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Latency increase 50% higher from South East Asia to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Nuremberg, Vienna
Hello folks,
Has anyone noticed,
This issue happening the last two months already. I thought it was just temporary Routing Policy.
From most of Europe Region diverting the routes policy to US Mainland and going out via Los Angeles reaching out Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia.
Affected: COGENT, HE, half NTT.
Just curious for an answer since Datapacket CDN77 and GlobalSecureLayer in Singapore also got this issue.
Thanks
Comments
https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/systems/asia-australia/smw3/smw3-retire
Oh well ... Guess that the answer
) thanks a lot Bro
AAE-1 broke, I think they only use AAE-1 for everything. Other cables are working fine, your best bet is to find another upstream?
My RootServers and VPSs are in complete lags
All the VPSes in Germany now could be detected, which one using premium cables to South East Asia
CDN77 should not have issue to germany unless that CDN77 does not have peering with that particular network which does happen. I just tried CDN77 looking glass and they seem to have a lot of packet drops to NA now. In fact, a lot of upstreams are suffering packet drops on NA now.
Which specific germany network are you trying to peer with? Telstra seem to have relative good peering with Germany but don't take my words for it, I didn't simple ping test all of the networks there. @serverpoint is running purely on Telstra now. Do kindly note that Telstra lack peering with NTT in japan, PLDT in philippine, HKT in hong kong and all Malaysia ISPs. So latency to consumers under those networks gonna be very bad. I didn't test Cambodia and South Korea.
@oneasiahost is using SG.GS which have insane amount of peering so it might cover your germany needs but it lack looking glass for any test so use at your own risk.
@yxvm is the most premium network I know currently. Their overall latency seems really good. I just checked, it seems they also suffering packet losses, that's sad.
All in all, I think SG.GS and Telstra might be the only networks I know is good enough for germany.
Yes, we've noticed a lot of major routing changes across our 6 data centers in the last few months... many of them due to accidental fiber cuts, geopolitical factors...
But even though SMW3 was retired, there are some newer lines that have replaced parts of it, but not as lengthy or as interconnected as SMW3.
Unfortunately for Asia, LA is still one of the most Internet interconnected places, but it's too far. South East Asia still lacks a well interconnected building such as the One Wilshire building in downtown LA (we used to have a data center there).
But don't quote me on that as I don't know every peering exchange in SEA...
For Europe though, it is well interconnected; Amsterdam is still the most interconnected place there with AMX-IX and London with the LINX Internet exchange. We have been considering connecting to AMX-IX there from our Amsterdam data center location.
As the old saying goes: "the internet is held together with glue and bubble gum"
AAE-1 is down since January my friend. SMW-5 is up, but capacity is limited. limited capacity = $$$$$$
case closed
wait I forgot GSL have new capacity between EU<>APAC via Muscat Oman.
182ms amsterdam <> singapore
might want to check which VPS providers in EU are under GSL.
CDN77 in Singapore to Europe/Germany is currently using Arelion, at about -160ms latency. OVH seems to be using Telstra with about the same latency.
Yup indeed, from what I see on their customer portal network traffic map too, the usual/older Singapore -> Marseille is offline, and seems to be replaced with the new cable going from
Singapore <--> Muscat, Oman <--> Marseille, France
We use GSL in Amsterdam and it works pretty well so far, hope to use them at other sites soon too.
I've been seeing EU-APAC via US for a while now.
If OP really need great coverage in EU, maybe can try to find Sparkle aka Seabone but their APAC coverage is meh. For APAC, Lumen aka Level 3 has great coverage in APAC to NA, their coverage is actually better than Telstra, NTT etc.
I can only say I have never seen any provider on blend of Lumen and Seabone so good luck finding them.
AAE-1 did broke at UAE and Oman is just before UAE so it make sense.
Things are still unaffected for us, thus far. SG.GS is holding it down very well for us all across EU hubs (Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris, London, etc) with latency in the 150-160ms range depending on the city in EU, to our network in Johor, MY (passing through SG).
We will be fine-tuning things as time goes on if needed, to make sure traffic stays on unaffected routes.
Zenlayer will also be added to our blend shortly to give us some additional redundancy and more routing options.
Hopefully, this situation won't take a turn for the worse. The last major EU-APAC fiber cut in early to mid 2024 affected a lot of networks badly and EU-APAC latency was above the 300ms mark for a looong time on many of the large carriers.
Yepp. Currently not as bad as last year. At least for today.
By Feb 17, 2025 the issue seems successfully dismissed. All going back to 150-160ms from Singapore. I am glad I could learning a lot of things by placing my servers under EU region
it fluctuates from time to time.
Any news or rumors when TEA NEXT will be fully operational ?
hoping 100ms Singapore Frankfurt