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I think, and both providers here can correct me, the best would be crypto, then CC (not through paypal).
huh i thought crypto processing fees and exchange fees are wildly high but i might have been wrong on that?
You would need to ask them. Some are using payment processors to accept bank transfers which will incur costs and others aren't, for example.
Depends on the coin and the payment processor but I believe a fair few are competing with CC costs
It will depend on specifically what they have available, but checks/ACH (in US) or money orders. Crypto (pending network fees/coin/their ability to save/spend/convert) usually a close 2nd if not tied.
The rest? Mostly almost all the same, but maybe pay longer-term up front. You'll see almost all providers give you a flat discount for annual+ and a big portion of that is processing fees when we're talking LE-world (the other portion is "we don't have to go back to marketing this or worrying about it for 12+ months").
The other way to make up for it? Genuinely recommend providers you like where you see a fit. That is worth so much more. I don't mean shilling, but active on Reddit? Forums? Private groups? Throw them out there, send people their way.
Honestly? Short answer: No.
Long answer: It depends, but probably no. Are you running a budget and shifting marketing spend from Google/Meta/Whatever to a partially-subsidized LE-deal? Do you value your/your employee's time? Is there a limitation on this to get people onto your platform and help you improve it in exchange for heavily discounted services, or are you trying to build a full-fledged business 40c/user at a time?
If you were to own the IP space, you'd be out ~$8k (average) for a /24. You can sell 253 VMs with that space, bringing you back about $1200/yr @ 0.40c/mo. That's 6.5 years to pay back just your IPv4 space while having to maintain customer support, hardware, network, etc for 253 services all for the remaining $0.
That's a lot of inaccurate assumptions such as you actually get the 0.40 into your account (you don't) and that the entirety of the funds goes towards your IPv4 space. You can also just rent a /24 out (and do nothing else but rent it) for almost the exact same price, maybe more. No overhead besides billing them once a year.
I know our cheapest plans w/IPv4 (anything that was sold in a qty above 5) were closer to the ~$0.97/mo range I believe. More than double, and this was mainly treated as a few things:
1. Money put towards subsidizing potential customers (and people giving us good, healthy feedback) rather than into Google
2. Hardware was already long owned, free and clear, otherwise not doing much (at that time)
3. Rackspace already existed, and speaking to us specifically: we were filling in the 1U-4U of space left over in racks that consisted of almost entirely GPU chassis. Those chassis need overhead of ~1.5-2kW minimum to be racked, so we often used to end up with a few U and ~600-1kW of "stranded power and space". It was being paid for no matter what by us because 9 GPU chassis already lived in that rack but you can't fit/balance a 10th.
Why not extend some deals? In the above case, I could make the argument that the power/space was $0, the already-owned hardware idle being "monetized" had a $0 cost-basis and our only real expenses would be bandwidth, IPv4, and support. I massively underestimated support/abuse burden. I wouldn't be surprised if MassiveGRID did something similar to what I did, and in certain (limited) circumstances it can be beneficial.
However to your original question: No, I do not believe you can build an entire business around that long term. It's a tool, to be used to help you construct a building.
i just used their server 10 days, and whole say server was down, just asking them to refund, they also ask me to provide 2 month free, did not allow it. just got refund.
i just used their server 10 days, and whole say server was down, just asking them to refund, they also ask me to provide 2 month free, did not allow it. just got refund.> @cosmossofa said:
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Thank you for taking the time to write that, I know your time is not cheap.
As a somewhat new hosting hobbyist some of the things you mentioned have never crossed my mind and they make a lot of sense now that I see it.
I absolutely believe they did. Especially the abuse part. I wish them luck but honestly don't have a lot of hope.
I did read your entire post and "posting proof and reports" doesn't turn a complaint into a review.
I don't know which product(s) you've got but with their still active massive sales/promo thread here I was led to think that you're "reviewing" that super-cheap product.
Pro tip: when "reviewing" something one should clearly say what one is "reviewing".
