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Banned by xhosts web hosting for typing 'sudo' command once

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  • @Chellii said: my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    @letstayfree said: They banned [...] just due to sudo

    @itachikonoha said: But ban due to one

    Okay, so this sudoscanner just blocks your SSH access immediately, which requires you to open up a ticket to get unlocked (apparently).
    Since SSH is in anyway not the main intention for the service, I bet most things are configurable via a panel anyway. Please confirm or correct, again I am very certain about this without even being a customer of xHosts (other hosts do this exactly btw)

    So no, one single "sudo" does not get you banned, it just strips away a feature you might use (incorrectly at this time then) until you clarify your intentions with support

    And due to these tickets afterwards OP got kicked out, as his intentions with running shell commands (again, allegedly setting up a VPN) are not matching the providers product.

    If you run a lightweight discord/telegram bot, some kind of rsync cronjob or just even an API scraper for whatever reason, you'll likely (IMHO) stay within limits, but you need to know what to do in shared hosting, as these environments are different to VPS (yes also shared) or dedicated setups

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  • 1q11q1 Member

    @angstrom said: There's a proverb in English: "Curiosity killed the cat"

    "…but satisfaction brought it back"

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

  • sudo moveon

  • @xHosts said: That is a red flag.

    indeed. makes your decision clearer.

  • @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    👏👏👏

  • Found this on Google Discover, 🌞

  • @xHosts said:

    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    You guys win. I even didn't realize where the several times you asked me about what I will do by using the shell. I only send one reply in LETs, then you banned me.

    Let us review the whole story.

    1. I only typed a single sudo, then be banned. I opened a ticket. After that I send a reply post in other user's discussion.
    2. I said "And I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service Is there any document to show that?" in that post.
    3. Then I received a force refund, the reason in the ticket is I want to "test what is allowed and is not allowed".
    4. I post this discussion then you banned my xhosts accounts, which I cannot even open the ticket to get my backups.
    5. You guys make up that I posted:I want "test what is allowed and is not allowed".
    6. Then you found you may acknowledge the wrong person, mix me with @letstayfree, that I didn't post anything like that at all. So you guys just cut my sentence, only demonstrate this part "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service", said that was the meaning of "test what is allowed and is not allowed". Regarless there still other words after that sentence.

    BTW,I'm sorry about that I said "I did not said word like 'I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service'", I truly forget that, because cutting of the sentence change meaning of it. And my English is not that good. I had apologized several times for @xHosts , about this things and typing of sudo, but they even not admit for make up "test what is allowed and is not allowed".

    I come here is not asking for some compensation or other things. I just want to post my experience in the “Review” block. And what kind of company @xHosts truly is.

    I do not want to argue anymore, the whole thins are ridiculous, And you guys are unreasonable.

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    After a lengthy discussion with 20i system admin team (higher level support) regarding the questions raised by people within this thread.

    20i have drafted this support reply which should cover everything in question.


    We offer SSH access on our shared hosting platform to support legitimate website management tasks – such as editing files, using WP-CLI, managing Composer packages, or interacting with WordPress plugins. This access is available across all shared hosting packages to help users manage their sites more efficiently.

    However, this access comes with clear limitations. When users log in via SSH, they receive a Message of the Day (MOTD) that serves as a reminder: this is a shared hosting environment, not a private server. The MOTD outlines permitted tools, such as available PHP versions, WP-CLI, and Composer, and makes it clear that sudo is not permitted, nor is leaving the home directory. This message is informational only – actual access control is securely enforced at the system level.

    SSH on shared hosting is not intended for general Linux use, containerisation, installing third-party binaries, or running persistent services or daemons. These activities are explicitly prohibited under our Acceptable Use Policy. The environment is locked down – users cannot access other accounts or escalate permissions, and attempts to do so are blocked and logged. SSH sessions run in isolation and any attempt to bypass restrictions (e.g. using sudo or accessing unauthorised paths) triggers a security event, which typically results in SSH being disabled for that account. This does not affect the hosting or functionality of the website – only SSH access.

