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Question for Providers: If chicken too old, why not change mothership?

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  • nvmenvme Member

    Because why upgrade when your chicken still lays eggs?

  • hyperblasthyperblast Member

    @layer7 said:
    Hi @Rubben

    its basically quiet simple, what is better:

    1. spending 2-3k to buy a new server and wait months to have your investment back and then earning 400 EUR every month
    2. earning 200 EUR every month to sell old chicken

    ?

    Yes, right. Instead of giving customers who already exist on the hardware ( and seem happy (enough) with it ) a free?!?! hardware upgrade, you will just leave them where they are and making money.

    For more demanding customers / new customers you can make a new product on recent hardware.

    We have some old 2-3 EUR / month VPS's contracts running on E5-2650Lv4 hardware. The customers are happy because they just pay 2-3 EUR / month for a good portion of resouces and we are happy as this hardware generates money.

    If they buy new, they will come to SP 6230 CPU's but pay 4-5 EUR. Some prefer to spend the more on money to receive the more on resources / power.

    And others are happy they still have their hands on the cheap servers providing enough resources for their use case.

    I know providers who let their customers run on Xeon v1 hardware with 800 MHz DDR3 RAM. And they make tons of money selling this shit.

    They simply have 0 motivation to trash working hardware if customers are stupid motivated enough to accept paying for this.

    And based on my experience, thats actually the most smart move you can do if you want to make money.

    If you are ( also like we do it actually ) updating your hardware frequently to make sure that you are somehow not totally in ancient ages, then you give up on a significant portion of your profit -- for the sake of not being bugged with old hardware.

    For us, we do that because i dont want the serverstock not to be too much outdated. Its a strategic move to give up on old hardware in time before its value hits straight 0.

    But thats definitely hurting profit, and definitely if you look on it absolutely, not the smartest move.

    Riding a horse until its dead gives always the best return of investments. Its just like that.

    the long version of: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4434437/#Comment_4434437

    :D

  • RubbenRubben Member

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    hey besties thanks for the answers

    anyway any dealz?

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  • aRNoLDaRNoLD Member

    powerful cpu series for let/hostloc bench/script lovers, and outdated cpu series for storage and dmca-ignored chasers.

  • vastness4594vastness4594 Member

    I wouldn't mind those old Xeon E5 dinosaurs for storage boxes or mostly idle VPS. For actual compute I definitely want the new EPYC CPUs.

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    Stop buying, old, ancient, shitty, slow, chicken.
    Chicken farmer will be forced upgrade farm.

    Thanked by 8oloke Rubben JohnnySac nghialele satorik FAT32 borkedascii khalequzzaman
  • cybertechcybertech Member

    Stop buying, old, ancient, shitty, slow, chicken.
    Chicken farmer will be forced upgrade farm.

    Thanked by 2nghialele satorik
  • RubbenRubben Member

    Stop buying, old, ancient, shitty, slow, chicken.
    Chicken farmer will be forced upgrade farm.

    Thanked by 1nghialele
  • COLBYLICIOUSCOLBYLICIOUS Member

    Stop buying, old, ancient, shitty, slow, chicken.
    Chicken farmer will be forced upgrade farm.

    Thanked by 1nghialele
  • VinegarVinegar Member

    Because old chicken tastes better

    Thanked by 1Rubben
  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep
    edited May 2025

    Providers can usually be more aggressive on memory/vCPU pricing on older E5v4/E5v3 systems because they've probably already ROI'd on them a decade ago and now just need to cover the electricity bill. They're still perfectly performant enough for a lot of clients. We don't have any E5v4/E5v3 servers anymore, but I understand why hosts have them.

    But even in 10 years, I would expect these EPYC Turin, Genoa, Milan, Rome, and Ryzen servers that we have now to remain somewhere, unless there is some massive innovation in power efficiency. It doesn't make sense to throw out old hardware unless they don't bring in enough revenue to at least cover the bare minimum power bill.

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  • barbarzabarbarza Member

    @Rubben There is a very simple conclusion to this after which the mods can close the thread:

    Baguettes > Chickens

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  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    Interesting question....

    Thanked by 1Rubben
  • RubbenRubben Member

    @DediRock said:
    Interesting question....

    ok now send me $3.50 if this is such an interesting question

    Thanked by 1DediRock
  • RubbenRubben Member

    @Advin said:
    Providers can usually be more aggressive on memory/vCPU pricing on older E5v4/E5v3 systems because they've probably already ROI'd on them a decade ago and now just need to cover the electricity bill. They're still perfectly performant enough for a lot of clients.

    I would never really buy an E5v4/E5v3 server now, though, anything we build now is usually EPYC Genoa and onward.

