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RELIABLESITE ANNOUNCE OUR /24 RANGE WITHOUT OUR AUTHORIZATION

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  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    @JoshR said:

    @nohavps said:
    Until yesterday, we had the range announced with Active Server. Yesterday, we switched to our AS63025, which was supposed to be advertised with Berohost. The strangest thing is that Reliablesite seemed to be there. That's why I'm posting to find out why they're showing up without us authorizing anything. The problem is that the range isn't being propagated to the new location.

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    Its not going to propagate without a valid RPKI/ROA from IPXO saying that AS63025 is authorized to announce said range.

    @HostSlick said:
    can also announce it for you and put your asn in the path

    thanks.

    88

    The range is announced by our AS63025

  • AlyxAlyx Member, Host Rep

    @nohavps said: The problem is that the range isn't being propagated to the new location.

    But that has nothing todo with reliablesite.
    As BGP tools shows very clearly, the route is currently not in the DFZ.
    Nobody is really advertising the prefix right now. Not a single tier 1 provider knows this prefix exist in the first place.

    If you want to use it, you need to sort this out with your new upstream in your new location.

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    @Alyx said:

    @nohavps said: The problem is that the range isn't being propagated to the new location.

    But that has nothing todo with reliablesite.
    As BGP tools shows very clearly, the route is currently not in the DFZ.
    Nobody is really advertising the prefix right now. Not a single tier 1 provider knows this prefix exist in the first place.

    If you want to use it, you need to sort this out with your new upstream in your new location.

    The range began to be announced by berohost with SYNLINQ. The problem was that at that time the AS of reliablesite appeared, which was published and I want to know why its AS has to appear. They clearly announced the range without any authorization from us.

  • DataWagonDataWagon Member, Patron Provider

    Your range is not announced by anybody:

    route-server> sh ip bgp 64.253.91.0
    % Network not in table
    route-server> sh ip bgp 64.253.91.0/24
    % Network not in table
    route-server> 
    

    If it's not currently propagating in your new location, it has nothing to do with ReliableSite....

    Thanked by 3Alyx tentor Kolestor
  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2025

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  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2025

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  • DataWagonDataWagon Member, Patron Provider

    They're clearly not advertising the range, see my message above. The /24 is not in the global routing table. You're publicly flaming ReliableSite for Berohost's issue.

  • JabJabJabJab Member

    JFCI why does providers here do deals/suport in LET PMs?

    Aren't you guys even scared that one day someone will exploit Vanilla (uhmmm one day :D) and gain access to all your PMs, deals, access data and [for example] post them online?

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    @DataWagon said:

    They're clearly not advertising the range, see my message above. The /24 is not in the global routing table. You're publicly flaming ReliableSite for Berohost's issue.

    ReliableSite announced the network. Thanks to RPKI

  • AlyxAlyx Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2025

    @nohavps said:

    @Alyx said:

    @nohavps said: The problem is that the range isn't being propagated to the new location.

    But that has nothing todo with reliablesite.
    As BGP tools shows very clearly, the route is currently not in the DFZ.
    Nobody is really advertising the prefix right now. Not a single tier 1 provider knows this prefix exist in the first place.

    If you want to use it, you need to sort this out with your new upstream in your new location.

    The range began to be announced by berohost with SYNLINQ. The problem was that at that time the AS of reliablesite appeared, which was published and I want to know why its AS has to appear. They clearly announced the range without any authorization from us.

    I can't tell you why this route showed up at some point.
    But it looks like reliablesite is currently not advertising this prefix to anyone. AS4230 is the only network that knows about this. It really just looks like a stuck route, which just happens from time to time. Feel free to send their noc a mail. But don't expect a answer within 10 minutes.

    If you are more interested in the topic I would recommend giving this a read:
    https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/bgp-stuck-routes-tcp-zero-window

    This is your prefix, as you can see bgp.tools sees ONLY 7 ROUTES. Which practically means, its dead/offline.

    For comparison a prefix of mine, bgp.tools sees 2279 routes.

    If you recently added the prefix to BeoHost, it’s possible that they or their upstream providers just need some time to update their filters before your prefix comes through.
    You can either reach out to them to confirm everything is in order or simply wait for the filters to be updated.

  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    @nohavps said:

    @DataWagon said:

    They're clearly not advertising the range, see my message above. The /24 is not in the global routing table. You're publicly flaming ReliableSite for Berohost's issue.