    You connect to our platform securely using key-based authentication, which is limited to the primary 20i account holder or those with access to a package via StackCP. As long as RSA keys are not shared, this remains a safe method of access.


  • ralfralf Member

    @Chellii said: I do not want to argue anymore, the whole thins are ridiculous, And you guys are unreasonable.

    ... and yet you are continuing to argue. You've got a full refund and learned a valuable lesson about what not to do at your next provider. You should just accept that continuing to complain isn't going to change anything.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    @emgh said:

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

    I 100% agree that jailed shell is annoying but I see it as what suits the needs of the customer, if unsure a few simple questions before buying can save a all this drama, but instead buy, go against the policy and warnings then blame the provider.

    On one time fee accounts it is far easier at the end of the day just to refund and let them move to another provider, although threads like this we will defend our brand and be as transparent as possible without revealing customers details or methods we follow that could be later exploited by people with nefarious intent at some time in the future.

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  • itachikonohaitachikonoha Member
    edited March 2025

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

    I 100% agree that jailed shell is annoying but I see it as what suits the needs of the customer, if unsure a few simple questions before buying can save a all this drama, but instead buy, go against the policy and warnings then blame the provider.

    On one time fee accounts it is far easier at the end of the day just to refund and let them move to another provider, although threads like this we will defend our brand and be as transparent as possible without revealing customers details or methods we follow that could be later exploited by people with nefarious intent at some time in the future.

    Just to be clear, you can make a documentation about what commands are allowed in ssh. Include the link somewhere in the panel so that customers can be aware of what commands are whitelisted.

    Saves time both of you and the buyers.

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  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    @itachikonoha said:
    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

    I 100% agree that jailed shell is annoying but I see it as what suits the needs of the customer, if unsure a few simple questions before buying can save a all this drama, but instead buy, go against the policy and warnings then blame the provider.

    On one time fee accounts it is far easier at the end of the day just to refund and let them move to another provider, although threads like this we will defend our brand and be as transparent as possible without revealing customers details or methods we follow that could be later exploited by people with nefarious intent at some time in the future.

    Just to be clear, you can make a documentation about what commands are allowed in ssh. Include the link somewhere in the panel so that customers can be aware of what commands are whitelisted.

    Saves time both of you and the buyers.

    There is a basic KB link at the top of the panel that outlines SSH, but I will take the suggestion and may write something to include future ads.

    This this the first instance of this type of issue, we have had people in the past issue a sudo command in error or been transparent in what they are trying to do and after a cival chat it has been resolved, when a person refuses to be transparent in their intent that is what will cause I would think 99% of providers to question if that customer is suitable to their services and if not simply cancel and refund to prevent any hassle or issues at a later date is what we did in this instance.

  • ralfralf Member

    @itachikonoha said:
    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

    I 100% agree that jailed shell is annoying but I see it as what suits the needs of the customer, if unsure a few simple questions before buying can save a all this drama, but instead buy, go against the policy and warnings then blame the provider.

    On one time fee accounts it is far easier at the end of the day just to refund and let them move to another provider, although threads like this we will defend our brand and be as transparent as possible without revealing customers details or methods we follow that could be later exploited by people with nefarious intent at some time in the future.

    Just to be clear, you can make a documentation about what commands are allowed in ssh. Include the link somewhere in the panel so that customers can be aware of what commands are whitelisted.

    Saves time both of you and the buyers.

    It's not about what commands are and aren't allowed, it's the intention with with you use them.

    For instance, ls, cat, cp are all innocent enough when used on your own files. But on a shared host, you could for instance figure out how the file system is laid out and then go hunting for public files belonging to someone else. Just because they're world-readable, doesn't mean you are supposed to be able to read them. For instance a PHP file would be world-readable so the HTTP server can run it and serve it to the public, but by looking at the source you might be able to discover an exploit.

    Poking around system files, running privileged commands (even without a warning, what did the OP think was gonna happen running sudo?), installing anything that would consume significant resources over just a standard website are (I assume) all off limits on a shared hosting plan.

