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Worldstream rising prices / looking for alternative

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  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited March 2025

    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN and setup a vlan for our servers.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

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  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @MannDude said:
    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

    Maybe Dataone in Wormer? Spectraip, Skb entperise and alsycon. They probably can offer.

    Thanked by 1MannDude
  • @TheGreatOakley said: 1GBps unmetered

    I think I forgot to mention important part that the 1GBps port is dedicated and not shared.

  • @MannDude said:
    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN and setup a vlan for our servers.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

    U can have a look here etheron.eu.
    Using them for some months now.

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad
    edited March 2025

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @TheGreatOakley said: 1GBps unmetered

    I think I forgot to mention important part that the 1GBps port is dedicated and not shared.

    Hetzner / OVH if EU locations are fine

    If you need to stay with Netherlands id probably go with tube-hosting afaik all dedicated servers come with 10g port by default - you can speak to support who will offer you a custom plan with different disks etc etc, very helpful

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  • @allthemtings said: If you need to stay with Netherlands id probably go with tube-hosting afaik all dedicated servers come with 10g port by default - you can speak to support who will offer you a custom plan with different disks etc etc, very helpful

    They only provide VPS? I don't see any dedicated servers on their website.

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @allthemtings said: If you need to stay with Netherlands id probably go with tube-hosting afaik all dedicated servers come with 10g port by default - you can speak to support who will offer you a custom plan with different disks etc etc, very helpful

    They only provide VPS? I don't see any dedicated servers on their website.

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  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @allthemtings said:

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @allthemtings said: If you need to stay with Netherlands id probably go with tube-hosting afaik all dedicated servers come with 10g port by default - you can speak to support who will offer you a custom plan with different disks etc etc, very helpful

    They only provide VPS? I don't see any dedicated servers on their website.

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  • BackboneDirectBackboneDirect Member, Host Rep

    @MannDude said:
    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN and setup a vlan for our servers.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

    If we (Backbone.direct / DataBarn) can do anything to help in the decision making, feel free to reach out ofcourse ;)!

    Thanked by 1MannDude
  • JordJord Moderator, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    @Zerpy said:

    @Levi said:
    To pull cPanel - to lock in customer as much as possible and than bend it over and fck deep in the ass upon investors changing.

    They increase prices once a year, based on when your service was activated. So signing up in April 2025? Then your 4% is April 2026.

    It's 4%, and if you don't like that as a customer, you can sign up for any other provider which doesn't do 4% yearly but instead hit you with 10, 20, 30% every 2-4 years because "market changed".

    But I guess you're just salty, and that's ok, luckily you can always keep switching providers to keep your $7/mo pricing

    I'd rather 4% each year, than 30% and a decrease in service as well, less bandwidth and DDoS protection. Wouldn't be so bad if they kept the service the same.

  • @allthemtings said:

    @allthemtings said:

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @allthemtings said: If you need to stay with Netherlands id probably go with tube-hosting afaik all dedicated servers come with 10g port by default - you can speak to support who will offer you a custom plan with different disks etc etc, very helpful

    They only provide VPS? I don't see any dedicated servers on their website.

    I see, they don't show it on the main page, you have to go the pricing. 60 EUR Intel server with 10Gbps port? There has to be a catch or FUP. What the is bandwidth limit? Looks too good to be true.

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @allthemtings said:

    @allthemtings said:

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @allthemtings said: If you need to stay with Netherlands id probably go with tube-hosting afaik all dedicated servers come with 10g port by default - you can speak to support who will offer you a custom plan with different disks etc etc, very helpful

    They only provide VPS? I don't see any dedicated servers on their website.

    I see, they don't show it on the main page, you have to go the pricing. 60 EUR Intel server with 10Gbps port? There has to be a catch or FUP. What the is bandwidth limit? Looks too good to be true.