    ReliableSite announced the network. Thanks to RPKI

    This is just two ISPs in that list not implementing RPKI filtering. Most ISPs including T1's are not accepting the RS route.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @wdmg said:

    @nohavps said:

    @DataWagon said:

    They're clearly not advertising the range, see my message above. The /24 is not in the global routing table. You're publicly flaming ReliableSite for Berohost's issue.

    ReliableSite announced the network. Thanks to RPKI

    This is just two ISPs in that list not implementing RPKI filtering. Most ISPs including T1's are not accepting the RS route.

    OVH don’t do RPKI filtering?

  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    @emgh said:

    @wdmg said:

    @nohavps said:

    @DataWagon said:

    They're clearly not advertising the range, see my message above. The /24 is not in the global routing table. You're publicly flaming ReliableSite for Berohost's issue.

    ReliableSite announced the network. Thanks to RPKI

    This is just two ISPs in that list not implementing RPKI filtering. Most ISPs including T1's are not accepting the RS route.

    OVH don’t do RPKI filtering?

    Maybe, frankly I'm not sure. it's possible they do and forgot some sessions... but there's a list of some popular ones you can shame here: https://isbgpsafeyet.com/

    Thanked by 3Alyx emgh satorik
  • berohostberohost Member, Patron Provider

    We have been announcing the subnet for a short time and are currently waiting for the filters of our upstreams to be updated. We have already communicated this to @nohavps.
    We have also pointed out to @nohavps that the network is still announced by AS23470, even if this should have no impact with RPKI.

    However, I think this discussion is going nowhere and should be continued via DM.

    Thanked by 3MrRadic oloke zed
  • MikeAMikeA Member, Patron Provider
    edited June 2025

    @wdmg said:

    @emgh said:

    @wdmg said:

    @nohavps said:

    @DataWagon said:

    They're clearly not advertising the range, see my message above. The /24 is not in the global routing table. You're publicly flaming ReliableSite for Berohost's issue.

    ReliableSite announced the network. Thanks to RPKI

    This is just two ISPs in that list not implementing RPKI filtering. Most ISPs including T1's are not accepting the RS route.

    OVH don’t do RPKI filtering?

    Maybe, frankly I'm not sure. it's possible they do and forgot some sessions... but there's a list of some popular ones you can shame here: https://isbgpsafeyet.com/

    doubt it kinda. I've seen this exact thing with OVH many times in the past (alongside netactuate every time, per the ping.pe screenshot.)

    Thanked by 4wdmg oloke emgh satorik
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    I see it on both. bgp.he.net and bgp.tools as

    • nohavps (Prefix Registrant) with IRR valid
    • ReliableSite (Prefix Registrant) with IRR invalid.

    IMO this, as well as the unreasonable "open an account and send a ticket" response by RS make them look bad.
    If you are made aware of a problem you caused or are involved in, you don't play formal games but rather solve it.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @zed said:
    I think it's about time we had a "Legal" category on the forum, what say you fellow kids?

    It would be an alias of the Drama category.

    @nohavps said:
    ReliableSite announced the network. Thanks to RPKI

    The "AS name" column of mtr (including ping.pe) is the result of WHOIS lookup.
    It does not prove the identified ASN is announcing the target prefix.

    Given you see a response from the target prefix, it means the target prefix must be announced by someone.
    It could be either ReliableSite or BeroHost, or even someone else.

    Thanked by 3tentor emgh s0n1c
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    I love yasuni

  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    @jsg said: IMO this, as well as the unreasonable "open an account and send a ticket" response by RS make them look bad.

    I don't think RS saying "open a ticket" is unreasonable... but he could've also emailed the NOC address and I'm guessing that would've opened a ticket to their NOC automatically which their network engineers would've seen and handled.

    Thanked by 3tentor jsg yoursunny
  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    @zed said:
    I think it's about time we had a "Legal" category on the forum, what say you fellow kids?

    "Host Battles"

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    We would just like @ReliableSiteHosting to at least respond to us because @MrRadic is only in sales and so far he hasn't responded to us on the ticket.

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2025

    @wdmg said:

    @jsg said: IMO this, as well as the unreasonable "open an account and send a ticket" response by RS make them look bad.

    I don't think RS saying "open a ticket" is unreasonable... but he could've also emailed the NOC address and I'm guessing that would've opened a ticket to their NOC automatically which their network engineers would've seen and handled.

    @wdmg said:

    @zed said:
    I think it's about time we had a "Legal" category on the forum, what say you fellow kids?

    "Host Battles"

    First, we sent a ticket to @MrRadic , which is supposedly sales-only.

    Then we sent a message to @ReliableSiteHosting and received no response.

