript page

    Thanked by 3itzgeo JohnnySac 0xC7
  • Yuki_Yuki_ Member
    edited July 2025

    @avsisp said:

    @Yuki_ said:

    @oloke said:

    @darkmaster said:
    Flokinet.is Cockbox.org Njal.la 1984.is Privatealps.net

    All of them are heavily overpriced.

    Also, @Yuki_ most providers use javascript nowadays, not really for tracking but for better interaction with the website/panel.
    I could recommend some providers which are privacy oriented but have some amount of javascript on their sites.

    Unless you're using surf or lynx, your browser should support javascript in 2025.

    Yes but maybe other providers can take note that users are willing to pay extra not having to suffer at the hands of bloated, vulnerable, unnecessary JavaScript browser engines.

    Thanks for the offer but my requirements are strict.

    So you're looking for URDN style website lol 😂

    I'm actually in the process of remaking ours into simple html / CSS with no JS or anything like that - based on bestfuckingwebsite 😂 it's actually harder than you'd think to use only php and html to make it fully interactive without neat j.s. hacks.

    Yes URDN is a good host although they seem to have some issues currently, a bloated website is not one of them :-)

    Very glad to hear your putting in effort unlike others around here please send me a message when it is done, do you support contact through XMPP with OMEMO or OTR? or PGP encrypted emails?

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • MivoCloudMivoCloud Member, Host Rep

    hi, if you take servers from us, then you get a clean OS when you buy. Apart from the system, nothing will be installed there additionally and you install everything yourself.

  • Yuki_Yuki_ Member

    @MivoCloud said:
    hi, if you take servers from us, then you get a clean OS when you buy. Apart from the system, nothing will be installed there additionally and you install everything yourself.

    Right but this thread is less about the server and more about the process of purchasing it and interacting with the management panel.

  • MivoCloudMivoCloud Member, Host Rep

    @Yuki_ said:

    @MivoCloud said:
    hi, if you take servers from us, then you get a clean OS when you buy. Apart from the system, nothing will be installed there additionally and you install everything yourself.

    Right but this thread is less about the server and more about the process of purchasing it and interacting with the management panel.

    Well, you can interact with our control panel from a browser, or you can independently install what is required for remote access to the server and use this tool to work. :)

  • JabJabJabJab Member

    MivoCloud said:
    hi, if you take servers from us, then you get a clean OS when you buy. Apart from the system, nothing will be installed there additionally and you install everything yourself.

    How to say you didn't read the topic or have any idea what this is about without saying you have no idea what this is about.

  • DrvDrv Member
    edited July 2025

    @itzgeo said:
    Any reason why you dislike JavaScript?

    Let me give you an example, there is a forum made with js, on mobile it loads in 30 seconds, with js off 1-2 seconds. not to mention phone BURNZ. typing takes 2-3s for each character.
    Older smartphones or cpu gets killed

    Thanked by 2itzgeo 0xC7
  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    I remember some older vps hosts who just provide shell access without any panel. But can't remember which one it was.

  • RubbenRubben Member

    @JabJab said:

    MivoCloud said:
    hi, if you take servers from us, then you get a clean OS when you buy. Apart from the system, nothing will be installed there additionally and you install everything yourself.

    How to say you didn't read the topic or have any idea what this is about without saying you have no idea what this is about.

    this is literally so fucking funny thank you for commenting this

  • emaiIemaiI Member

    @Drv said:

    @itzgeo said:
    Any reason why you dislike JavaScript?

    Let me give you an example, there is a forum made with js, on mobile it loads in 30 seconds, with js off 1-2 seconds. not to mention phone BURNZ. typing takes 2-3s for each character.
    Older smartphones or cpu gets killed

    That's not because of JavaScript, but because of the site itself. Unfortunately its such incompetence that got onto JS reputation.

    Thanked by 2itzgeo oloke
  • layer7layer7 Member, Host Rep, LIR

    @Yuki_ said:
    I am seeking a VPS provider that does not require JavaScript to purchase and manage the product.
    So no captcha on signup like hcaptcha or recaptcha and no tracking like Google or Yandex analytics and support payments in crypto preferably XMR.

    Hi,

    our control panel use a bit of javascript.

    But

    So no captcha on signup like hcaptcha or recaptcha and no tracking like Google or Yandex analytics and support payments in crypto preferably XMR.

    we dont do.

    So maybe its still fitting for you.

    You can test things out if it works for you by getting a free test server:

    https://layer7.net/cloud-server

  • @tentor said:

    @avsisp said:

    @tentor said:

    @avsisp said: Pure CSS and HTML are extremely lightweight and fast loading.