    There is no catch, I have personally used tube-hosting for years and haven't had a warning or been limited for traffic use - Obviously do your own research, support on discord/skype can be pretty slow at times but that's like any provider

  • @allthemtings said: There is no catch, I have personally used tube-hosting for years and haven't had a warning or been limited for traffic use - Obviously do your own research, support on discord/skype can be pretty slow at times but that's like any provider

    Do you have by any chance YABS or speedtests?

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @TheGreatOakley said:

    @allthemtings said: There is no catch, I have personally used tube-hosting for years and haven't had a warning or been limited for traffic use - Obviously do your own research, support on discord/skype can be pretty slow at times but that's like any provider

    Do you have by any chance YABS or speedtests?

    I dont actually have any current servers with them (lol) the project i had ended so i ended my servers there, but they are always my go to in EU especially on a 10g port with Ryzens

  • @MannDude said: It's too bad, Worldstream is pretty premium. No complaints in regards to the service they offered.

    While our pricing isn't increasing for our existing servers, or at least we've not yet been told, they can no longer honor our pricing on new deployments moving forward. So we haven't introduced any stock in a bit and are planning on moving to a new DC in Amsterdam proper in the coming months. It's a shame, too. We're spending about $5K/mo here and there doesn't seem to wiggle room or negotiation available to let us maintain our existing pricing on some custom builds to keep us. I've already let the small number of dedicated server clients know they need a new home by September 1st, I'm not interested in trying to migrate them, too. We'll send a proper announcement out about VPS migrations once we've got something more certain set in stone.

    But hey, that's business.

    Yes, This is the thing to do. We moved away from Worldstream earlier this year after they essentially "kicked us out" after 15 years of colocation and server rentals. Their reason? A ChatGPT "Hope this message finds you well" message stating that having "offshore" and "privacy-focused" on our website no longer aligned with their new management's policies.

    We were also spending several thousand dollars per month with them, yet they made it clear they had no interest in keeping long term clients. Definitely disappointing. Missing Lennert and Dirk they actually cared about their business.

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @btchost said: Lennert and Dirk

    Love them.

    They were very helpful and on top of most things when I had servers at WorldStream between 2009-2012.

  • RoyaleHostingRoyaleHosting Member, Patron Provider

    @MannDude said:
    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN and setup a vlan for our servers.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

    We would be happy to help out! where can we contact you? :)

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    @RoyaleHosting said:

    @MannDude said:
    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN and setup a vlan for our servers.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

    We would be happy to help out! where can we contact you? :)

    My details are on file. ;)

    I moved our WHMCS install and the EU mirror of our site over to you when Path was falling apart a month or so ago. I think I opened a ticket about colo some time back as well but it's waiting for my response.

    Otherwise, you can shoot me a PM.

  • RoyaleHostingRoyaleHosting Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2025

    @MannDude said:

    @RoyaleHosting said:

    @MannDude said:
    If anyone knows of a reputable provider in NL who is not in SkyLink or similar, let me know. Specifically if they offer LTO, colo or will do volume discounts on custom Epyc configs and announce our IP space / ASN and setup a vlan for our servers.

    Pretty sure I have made a decision on what I'm doing here but wouldn't mind weighing some more more options. Good chance we will end up in DataBarn but I've not said "yes" to anything yet.

    We would be happy to help out! where can we contact you? :)

    My details are on file. ;)

    I moved our WHMCS install and the EU mirror of our site over to you when Path was falling apart a month or so ago. I think I opened a ticket about colo some time back as well but it's waiting for my response.

    Otherwise, you can shoot me a PM.

    Awesome! ;) contacted you

  • Got counter offer from Worldstream, lmao.

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  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @TheGreatOakley said:
    Got counter offer from Worldstream, lmao.

    charge back yesterday

  • I've heard from other providers at Skylink say they are completely sold out and have no room.

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended
    edited March 2025

    @concept said:
    I've heard from other providers at Skylink say they are completely sold out and have no room.