    Even as someone who's never bought such a service, it's obvious to me that you're meant to be using SSH for things like SCP'ing your files to your space, maybe rsync, maybe wget and tar, etc. Anything more than that, like installing and running things that might take up CPU time, you should have explicitly bought a server that advertises a shell account, because a shared hosting plan is designed to share a server across many, many more customers than you'd be able to serve on a shared shell account or VM.

    But if you really want a list of absolutely allowed commands, I'd suggest: exit.

  • @ralf said:

    @itachikonoha said:
    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

    I 100% agree that jailed shell is annoying but I see it as what suits the needs of the customer, if unsure a few simple questions before buying can save a all this drama, but instead buy, go against the policy and warnings then blame the provider.

    On one time fee accounts it is far easier at the end of the day just to refund and let them move to another provider, although threads like this we will defend our brand and be as transparent as possible without revealing customers details or methods we follow that could be later exploited by people with nefarious intent at some time in the future.

    Just to be clear, you can make a documentation about what commands are allowed in ssh. Include the link somewhere in the panel so that customers can be aware of what commands are whitelisted.

    Saves time both of you and the buyers.

    It's not about what commands are and aren't allowed, it's the intention with with you use them.

    For instance, ls, cat, cp are all innocent enough when used on your own files. But on a shared host, you could for instance figure out how the file system is laid out and then go hunting for public files belonging to someone else. Just because they're world-readable, doesn't mean you are supposed to be able to read them. For instance a PHP file would be world-readable so the HTTP server can run it and serve it to the public, but by looking at the source you might be able to discover an exploit.

    Poking around system files, running privileged commands (even without a warning, what did the OP think was gonna happen running sudo?), installing anything that would consume significant resources over just a standard website are (I assume) all off limits on a shared hosting plan.

    Even as someone who's never bought such a service, it's obvious to me that you're meant to be using SSH for things like SCP'ing your files to your space, maybe rsync, maybe wget and tar, etc. Anything more than that, like installing and running things that might take up CPU time, you should have explicitly bought a server that advertises a shell account, because a shared hosting plan is designed to share a server across many, many more customers than you'd be able to serve on a shared shell account or VM.

    But if you really want a list of absolutely allowed commands, I'd suggest: exit.

    Read the documentation of 20i platform and follow up discussion regarding sudo and related commands. They have already laid out various scenarios. It's not about subjective speculation but what actual documentation says of the concerned platform (20i in this case). Just follow theirs and one should be fine.

    If you don't trust the documentation of the platform itself, then that's a different subject altogether.

  • Millions were lost handling this case. Billions were made with free publicity.

  • @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    Don't be so disgusting OK?
    It’s not about writing more to sound reasonable. If you have the guts, go ahead and keep locking the device without offering a refund. Can you act like a decent person? I told you long ago that it wasn’t suitable for me, so I requested a refund, but you refused. You’re flaunting just four commands as if they were some great achievement—don’t you feel ashamed?

    As a rational person, what’s wrong with trying out my new machine? Just because you’re a hosting provider and have some supporters doesn’t mean you’re always in the right. So, if it’s not a VPS, I can’t even try using sudo? Smoking is harmful to health, yet people still smoke. Drinking too much water can be fatal, yet people still drink water. Running a sudo command to test a script is some kind of unforgivable crime?

  • @ralf said:

    @itachikonoha said:
    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:

    @xHosts said:

    @emgh said:
    jailed ssh is cringe as fuck

    If you don't want jailed SSH, it is simple to just get a VPS/dedicated server then you are free to do anything you wish. If you are on something shared everyone needs to be safe at the end of the day.

    This package was £3.50 one time as a limited time offer, if a person is going to waste a lot of hours over trying their luck of "testing" after notices give a polite warning not to do certain things but still have a refund rather than argue for hours they create a thread such as this with the hope everyone will side with them.

    Yes, nothing against you at all, just the concept, I don't like it. I blame the OP for buying.

    If one really wants to use SSH properly a VPS is a must IMO. Jailed is just annoying.

    I 100% agree that jailed shell is annoying but I see it as what suits the needs of the customer, if unsure a few simple questions before buying can save a all this drama, but instead buy, go against the policy and warnings then blame the provider.