I agree - in theory. In real life though sellers have a strong tendency to not be honest in promos.
Absolutely. But can you show me a seller running a promo here who clearly and openly paint a clear and honest picture of their product incl. the ugly spots? I won't hold my breath ...
So what? As far as I can think back LET is and always was a SALES platform and providers bragging, and even spreading flat-out lies is "just normal". And most users with a working brain know that (and have given up on telling LET leadership to create a more balanced playground).
Yes, it's ugly, really really ugly but it's what it is.
If it weren't I wouldn't have dismissed it. Here it was all about how ridiculously cheap their offer was/is.
In mine as well - but not here. This is LET.
Of bloody course it is false advertisement! OTOH though it's so dirt cheap that even when it became obvious that MG's product and service are definitely not H/A, quite the contrary, people continued buying, buying, buying.
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I'd say most well established providers are pretty truthful about what is being offered. I would be interested in you, for example, pointing out any offer I made that isn't honest.
Maybe instead of relying on the leadership to take actions we should stop attacking people who post a negative review just because the service is cheap thus we should accept the poor results? :-)
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And as stated previously, it makes sense that people buy. If they don't deadpool then it is a great offer for what it is. Even with subpar performance and questionable stability it is an amazing offer for many use-cases. They do not need to sugarcoat it, but unfortunately they did, which is why a negative review such as this has full merit.
Preach it brotha!
LET = Corporate backed, sales platform masquerading as a "community."
LES = A true, low end niche community with some of the friendliest and most helpful people on the internet.
I really do wish LES would pick up steam from this steaming pile.
actually if you use a selfhosted instance of BTCPayServer (Namecheap does for example), you pay only the blockchain fee, in case of LTC is less than 5 cents, for BTC is somewhere around 30 cents for 10$ transaction
just my two cents.
Where y'all coming here means that either you are:
hobbyist looking for cheap servers and understand the risk
sales/owner of vps company looking to see the market and looking for strategies to sell leftover capacity
just looking around with some cash to spend and got nothing else to do
developer looking for a new playground
a bot
There you go, all buyers should understand the basic purpose coming in here with all the risk. Thats why I am happy to see some companies already been here for a few years and still alive. Thats a very good sign of a good company.
So, I know i am buying MG services, and also know it comes with the risk, that's why I mitigate the risk by sync backup to another server on another company. Does it eliminate the whole risk? Nope. At least that's what I am hoping for.
OP, I had warned earlier that massiveGrid will be a massiveScam.
the earlier you get out from it and go to reliable, affordable (not cheap) provider the better. Many providers are there on LET here. choose from them. Else use the vps only for non-production sites or as a VPN only.
I agree with you 100%
We've been in this LET community for several months now.
We can see that many providers are looking for a great deal just to sell a certain amount, gather as much as they can, and then close their business after three months.
Imagine prices of 8 GB for $5, or almost a dollar for 1 GB, minus the processor costs, IP costs, and personnel costs. It doesn't add up. If you look at their AS, just one block is impossible to pay salaries, taxes, etc.
I think that today, a cup of coffee costs more than having your website or online business!
I already have 2 backup plans. I use MG only for non critical business, however I find it unacceptable the uptime and quality of their service, no matter how much you pay.
I LOVE NUYEK
Sorry wrong thread
I was about to get one and just saw this thread
The quality of the VPS is terrible, this is a scam. The VPS has constant downtime and is unusable. Installing the OS took several hours, and installing the panel also took hours. The support is bad as well. Do not use services from here.
Just the fact that the super discounted plans are still available to buy when they should be gone weeks ago is highly suspicious. They no longer reply to extend the 4th year (which is still very optimistic proposition), the promised upgrades aren't happening.
Sure it's cheap to buy when you count it per year for 4 years but if they go under within a year you just paid $25-$30 for substandard product which isn't worth it. Another issue is that super cheap price attracts a lot of abusers which make the machines crawl anyway.