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Google Ordered to Pay $314M for Misusing Android Users' Cellular Data Without Permission

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @artxs said: Without those two applications used by enterprises everywhere, the entire windows ecosystem would collapse because pretty much every app out there is online and doesn't need windows.

    Tell us you've never worked in the enterprise market without telling us.

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  • @cainyxues said:
    When am I getting my part of the money? Since they profited from "my" data.....👀

    Ask them nicely for a Pixel phone for more data collection. :)

  • artxsartxs Member

    @emgh said:
    Difference being my grandmother doesn’t run Linux. Don’t see everything so binary, you’re losing the truth along the way.

    Really? A chromebook does everything your grandmother needs. In case you haven't noticed, Windows 11 taskbar and menu is a direct ripoff from chromeOS. :D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChromeOS
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11

    She won't even need an antivirus.

    Thanked by 1Noct
  • artxsartxs Member

    @raindog308 said:
    Tell us you've never worked in the enterprise market without telling us.

    I'd love to be proven wrong. Even Microsoft admitted as much. There's a native Office application for MacOS, but not Linux. They know the day that they release Excel and Outlook for Linux will be the death of Windows. Do tell me what enterprises do with windows? Serious application development with IIS and ASP like it's 2005?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @artxs said:

    @emgh said:
    Difference being my grandmother doesn’t run Linux. Don’t see everything so binary, you’re losing the truth along the way.

    Really? A chromebook does everything your grandmother needs. In case you haven't noticed, Windows 11 taskbar and menu is a direct ripoff from chromeOS. :D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChromeOS
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11

    She won't even need an antivirus.

    My point still stands.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @artxs said: Do tell me what enterprises do with windows?

    Industry-specific COTS apps.

    You said:

    @artxs said: Without those two applications used by enterprises everywhere, the entire windows ecosystem would collapse because pretty much every app out there is online and doesn't need windows.

    That's just wrong.

    I've worked for three different Fortune 500 companies, and each had tons of industry-specific vertical apps that you've never heard of and no one outside the industry has every heard of. Even if Microsoft stopped publishing Windows and Outlook, they'd still need Windows to run those applications. And those applications are not going away nor are they online.

    And while we don't do ASP, we do have a bunch of .NET developers. In some cases, we're the online and in other cases we need to integrate with all those industry apps and .NET is the most convenient choice.

    Until last year, my daughter was a developer for a company that published an industry-specific vertical app in the healthcare space, writing .NET code that was deployed at hospitals.

    Sure, Office are widely used in the office worker space. But that's hardly the only place that Windows is used, and even those people are not just using office. They're using it alongside whatever applications power their business. A lot of small business apps are available online. A lot are not, and a lot fewer big business apps are.

    In the enterprise, two things rule: industry-specific apps, and integrating those apps with other apps.

  • artxsartxs Member

    @raindog308 said:
    I've worked for three different Fortune 500 companies, and each had tons of industry-specific vertical apps that you've never heard of and no one outside the industry has every heard of. Even if Microsoft stopped publishing Windows and Outlook, they'd still need Windows to run those applications. And those applications are not going away nor are they online.

    No argument there. My point is: those specific vertical apps are written for Windows because of the Outlook/Excel infrastructure. You have thousands of workstations for workers and all those workers need a communication/email/accounting platform, plus a way to manage all those PCs (encrypt, remote lock, etc). Microsoft has a monopoly on this. In other words, NET developers are NET developers because their workstation is windows, and their workstation is windows because of Outlook/Excel/Teams. There is no Linux alternative for that.

    It's the same reason S&P 500 companies don't use Linux workstations.. They're not going to use Samba as an AD server to manage 100,000 employees and their PCs using rsync backups on Samba.

  • @artxs said:

    @TimboJones said:
    You must be young. Windows XP had 300 million pirated copies running in China not getting updates and became an Internet time bomb.

    Your point is what? Pirated Windows 11 copies in China are getting updates and they're secure? The words "piracy", "security" and "antivirus" got you all confused.. Antivirus and windows have nothing to do with each other. Like I said, linux doesn't have a built-in antivirus and there was no "internet time bomb."

    You said, "there's utterly no legitimate reason for microsoft to get into the antivirus space for free"

    That's not only stupid, but wrong, was my point.

    You seem to be mixing up consumers downloading risky files from the internet and managed Linux servers. They have different users and security profiles.

    Look at Linux desktop usage vs Windows usage. That's why virii is targeted at Windows, it's a waste to go after 2% instead of 90% of the market.

    Linux has virii. They have exploits. You seem to be living in 1999 thinking Linux doesn't have viruses instead of it just not being the biggest attack vector.

  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    Not a lot of money for google.

  • Oke cool, when can I expect my money ?

    Thanked by 1itzgeo
  • NoctNoct Member

    @eb1995 said:
    But I have turned off hey siri recently after reading that’s been listening too. Can’t win but can do my best lol

    With full respect, be under no illusions, your best is not good enough in this regard. :)

    Thanked by 1eb1995
  • artxsartxs Member

    @TimboJones said:
    You said, "there's utterly no legitimate reason for microsoft to get into the antivirus space for free"
    That's not only stupid, but wrong, was my point.
    Linux has virii. They have exploits. You seem to be living in 1999 thinking Linux doesn't have viruses instead of it just not being the biggest attack vector.

    My point still stands, but I still don't know what you're getting at. There are free antiviruses for Windows and Linux. See my earlier comment about enterprises. Windows would continue to sell even without an antivirus because enterprises have no choice, and end-consumers who want Windows would continue to buy windows because there are numerous free antiviruses for windows (not that they need to buy it since Microsoft has practically been giving away Windows 10 and 11 upgrades for free for a long time). Again, there's no legitimate reason for microsoft to get into the antivirus space for free.

    I think your first argument was: Microsoft needs to develop Windows Defender because without it, the world is unsafe and million of hacked/infected PCs are turning into bots. Try your argument again, this time with more sense.

    Thanked by 1Noct
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