    On one time fee accounts it is far easier at the end of the day just to refund and let them move to another provider, although threads like this we will defend our brand and be as transparent as possible without revealing customers details or methods we follow that could be later exploited by people with nefarious intent at some time in the future.

    Just to be clear, you can make a documentation about what commands are allowed in ssh. Include the link somewhere in the panel so that customers can be aware of what commands are whitelisted.

    Saves time both of you and the buyers.

    It's not about what commands are and aren't allowed, it's the intention with with you use them.

    For instance, ls, cat, cp are all innocent enough when used on your own files. But on a shared host, you could for instance figure out how the file system is laid out and then go hunting for public files belonging to someone else. Just because they're world-readable, doesn't mean you are supposed to be able to read them. For instance a PHP file would be world-readable so the HTTP server can run it and serve it to the public, but by looking at the source you might be able to discover an exploit.

    Poking around system files, running privileged commands (even without a warning, what did the OP think was gonna happen running sudo?), installing anything that would consume significant resources over just a standard website are (I assume) all off limits on a shared hosting plan.

    Even as someone who's never bought such a service, it's obvious to me that you're meant to be using SSH for things like SCP'ing your files to your space, maybe rsync, maybe wget and tar, etc. Anything more than that, like installing and running things that might take up CPU time, you should have explicitly bought a server that advertises a shell account, because a shared hosting plan is designed to share a server across many, many more customers than you'd be able to serve on a shared shell account or VM.

    But if you really want a list of absolutely allowed commands, I'd suggest: exit.

    @ralf said:

    @Chellii said: I do not want to argue anymore, the whole thins are ridiculous, And you guys are unreasonable.

    ... and yet you are continuing to argue. You've got a full refund and learned a valuable lesson about what not to do at your next provider. You should just accept that continuing to complain isn't going to change anything.

    Bro you win and hope you can get the giveaways by xhost as you can please them very well

  • FreekFreek Member

    People nowadays don't seem to realize that actions have consequences.

    Thanked by 2xHosts beanman109
  • ralfralf Member

    @letstayfree said:

    @ralf said: stuff

    Bro you win and hope you can get the giveaways by xhost as you can please them very well

    I have no intention of ever using a shared hosting plan as I have plenty of VPS and dedis to host from. I was just explaining that it's pretty obvious what the limitations of a shared hosting plan are.

    Thanked by 2xHosts cainyxues
  • @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    Don't be so disgusting OK?
    It’s not about writing more to sound reasonable. If you have the guts, go ahead and keep locking the device without offering a refund. Can you act like a decent person? I told you long ago that it wasn’t suitable for me, so I requested a refund, but you refused. You’re flaunting just four commands as if they were some great achievement—don’t you feel ashamed?

    As a rational person, what’s wrong with trying out my new machine? Just because you’re a hosting provider and have some supporters doesn’t mean you’re always in the right. So, if it’s not a VPS, I can’t even try using sudo? Smoking is harmful to health, yet people still smoke. Drinking too much water can be fatal, yet people still drink water. Running a sudo command to test a script is some kind of unforgivable crime?

    Can you show the messages?

    Because there are allegations but no evidence as of yet.

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    Don't be so disgusting OK?
    It’s not about writing more to sound reasonable. If you have the guts, go ahead and keep locking the device without offering a refund. Can you act like a decent person? I told you long ago that it wasn’t suitable for me, so I requested a refund, but you refused. You’re flaunting just four commands as if they were some great achievement—don’t you feel ashamed?

    As a rational person, what’s wrong with trying out my new machine? Just because you’re a hosting provider and have some supporters doesn’t mean you’re always in the right. So, if it’s not a VPS, I can’t even try using sudo? Smoking is harmful to health, yet people still smoke. Drinking too much water can be fatal, yet people still drink water. Running a sudo command to test a script is some kind of unforgivable crime?

    You only demanded a refund after abuse on multiple occasions, demanding the entire security policy is changed just for your needs, no provider will change their entire setup of their company for one client.

    No matter how many times or ways you try to justify your actions after us spending hours working with 20i support discussing your account. You demanded the refund, this was rejected.