    Sector D being built out until summer. Space for +250-300 Racks.
    There is also arround 90 Racks on the waiting list for that already i Heard.
    We get another batch of Racks for ourself as well when built out. Until that we are working on our network and POP NIKHEF etc etc. Next week we have 3x100G GTT ready finally for ourself as additional capacity

    So until that is full. We are also deploying Space in Our Last Rack.

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  • HostDZireHostDZire Member, Patron Provider
    edited December 2025

    @Levi said:

    @allthemtings said:
    Leaseweb reseller such as @HostDZire can probably offer you something a lot more competitive price wise

    Leaseweb is notorious for increasing price regularly, a.k.a. pulling cPanel. So, be aware...

    Leaseweb has 4% price increase each year.
    This rule came after energy price increased in EU significantly

    Even in bad times they did increased like only 5 Euro for 2U servers.
    And about 3 euros for 1U servers.

    Which was totally fine with me.
    And this 4% increase came after that, so they can be bit safe from energy price increase.

    But 93 Euros to 135 Euros is very big jump about 45% from original price.

    Anyone would move if price change like this will happen to anyone.

    Cpanel price increase is not their fault, its cpanel who increases price frequently :D

  • looks like Worldstream is a small company, they can not get the lowest price from their supplier

  • Take a note, that existing hardware price does not increase, only new one. If you get charged more for the same hardware citing ram price boom - it is greed in action.

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  • @Levi said:
    it is greed in action.

    Yah!

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @TheGreatOakley said:
    Got recently email from Worldstream that they are rising prices for my dedi. I did lock in for 1 year with this good spec, but perhaps it's time to move. Renewal is coming up soon.

    Intel Xeon E3-1230v6
    Memory: 16GB
    1x 1TB HDD
    1GBps unmetered

    Any suggestions which providers can match or close the deal for ~100 EUR / 1GBps unmetered in Netherlands? From quick search I only found Novogara, but they look shady. Never had any issues with Worldstream, but I hate this type of price bumps, wish I signed 3 year contract with them.

    For a start that's very expensive.
    Plus "unmetered" is the trap because (a) you don't get it anyway (but 100 TB), and (b) you are likely to end up with the provider calculating based on the assumption that you'll use about 360 TB/month.

    Hence:

    • ask for a fixed amount of monthly traffic. In your case 100 TB seem to have been enough, but whatever it is ask for a fixed traffic volume plus also ask for the cost per 10 TB on top.
    • you seem to not need lots of processor performance, so either use that flexibility -or- think about how to use more processor power
    • you have spinning rust storage. Either (for the kind of price you seem willing to pay) look for SSD storage -or- pay much less (for spinning rust).
    • quite likely the major reason for price increases, at least in EU-rope, are to cope with actually drastically increased energy cost and you are very unlikely to avoid that, except for very few countries like e.g. Hungary

    My colleague and friend (and I) pays far less than you at AlphaVPS / @AlexBarakov who not only offer very reasonable pricing but also excellent support. In case I would need another dedi that's the first place I'd look at. The other option I'd consider is a Kimsufi, but I'd strongly prefer to go with AlphaVPS.

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep

    Strange thing from the data we have is that the number of customers who leave due to a price rise is largely the same regardless of if its 4% (or whatever CPI is that year) or 10%. For many businesses it hence makes sense to do 10%, 20% whatever rather than yearly increases.

    @Zerpy said:

    @Levi said:
    To pull cPanel - to lock in customer as much as possible and than bend it over and fck deep in the ass upon investors changing.

    They increase prices once a year, based on when your service was activated. So signing up in April 2025? Then your 4% is April 2026.

    It's 4%, and if you don't like that as a customer, you can sign up for any other provider which doesn't do 4% yearly but instead hit you with 10, 20, 30% every 2-4 years because "market changed".

    But I guess you're just salty, and that's ok, luckily you can always keep switching providers to keep your $7/mo pricing

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