    But even in 10 years, I would expect these EPYC Turin, Genoa, Milan, Rome, and Ryzen servers that we have now to remain somewhere, unless there is some massive innovation in power efficiency. It doesn't make sense to throw out old hardware unless they don't bring in enough revenue to at least cover the bare minimum power bill.

    omg okay this actually makes a lot of sense, thanks for your insights

  • RubbenRubben Member

    @Vinegar said:
    Because old chicken tastes better

    babes, i did NOT ask about your preference in women

    @barbarza said:
    @Rubben There is a very simple conclusion to this after which the mods can close the thread:

    Baguettes > Chickens

    ok but baguettes cant make eggs and i like putting eggs into my ramen. if i put baguette in my ramen it's not very good i think

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  • zedzed Member

    old chickens cant produce eggs, might be worth a thing

  • RubbenRubben Member

    @zed said:
    old chickens cant produce eggs, might be worth a thing

    ok but like which can produce more eggs? a baguette or old chicken?

  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    @Rubben said:

    @DediRock said:
    Interesting question....

    ok now send me $3.50 if this is such an interesting question

    only $3.50 :)

  • RubbenRubben Member

    @DediRock said:

    @Rubben said:

    @DediRock said:
    Interesting question....

    ok now send me $3.50 if this is such an interesting question

    only $3.50 :)

    you look rich, make it $7

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  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep

    @Rubben said:

    @Advin said:
    Providers can usually be more aggressive on memory/vCPU pricing on older E5v4/E5v3 systems because they've probably already ROI'd on them a decade ago and now just need to cover the electricity bill. They're still perfectly performant enough for a lot of clients.

    I would never really buy an E5v4/E5v3 server now, though, anything we build now is usually EPYC Genoa and onward.

    But even in 10 years, I would expect these EPYC Turin, Genoa, Milan, Rome, and Ryzen servers that we have now to remain somewhere, unless there is some massive innovation in power efficiency. It doesn't make sense to throw out old hardware unless they don't bring in enough revenue to at least cover the bare minimum power bill.

    omg okay this actually makes a lot of sense, thanks for your insights

    Also, forgot to mention, but I think AWS Lightsail is still on E5v3/E5v4. It's clearly good enough for them!

  • RubbenRubben Member
    edited May 2025

    @Advin said:

    @Rubben said:

    @Advin said:
    Providers can usually be more aggressive on memory/vCPU pricing on older E5v4/E5v3 systems because they've probably already ROI'd on them a decade ago and now just need to cover the electricity bill. They're still perfectly performant enough for a lot of clients.

    I would never really buy an E5v4/E5v3 server now, though, anything we build now is usually EPYC Genoa and onward.

    But even in 10 years, I would expect these EPYC Turin, Genoa, Milan, Rome, and Ryzen servers that we have now to remain somewhere, unless there is some massive innovation in power efficiency. It doesn't make sense to throw out old hardware unless they don't bring in enough revenue to at least cover the bare minimum power bill.

    omg okay this actually makes a lot of sense, thanks for your insights

    Also, forgot to mention, but I think AWS Lightsail is still on E5v3/E5v4. It's clearly good enough for them!

    No bestie they use Intel(R) Xeon(R) Platinum 8259CL CPU and thank god for that. My Tencent Cloud chicken is AMD EPYC 7K62 and the way my wig flew to mars when i saw it during yabs

  • chunkburstchunkburst Member

    Stop buying, old, ancient, shitty, slow, chicken.
    Chicken farmer will be forced upgrade farm.

  • stxshstxsh Member

    I started this thread from the first post.. at some point i started reading all the comments with an asian accent.. am I resist?

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  • RubbenRubben Member

    @stxsh said:
    I started this thread from the first post.. at some point i started reading all the comments with an asian accent.. am I resist?

    It means you are true mjj

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  • satoriksatorik Member

    Stop buying, old, ancient, shitty, slow, chicken.
    Chicken farmer will be forced upgrade farm.

    Thanked by 1Rubben
  • PineappleMPineappleM Member

    @stxsh said:
    I started this thread from the first post.. at some point i started reading all the comments with an asian accent.. am I resist?

    Welcome to LET.

  • AspireHostingAspireHosting Member, Patron Provider
    edited May 2025

    redacted

    Nvm lol

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    "Chicken" is not as old as you might think for most purposes. Don't forget that, as in any other business, CPU vendors often market their new products as "better, faster, more efficient" and other similar terms, but if you compare the synthetic benchmarks, you will see that the difference in many cases is just 5-10% or even less. In some cases, you may not even notice any difference. In virtualization, most discussions about CPUs can be closed from the beginning, because the physical resources are virtualized, and the benchmark results of the virtualized CPU are far from those of the physical CPU, regardless of the model or type.

    Just don't expect 100 FPS from a VPS and look for specialized VPS offers that include a full set of features, high clock speed, etc.

    Thanked by 3Rubben HostSlick PineappleM
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @HostSlick said: (Hint; this is sarcastic. Altough you indeed can get V2 Trash at this price)

    So the product will be named

    Cash for Trash VPS - right?

    a damn, something is missing......

    Cash for Trash DDR Ignor - much better. :D

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