    You attempted to dispute the payment on PayPal and that case was closed in our favour after we supplied the evidence of your abuse, ticket submissions and logs.

    I hope a provider here on LET is able to reach out and provide you shared hosting that will allow you to run a script that will allow you to bypass the firewall in China

  • @xHosts said:

    @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    Don't be so disgusting OK?
    It’s not about writing more to sound reasonable. If you have the guts, go ahead and keep locking the device without offering a refund. Can you act like a decent person? I told you long ago that it wasn’t suitable for me, so I requested a refund, but you refused. You’re flaunting just four commands as if they were some great achievement—don’t you feel ashamed?

    As a rational person, what’s wrong with trying out my new machine? Just because you’re a hosting provider and have some supporters doesn’t mean you’re always in the right. So, if it’s not a VPS, I can’t even try using sudo? Smoking is harmful to health, yet people still smoke. Drinking too much water can be fatal, yet people still drink water. Running a sudo command to test a script is some kind of unforgivable crime?

    You only demanded a refund after abuse on multiple occasions, demanding the entire security policy is changed just for your needs, no provider will change their entire setup of their company for one client.

    No matter how many times or ways you try to justify your actions after us spending hours working with 20i support discussing your account. You demanded the refund, this was rejected.

    You attempted to dispute the payment on PayPal and that case was closed in our favour after we supplied the evidence of your abuse, ticket submissions and logs.

    I hope a provider here on LET is able to reach out and provide you shared hosting that will allow you to run a script that will allow you to bypass the firewall in China

    Can you just tell all the truth instead of mixing with some truth and some false sentences?

    You just terminated my service without any kind of warning, now you told me you were hard working on bring my service back from 20i. Can you be a bit more honest?

    Alright, you keep bringing up the fact that I used a VPN script—aren’t you just trying to smear me for abuse? You keep repeating that there were only four commands, yet you go out of your way to make sure bystanders see the keyword “VPN,” reinforcing the impression that I’m just some idiot desperately trying to bypass restrictions.

    Fine, you win. Yes, it’s a fact that people in China need a VPN, but that doesn’t mean you get to use it as a weapon to slander others.

    Forget it, you win. I have to admit, your customer service skills are impressive—you managed to put together such a well-structured, half-true to-do list in no time. And you even pressured that guy into apologizing to you repeatedly. You win, okay? I give up.

  • omg......

  • Tldr:
    OP bought a small webhosting plan for a 4€ one time fee. Trying to run sudo commands in jailed ssh, lying to hoster when plan got disabled and asked what his intensions was to run this commands and raised some red flags. Hoster refunds him 100% and still being nice in the thread. Hoster explains multiple times why they are refusing him further service. OP still crying. OP still won't understand. LET-community likes popcorn and drama so thread will continue.

  • @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    Don't be so disgusting OK?
    It’s not about writing more to sound reasonable. If you have the guts, go ahead and keep locking the device without offering a refund. Can you act like a decent person? I told you long ago that it wasn’t suitable for me, so I requested a refund, but you refused. You’re flaunting just four commands as if they were some great achievement—don’t you feel ashamed?

    As a rational person, what’s wrong with trying out my new machine? Just because you’re a hosting provider and have some supporters doesn’t mean you’re always in the right. So, if it’s not a VPS, I can’t even try using sudo? Smoking is harmful to health, yet people still smoke. Drinking too much water can be fatal, yet people still drink water. Running a sudo command to test a script is some kind of unforgivable crime?

    You only demanded a refund after abuse on multiple occasions, demanding the entire security policy is changed just for your needs, no provider will change their entire setup of their company for one client.

    No matter how many times or ways you try to justify your actions after us spending hours working with 20i support discussing your account. You demanded the refund, this was rejected.

    You attempted to dispute the payment on PayPal and that case was closed in our favour after we supplied the evidence of your abuse, ticket submissions and logs.

    I hope a provider here on LET is able to reach out and provide you shared hosting that will allow you to run a script that will allow you to bypass the firewall in China

    Can you just tell all the truth instead of mixing with some truth and some false sentences?

