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Any recommendations for a good mail server system?

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  • Petey_LongPetey_Long Barred
    edited December 2024

    @itachikonoha said:

    @Petey_Long said:
    Zoho blows ass. If you ever have any issues (which you will) dealing with support is horrendous. Self-hosting is more effort than it's worth. Just snag an account at MXRoute and call it a day. Best money you'll spend all year.

    Issues like?

    Dealing with support who's obviously not technical by any means of the imagination. It's like they hired people who happened to be walking in front of their offices when their skilled workers ran for the exits.

    I spent 2 months with Zoho and I'd go without email before I used Zoho ever again.

  • @Petey_Long said:

    @itachikonoha said:

    @Petey_Long said:
    Zoho blows ass. If you ever have any issues (which you will) dealing with support is horrendous. Self-hosting is more effort than it's worth. Just snag an account at MXRoute and call it a day. Best money you'll spend all year.

    Issues like?

    Dealing with support who's obviously not technical by any means of the imagination. It's like they hired people who happened to be walking in front of their offices when their skilled workers ran for the exits.

    I spent 2 months with Zoho and I'd go without email before I used Zoho ever again.

    I meant, to call support, one needs to have issues in the mail receiving or sending. So what type of issues you faced due to which you had to call support?

  • mailcow with mxroute smtp relay

  • @itachikonoha said:
    It's not difficult to setup a mail server.

    What difficult is gaining the reputation. You can do EVERYTHING right in setup yet your recipient might not get your mails because the giants have blocked you.

    I don't fully agree with you here. For Google I think it's actually mostly really following best practices like SPF/DKIM/... Microsoft might block you, but they have a well-known process to get yourself unblocked (usually within a day).

    What's more problematic is when someone blocks you with an unhelpful message and there is no obvious process on how to get unblocked.

    Not worth the effort and risk.

    But the risk of using a third-party email provider is that they might block legitimate emails (in a way they don't end up in "Spam" and don't show up anywhere for you) - and when you don't expect those emails you will probably never find out (or find out when it's too late). And the sender might not bother trying to figure out how to get unblocked when all they get is some cryptic error message. In that case it goes completely unnoticed and the email provider will not even count it as a false positive in their spam filtering (and thus will not see a need for improvement).

    Not worth the risk either.

    Thanked by 1dedipromo
  • These days i use smtp through directadmin from a shared hosting reseller acct.

    I've used mailinabox in the past which worked well.
    Keyhelp has also worked for me in the past to get mails to the inbox.

    Both solutions use dovecot and postfix as mentioned before.

    Another necessity is to be sure you can edit rdns records at your host. Some will do it through ticket if the option isn't available in the panel.

  • @Petey_Long said:

    @itachikonoha said:

    @Petey_Long said:
    Zoho blows ass. If you ever have any issues (which you will) dealing with support is horrendous. Self-hosting is more effort than it's worth. Just snag an account at MXRoute and call it a day. Best money you'll spend all year.

    Issues like?

    Dealing with support who's obviously not technical by any means of the imagination. It's like they hired people who happened to be walking in front of their offices when their skilled workers ran for the exits.

    I spent 2 months with Zoho and I'd go without email before I used Zoho ever again.

    Dealing with support is kind of a consequence of rather than an issue in itself, genuinely interested to know what problems you had they couldn't resolve.

    I used to use Zoho free tier with a single domain some years ago, still receive some mail on that, but switched to MXRoute for multiple newer domains. But never had any real issues with Zoho back then so curious how they are now given your response.

  • @cochon said:

    @Petey_Long said:

    @itachikonoha said:

    @Petey_Long said:
    Zoho blows ass. If you ever have any issues (which you will) dealing with support is horrendous. Self-hosting is more effort than it's worth. Just snag an account at MXRoute and call it a day. Best money you'll spend all year.

    Issues like?

    Dealing with support who's obviously not technical by any means of the imagination. It's like they hired people who happened to be walking in front of their offices when their skilled workers ran for the exits.

    I spent 2 months with Zoho and I'd go without email before I used Zoho ever again.

    Dealing with support is kind of a consequence of rather than an issue in itself, genuinely interested to know what problems you had they couldn't resolve.

    I used to use Zoho free tier with a single domain some years ago, still receive some mail on that, but switched to MXRoute for multiple newer domains. But never had any real issues with Zoho back then so curious how they are now given your response.

    That was the thing - it wasn't anything super technical (Initially it was trying to verify ownership of the domain) then it was mail not syncing, or when it eventually did, extremely slow syncing (30+ min), emails not being sent/received - things that usually can be remedied in a short period of time.

    When not being able to send/receive mails is your issue and you're 2+ weeks into a support ticket and 8 different support agents, it's frustrating. Even moreso when they closed the ticket as "resolved' and you have to re-open a ticket to tell them it absolutely wasn't resolved.

    I understand not being capable of speaking perfect and concise English as a non-native speaker but it was to the point where you're looking for Ashton Kutcher to pop up on your screen and tell you that you're being punk'd.

    Zoho isn't the worst (that spot is held by Ionos) but they're a solid 2nd place for companies I'd never even consider dealing with again.

    Thanked by 1cochon
  • https://poste.io/
    I have been using

  • @cmeerw said:

    >

    Microsoft might block you, but they have a well-known process to get yourself unblocked (usually within a day).

    What's the trick, sir? I've been struggling with delivery to outlook for quite some time..

  • @dedipromo said:

    @cmeerw said:

    >

    Microsoft might block you, but they have a well-known process to get yourself unblocked (usually within a day).

    What's the trick, sir? I've been struggling with delivery to outlook for quite some time..

    They have: https://sendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com/pm/troubleshooting - you'll want to sign up for JMRP and then you can contact support: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866 - the first reply you get might not be that helpful ("does not qualify for mitigation"), but if you explain it again, it usually gets sorted out (sometimes you will be asked for proof that a particular IP address has been assigned to you).

    Thanked by 1dedipromo
  • @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

  • @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

    Nice GIF College Boy

  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

    Nice GIF College Boy

    Ok MJJ

  • @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

    Nice GIF College Boy

    Ok MJJ

    i don´t speak nerd, what does "MJJ" means?

  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

    Nice GIF College Boy

    Ok MJJ

    i don´t speak nerd, what does "MJJ" means?

    Why are you asking me, it's you

  • @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @radex said:

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @jschroeder said:
    Postfix + Dovecot
    I've been running it on a 384MB VPS for years and have never had any problems

    Until you end up an open relay. So only go this route if you know what you're doing. And also be ready to handle blacklist removal, and setting up proper email authentication parameters like SPF, DKIM, rDNS, DMARC, etc.

    If you don't want all that hassle, better just go with an established email relay provider.

    It´s not rocket science.

    Nice GIF College Boy

    Ok MJJ

    i don´t speak nerd, what does "MJJ" means?

    Why are you asking me, it's you

    You write nerd stuff, you need to explain.

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