    Svelte5 can be optimized to this levels of performance. What makes Svelte5 more attractive is that it implements forms for the developer, and less code has to be written.

    Fair enough - but nothing will ever run as fast as native direct html and CSS - especially in-line only CSS using style= tags. Can make pages rocket fast. But of course static-after-load and dynamic only being managed server-side.

    Embedding styles into HTML itself might be not the best idea for large website (hard to maintain), but will indeed save something on round trip time. Anyway, Svelte5 is able to prerender pages to static HTML as well ;)

    For component design frameworks, embedding styles is not that big deal.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @itachikonoha said:

    @tentor said:

    @avsisp said:

    @tentor said:

    @avsisp said: Pure CSS and HTML are extremely lightweight and fast loading.

    Svelte5 can be optimized to this levels of performance. What makes Svelte5 more attractive is that it implements forms for the developer, and less code has to be written.

    Fair enough - but nothing will ever run as fast as native direct html and CSS - especially in-line only CSS using style= tags. Can make pages rocket fast. But of course static-after-load and dynamic only being managed server-side.

    Embedding styles into HTML itself might be not the best idea for large website (hard to maintain), but will indeed save something on round trip time. Anyway, Svelte5 is able to prerender pages to static HTML as well ;)

    For component design frameworks, embedding styles is not that big deal.

    Saved RTT doesn't sound like worth optimization, single CSS file including all necessary and no irrelevant styles would be way better IMO.

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • @emaiI said:

    @Drv said:

    @itzgeo said:
    Any reason why you dislike JavaScript?

    Let me give you an example, there is a forum made with js, on mobile it loads in 30 seconds, with js off 1-2 seconds. not to mention phone BURNZ. typing takes 2-3s for each character.
    Older smartphones or cpu gets killed

    That's not because of JavaScript, but because of the site itself. Unfortunately its such incompetence that got onto JS reputation.

    What has the site has to do with it?
    Js is locally executed right? You wanted to say that it calls other sites and it adds more latency or what? Then why everything loads faster with it off?

  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    pretty unique request.

  • I remember years ago while working on my first custom e-commerce system there was a concept known as “progressive enhancement” for the customer facing frontend meaning any JavaScript should be built on top of a working website to enhance the user experience but it is not necessary for critical functionality. Progressive enhancement allows markup up to be at the foundation, markup is then presented using CSS, and lastly JavaScript can be added for additional user enhancements. This structure allows search engine robots, people with disabilities and people with JavaScript turned off to still be able to use the website.

    Today’s concept is “graceful degradation” which essentially is just:

    <noscript>Turn on JavaScript you asshole!</noscript>
    
  • nghialelenghialele Member
    edited July 2025

    people inventing javascript.

    also people try to deny it in using.

    human ☕

    Thanked by 1itzgeo
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    Thank you LowEndTalk

    Thanked by 1Not_Oles
  • emaiIemaiI Member

    @NeedDeal said:

    @emaiI said:

    @Drv said:

    @itzgeo said:
    Any reason why you dislike JavaScript?

    Let me give you an example, there is a forum made with js, on mobile it loads in 30 seconds, with js off 1-2 seconds. not to mention phone BURNZ. typing takes 2-3s for each character.
    Older smartphones or cpu gets killed

    That's not because of JavaScript, but because of the site itself. Unfortunately its such incompetence that got onto JS reputation.

    What has the site has to do with it?
    Js is locally executed right? You wanted to say that it calls other sites and it adds more latency or what? Then why everything loads faster with it off?

    Really, it depends on how it is made. But generally today JavaScript is used everything (also inefficiently and for things that it shouldn't), so the performance hit makes sense.

  • vicayavicaya Member

    The only thing that's not easy to implement in a server panel without JS is the interactive console, which is required if you want to tweak BIOS/UEFI settings.

  • Yuki_Yuki_ Member

    @vicaya said:
    The only thing that's not easy to implement in a server panel without JS is the interactive console, which is required if you want to tweak BIOS/UEFI settings.

    No its not required, this is why IPMI and other OOBM exists.

  • vicayavicaya Member

    @Yuki_ said:

    @vicaya said:
    The only thing that's not easy to implement in a server panel without JS is the interactive console, which is required if you want to tweak BIOS/UEFI settings.

    No its not required, this is why IPMI and other OOBM exists.

    IPMI cannot deal with UEFI binaries with GUI/TUI at all. Other OOBM solutions like iLO, iDRAC etc. all require JS.

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