    You just terminated my service without any kind of warning, now you told me you were hard working on bring my service back from 20i. Can you be a bit more honest?

    Alright, you keep bringing up the fact that I used a VPN script—aren’t you just trying to smear me for abuse? You keep repeating that there were only four commands, yet you go out of your way to make sure bystanders see the keyword “VPN,” reinforcing the impression that I’m just some idiot desperately trying to bypass restrictions.

    Fine, you win. Yes, it’s a fact that people in China need a VPN, but that doesn’t mean you get to use it as a weapon to slander others.

    Forget it, you win. I have to admit, your customer service skills are impressive—you managed to put together such a well-structured, half-true to-do list in no time. And you even pressured that guy into apologizing to you repeatedly. You win, okay? I give up.

    What do you think of Taiwan? What happened 1989 on the Tiananmen Square?

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    @letstayfree said:

    @xHosts said:

    Stop your try to please them. Do you know why they refund you?? Just because i started a debate on PayPal after they denied to refund me after terminated my service without any kind of warning.

    You are a lucky one after trying sudo

    This user in question was vague from their post here it was very clear the service would not be suitable for him.

    If you want your case discussed here, you became blocked for attempting to run this on a shared hosting platform

    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release

    downloading this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    Attempting to run and bind these to ports on the server

    While at the same time, when we looked at your account the fake details you supplied, combine that with attempting to run these types of scripts on a shared platform.

    That is a red flag.

    @Chellii said:

    @xHosts said:
    We have been selling 20i shared hosting since 2017 and had only a handful of issues although selling a number of monthly accounts in that time which covers the costs to allow us to provide these one time fee deals from time to time.

    The only time there appears to be issues would be when people attempt to be smart and test how far they are able to push a standard account before something happens.

    As most people would know standard SSH access on a shared platform is for such things as importing database, debug/test cron, edit or move files around standard directories.

    20i works differently to the likes of cPanel/Directadmin, the best suggestion no matter the provider, if you are unsure ask a question to get the information you need before either ordering or attempting what you intend to do, asking the question can avoid most issues.

    As proven here there are always a few who attempt to take things to the extreme in cases rather than make contact or feel they have the right to dictate how a provider implements their rules and polices.

    I have asked a lot of these questions directly to 20i to get some clear cut information

    This is the response so far


    To lay some groundwork, SSH on our shared hosting platform (which Reseller utilises) is intended for managing the files and database via common file operations, the MySQL CLI, and other applications such as WP CLI or Composer.

    The reason sudo is blocked rather than ignored is because on a simple level, this is the more secure option - it allows us time to investigate any potential threats or malicious use, such as ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned earlier in which your user was banned previously. As a secondary effect, it does force a ticket for it to be unblocked, meaning that we can go over the rules pertaining to sudo being a disallowed command on the shared hosting platform.

    If a user does require using such commands, Self-Managed VPS' are a better option, since they're wholly managed by the user themselves and can run these types of command without a block.

    I have confirmed with a colleague that writing to /tmp is allowed, and can be done without leaving the home directory, but it is monitored for security purposes in the same vein as other commands being ran - again, such as the commands used in the case of ticket XXXXXXXXXXXX.

    I've set this ticket to be reopened for tomorrow as per my colleague Marc's suggestion as well - we'll let you know ASAP once we have word back. :)


    I have redacted ticket/case numbers for security of the clients in question.

    I understand the reason 'sudo' cannot be used. but you cannot block my account due to once single world 'sudo' typed.

    I apologized for the incontinence that due to my poor English. I posted "I still want to find what kind of operation are forbidden in this service". But the sentence followed by "Is there any document to show that?"

    As a user, I just want to found the docs, like "you will be banned forever if you use 'sudo'"

    Events that lead to your account being closed and refunded instantly

    • You contacted to tell us you had been blocked from SSH for using the sudo command in error
    • We replyed to ask, what you intended to do in SSH before unblocking to ensure your use case was going to be suitable for the service
    • You replied with vague replies
    • We asked again
    • Again more vague replies
    • We asked a third time
    • You posted the above post in the screenshot
    • This all raised red flags, that you cannot be straight with us telling is what you intend to do
    • You posted publicly stating you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden

    If someone uses sudo by accident or becomes blocked, the request to become unblocked will be reviewed and SSH history checked, to see if information on how it became blocked matches the logs.

