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  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    @cainyxues said:

    @beanman109 said:

    @FAT32 said: Either way I am unfortunately still not sure how to best handle scalpers.

    Wait weren't you selling yours to MJJs :lol: :joy:

    i donate all the proceeds to jbilohs pockets i get the pass

  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
    edited February 2025

    @dedipromo said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @nullnothere said:

    @FAT32 said:
    I hate to be that guy, but I vote for no transfer except as a giveaway in this thread.

    I'm definitely on the fence here. In the frenzy (mea culpa of course), I end up buying things in a hurry without always being right. Sometimes, a little later there's another opportunity to fix things (like 2G vs 4G or location). So you end up with both.

    I'd rather be able to transfer some of the less useful (to me) ones to someone else (defintely not profiteering if that's the main concern).

    Not being able to upgrade is also an issue - that would be my first priority (e.g. 2G to 4G or 500GB storage to 1TB or something similar).

    I hear you though on preventing the pure scalping aspect but I don't quite know how to regulate and also maybe help the genuine users who do make mistakes as well.

    I hope there's a decent middle ground to allow a little more balanced options.

    I think the issue here is I would prefer an option that's easier for the provider. They already have quite some workload and I dont hope they have to add even more load because of it.

    Giveaway on the other hand feels fair because it also creates interaction in this thread thus drive more views etc, so provider have more incentive on allowing it.

    Either way I am unfortunately still not sure how to best handle scalpers.

    A ~15 to $20 transfer fee makes sense in this case. Service transfer does create additional workload on the provider end, but a $15 to $20 transfer fee should be more than enough to cover it. I'd be happy to do that if I were the provider, given that both clients have accounts in good standing. It also significantly reduces the scalpers' profit margin.

    It makes sense for a high value deals, but lets say if I were to transfer a $10/yr VPS for free (or for exactly $10), the transfer fee will then be a bit too high. What I am proposing is giving it for free while trying to help increase engagement should be granted fee exemption.

    (Since theres no easy way to tell whether theres any money involved behind the scene, a public giveaway will then be fair)

  • SvalbardSvalbard Member
    edited February 2025

    @nullnothere said:

    @Svalbard said: Flash sales are for users who need to use the same configuration and location to own and use it at a lower price.

    Mistakes have happened, wrong products are selected, locations may be different. Sometimes it's all right to "pay" for your error. Sometimes it's good to be able to give it away to someone who has a better use case for it. Also, a 3 year lockin can be pretty harsh mistake wise.

    I'm saying all this from BEFORE the VIP code fix and the no-transfer clause, when it was a sheer mad frenzy to just complete the order and not everyone does the right thing.

    Moving forward, I think it's going to be much better (relaxed) due to the way the sales work now.

    What you said is very correct, I agree ,But since there is no solution that can effectively solve the problem of scalpers, banning push is the only solution for the time being

  • @Svalbard said:

    @nullnothere said:

    @Svalbard said: Flash sales are for users who need to use the same configuration and location to own and use it at a lower price.

    Mistakes have happened, wrong products are selected, locations may be different. Sometimes it's all right to "pay" for your error. Sometimes it's good to be able to give it away to someone who has a better use case for it. Also, a 3 year lockin can be pretty harsh mistake wise.

    I'm saying all this from BEFORE the VIP code fix and the no-transfer clause, when it was a sheer mad frenzy to just complete the order and not everyone does the right thing.

    Moving forward, I think it's going to be much better (relaxed) due to the way the sales work now.

    What you said is very correct, I agree ,But since there is no solution that can effectively solve the problem of scalpers, banning push is the only solution for the time being

    Transferring for free is a positive aspect, too. I appreciate netcup and Cloudcone's free transfer codes.

  • @NaughtyWombat said:

    @Svalbard said:

    @nullnothere said:

    @Svalbard said: Flash sales are for users who need to use the same configuration and location to own and use it at a lower price.

    Mistakes have happened, wrong products are selected, locations may be different. Sometimes it's all right to "pay" for your error. Sometimes it's good to be able to give it away to someone who has a better use case for it. Also, a 3 year lockin can be pretty harsh mistake wise.

    I'm saying all this from BEFORE the VIP code fix and the no-transfer clause, when it was a sheer mad frenzy to just complete the order and not everyone does the right thing.

    Moving forward, I think it's going to be much better (relaxed) due to the way the sales work now.

    What you said is very correct, I agree ,But since there is no solution that can effectively solve the problem of scalpers, banning push is the only solution for the time being

    Transferring for free is a positive aspect, too. I appreciate netcup and Cloudcone's free transfer codes.

    Rats will run rampant on the streets 🐀

    Thanked by 1nullnothere
  • In all markets, items with high additional value, such as discounted goods, will always command high prices. This is unavoidable, even for a T-shirt with famous signatures.

    Thanked by 2Svalbard FAT32
  • @NaughtyWombat said: I appreciate netcup

    Netcup's is fully automated. That works well since there's no human cost involved.

    Plus their cancellation and contracts (as well as account verification) are a big barrier in general to scalping (I think).

    Here if you made the transfer automatic, it would be a nightmare with accounts popping up purely to just setup a "ring" of transfers coupled with the rather long contract time (e.g. 3 year or even 2 years).

    I wonder if the MJJs (and associated transfer problems) are mainly focussed on China friendly regions (Japan/HK/Singapore/LA and maybe Vietnam) and the other regions are not so problematic transfer wise?

    It'll be interesting to get some data points on the transfer scenario to understand it better and come up with a solution (just like the VIP coupon which seems to have had good impact).

  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2025

    Please don't let them see me

    Sure there's nothing left to try

    I can feel the lighttt shineee on my faceeeeee

    DID I DISAPPOINT YOUUUU

  • But I do see what Fat has done, and I appreciate it. Otherwise, I definitely cannot beat bots, which has been verified many times recently.