    Then we went to their website via chat and received no response. They'll just review it. A ticket was sent, and so far, we haven't received any response.

    That's why we opened a post here LET.

    WE ALSO SEND AN EMAIL

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  • wdmgwdmg Member, LIR

    @nohavps said:

    @wdmg said:

    @jsg said: IMO this, as well as the unreasonable "open an account and send a ticket" response by RS make them look bad.

    I don't think RS saying "open a ticket" is unreasonable... but he could've also emailed the NOC address and I'm guessing that would've opened a ticket to their NOC automatically which their network engineers would've seen and handled.

    @wdmg said:

    @zed said:
    I think it's about time we had a "Legal" category on the forum, what say you fellow kids?

    "Host Battles"

    First, we sent a ticket to @MrRadic , which is supposedly sales-only.

    Then we sent a message to @ReliableSiteHosting and received no response.

    Then we went to their website via chat and received no response. They'll just review it. A ticket was sent, and so far, we haven't received any response.

    That's why we opened a post here LET.

    15:26: Ticket opened.

    ...

    15:44: System Admin response saying they'd investigate it.

    I'd say that's good response time frankly. You're making the assumption that it's a one-click for them.

    • Did you factor in they might have a client with this range assigned who has servers with those IPs allocated that they must notify of the range being removed?
    • Did you factor in they might have a non-standard way of doing networking and it isn't as simple as re-importing a prefix list?

    I'm not saying RS is doing great at communicating, but frankly you're not doing fantastic here yourself. Your new upstream won't have the prefix filter refreshed at least on DP until anytime tomorrow in CEST, Cogent is midnight GMT... you have time.

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @nohavps said: We would just like @ReliableSiteHosting to at least respond to us because @MrRadic is only in sales

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    The schedule is not correct, it is the schedule where it is configured as the mail server, and the ticket server

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    @DP said:

    @nohavps said: We would just like @ReliableSiteHosting to at least respond to us because @MrRadic is only in sales

    That's the response we received via message on LET.

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    @wdmg said:

    @nohavps said:

    @wdmg said:

    @jsg said: IMO this, as well as the unreasonable "open an account and send a ticket" response by RS make them look bad.

    I don't think RS saying "open a ticket" is unreasonable... but he could've also emailed the NOC address and I'm guessing that would've opened a ticket to their NOC automatically which their network engineers would've seen and handled.

    @wdmg said:

    @zed said:
    I think it's about time we had a "Legal" category on the forum, what say you fellow kids?

    "Host Battles"

    First, we sent a ticket to @MrRadic , which is supposedly sales-only.

    Then we sent a message to @ReliableSiteHosting and received no response.

    Then we went to their website via chat and received no response. They'll just review it. A ticket was sent, and so far, we haven't received any response.

    That's why we opened a post here LET.

    15:26: Ticket opened.

    ...

    15:44: System Admin response saying they'd investigate it.

    I'd say that's good response time frankly. You're making the assumption that it's a one-click for them.

    • Did you factor in they might have a client with this range assigned who has servers with those IPs allocated that they must notify of the range being removed?
    • Did you factor in they might have a non-standard way of doing networking and it isn't as simple as re-importing a prefix list?

    I'm not saying RS is doing great at communicating, but frankly you're not doing fantastic here yourself. Your new upstream won't have the prefix filter refreshed at least on DP until anytime tomorrow in CEST, Cogent is midnight GMT... you have time.

    You can check the messages that were sent, first in LET, you have to see the assigned time, then the email, then the ticket.

    @MrRadic can confirm if we have received a response to the ticket. So far, we have not received any.

  • wadhahwadhah Member, Host Rep

    you should start another work order

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @wdmg said:
    15:26: Ticket opened.

    ...

    15:44: System Admin response saying they'd investigate it.

    which doesn't necessarily mean a lot.

    • Did you factor in they might have a client with this range assigned ...

    That doesn't change the fact that that range is @nohavps'.

    • Did you factor in they might have a non-standard way of doing networking and it isn't as simple as re-importing a prefix list?

    Utterly irrelevant and their problem.

    I'm not saying RS is doing great at communicating, but frankly you're not doing fantastic here yourself. Your new upstream won't have the prefix filter refreshed at least on DP until anytime tomorrow in CEST, Cogent is midnight GMT... you have time.

    nohavps tried multiple ways of communication. And how long updates need to propagate/refresh is of secondary importance. RS made a mistake; that's human, not too uncommon, and forgivable. What's not forgivable at all though is reacting in between ignorantly and slowly.

    Thanked by 1nohavps
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