    IF you had been straight with us, gave us clear replies on what you intend to do, possibly there would be no issues, but combine being vague a number of times and posting on LET you wish to keep "testing" what is forbidden"

    Look at that also from a business point of view, you bought a one time fee £3.50 account, while we will be happy to help customers who face issues such as script install issues, importing databases for example we are happy to support. When it comes to what will become a timepit of unblocking SSH over and over it is not viable as a business as that will be taking up valuable time for customers who made need support on a real issues that has not been self imposed. If you had contacted us to ask questions what is allowed and not, we can help you.

    The mix of you being evasive and your post stating you wish to "test" what is forbidden is what lead to your account being closed and refunded.

    Don't be so disgusting OK?
    It’s not about writing more to sound reasonable. If you have the guts, go ahead and keep locking the device without offering a refund. Can you act like a decent person? I told you long ago that it wasn’t suitable for me, so I requested a refund, but you refused. You’re flaunting just four commands as if they were some great achievement—don’t you feel ashamed?

    As a rational person, what’s wrong with trying out my new machine? Just because you’re a hosting provider and have some supporters doesn’t mean you’re always in the right. So, if it’s not a VPS, I can’t even try using sudo? Smoking is harmful to health, yet people still smoke. Drinking too much water can be fatal, yet people still drink water. Running a sudo command to test a script is some kind of unforgivable crime?

    You only demanded a refund after abuse on multiple occasions, demanding the entire security policy is changed just for your needs, no provider will change their entire setup of their company for one client.

    No matter how many times or ways you try to justify your actions after us spending hours working with 20i support discussing your account. You demanded the refund, this was rejected.

    You attempted to dispute the payment on PayPal and that case was closed in our favour after we supplied the evidence of your abuse, ticket submissions and logs.

    I hope a provider here on LET is able to reach out and provide you shared hosting that will allow you to run a script that will allow you to bypass the firewall in China

    Can you just tell all the truth instead of mixing with some truth and some false sentences?

    You just terminated my service without any kind of warning, now you told me you were hard working on bring my service back from 20i. Can you be a bit more honest?

    Alright, you keep bringing up the fact that I used a VPN script—aren’t you just trying to smear me for abuse? You keep repeating that there were only four commands, yet you go out of your way to make sure bystanders see the keyword “VPN,” reinforcing the impression that I’m just some idiot desperately trying to bypass restrictions.

    Fine, you win. Yes, it’s a fact that people in China need a VPN, but that doesn’t mean you get to use it as a weapon to slander others.

    Forget it, you win. I have to admit, your customer service skills are impressive—you managed to put together such a well-structured, half-true to-do list in no time. And you even pressured that guy into apologizing to you repeatedly. You win, okay? I give up.

    Slander ? This only proves how much you understand you broke the rules

    We have a number of customers who use the correct service for a VPN, such as VPS or Dedicated server.

    Your account attempted to run this

    ls
    lsb_release -a
    cat /etc/os-release
    and the sudo command

    SSH became block, we spoke with 20i and your account block was removed

    Within 1 hour you replied to the ticket again telling us you had been blocked again, 20i this time reviewed the logs more closely,

    Found you had tried to download and run this

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/sb.sh
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yonggekkk/sing-box-yg/main/serv00.sh

    The docs advise Serv00 or VPS

    20i once they reviewed you had tried a number of commands and tried to setup this saw your account high risk and refused to unblock it and instead of just removing your SSH access as your account was going to be of a very high risk disabled the entire account.

    We had explained on the first instance regarding sudo, you ignored that discussion and within 30 minutes had been blocked again for trying to install that script.

    You can spend all day attempting to justify your actions, PayPal decided you had broken the rules, 20i blocked your entire account, we spent time working with you, working on your account, advising why a policy that works for thousands hosted on 20i would not be changed to just for you on a shared platform.

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