  • cybertechcybertech Member
    edited February 2025

    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales (and cry silently).

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
    edited February 2025

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A great article).

  • @cybertech said:

    finally waited till this day

    > Geekbench 4 Benchmark Test:
    > ---------------------------------
    > Test            | Value
    >                 |
    > Single Core     | 10429
    > 

    GB4-10K club!

    Wow!

  • @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    This is good, as I have duplicate services in the USA but do not need them all.

  • @NaughtyWombat said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    This is good, as I have duplicate services in the USA but do not need them all.

    Wait so you have duplicate USA flash sale services? :lol: :joy:

  • @NaughtyWombat said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    This is good, as I have duplicate services in the USA but do not need them all.

    It assists in reducing idling...

    Thanked by 2cainyxues FAT32
  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    @FAT32 said: the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero

    this is the tax department, open up

  • @cainyxues said:

    @NaughtyWombat said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    This is good, as I have duplicate services in the USA but do not need them all.

    Wait so you have duplicate USA flash sale services? :lol: :joy:

    I got 50%off IL 66 in the past , now, I got LA, LA is much better.

    Thanked by 2Smigit cainyxues
  • @NaughtyWombat said:

    @cainyxues said:

    @NaughtyWombat said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    This is good, as I have duplicate services in the USA but do not need them all.

    Wait so you have duplicate USA flash sale services? :lol: :joy:

    I got 50%off IL 66 in the past , now, I got LA, LA is much better.

    Ah, okay :+1:

  • @cainyxues said:

    @NaughtyWombat said:

    @cainyxues said:

    @NaughtyWombat said:

    @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    This is good, as I have duplicate services in the USA but do not need them all.

    Wait so you have duplicate USA flash sale services? :lol: :joy:

    I got 50%off IL 66 in the past , now, I got LA, LA is much better.

    Ah, okay :+1:

    Only you have apples in your pocket; you can patiently choose which apple is better.

    Thanked by 1cainyxues
  • @FAT32 said:

    @cybertech said:
    i think having the right balance to transfer / non transfer helps to incentivize us on future sales as well as continuously hunt for newer, faster deals.

    now im at the greatest number of services ever from GCVPS, if it is a blanket restriction then i will unfortunately be tied for the next 2-3 years offering only moral support in future sales.

    i do agree killing off scalping is a more pertinent issue at hand though.

    What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far, and the optimal amount of fraud is non-zero (A nice article).

    i honestly think the script seems like a great mitigation so far. have not put much thought into refund for other deals, but having $10 per transfer is also continuous revenue for gcvps. if this is automated like what HH did, its kind of a win win i believe.

  • @FAT32 said: What if an alternative is allow refund to store credit (of the remaining values) for flashy non-transferable deals, up to 1 per month or some sorts?

    That would definitely work (quite nicely) since many of the people who transfer are doing it more because of double/better products rather than scalping (like what @cybertech said - there's always a better deal round the corner if you can get it).

    Anyway I do think scalper issue has largely been resolved with all the measures that we have so far

    Absolutely which is why I think the sales are a lot more relaxed (the <75% discount ones that is - I think the > 80% discount are crazy as usual if not harder since the elite group is now competing amongst itself).

    I wonder if @NDTN can share some insights into the campaign and how things have panned out (if not now maybe after the sales are over). It's definitely been one of the heavily visited threads and you can feel the slowdown when the deals hit or are about to hit

    Thanked by 3FAT32 admax Blembim
  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad

    oh my chibisafe even have built in url shorten
    lag.st/l/cok

  • beanman109beanman109 Member, Host Rep, Megathread Squad
  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    @nullnothere said: I wonder if NDTN can share some insights into the campaign and how things have panned out (if not now maybe after the sales are over). It's definitely been one of the heavily visited threads and you can feel the slowdown when the deals hit or are about to hit

    I will be honest I feel a little bit bad for them. I encouraged them to do checkpoint deals for 200K, 300K, ... views which ultimately have backfired a little bit. The expenses / opportunity costs for this event is easily ~$10K from my observation.

  • cybertechcybertech Member
    edited February 2025

    regardless of the final decision, i will still be grateful and contented and be a proud green camper

  • @FAT32 said:

    @nullnothere said: I wonder if NDTN can share some insights into the campaign and how things have panned out (if not now maybe after the sales are over). It's definitely been one of the heavily visited threads and you can feel the slowdown when the deals hit or are about to hit

    I will be honest I feel a little bit bad for them. I encouraged them to do checkpoint deals for 200K, 300K, ... views which ultimately have backfired a little bit. The expenses / opportunity costs for this event is easily ~$10K from my observation.

    the biggest 2-2k snatches were from that epyc vds for sure :sweat_smile:

    Thanked by 2FAT32 JohnnySac
  • bvgfao40723bvgfao40723 Member
    edited February 2025

    @NaughtyWombat said:
    In all markets, items with high additional value, such as discounted goods, will always command high prices. This is unavoidable, even for a T-shirt with famous signatures.

    You've found the point, if you want to eliminate scalpers, maybe offer an unlimited supply of goods, like ClawCloud does.

    @FAT32 @NDTN

    Thanked by 1cainyxues
  • cainyxuescainyxues Member
    edited February 2025

    big working small no working :smile: fk you :lol:

    Thanked by 2FAT32 Blembim
  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire
    edited February 2025

    LOL it reminds me of some Facebook trend in the past. Facebook used to auto redirect any not found profile URL to your own so people creating some random URLs like https://facebook.com/profile/most-handsome which redirects to the profile of the person who clicked on the link.

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